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Message 1992174 - Posted: 1 May 2019, 17:46:24 UTC - in response to Message 1991988.  
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By 'eck!

That is some very creative trying to shovel the blame elsewhere...

All a game now of obfuscation and muck spreading?

Sadly, (criminally?!) there looks to more of the same obfuscation from Boeing:


Boeing boss denies reports 737 Max safety systems weren't active

... The American planemaker's chief exec, Dennis Muilenberg, gave a press conference yesterday in which he insisted the controversial Maneuvering Characteristic Augmentation System (MCAS) was not to blame for the two fatal crashes of Boeing 737 Max airlines within the last few months. Those crashes killed everyone aboard both airliners.

Muilenburg told the world's media the MCAS met its "design and certification criteria" and, judging by various reports of his remarks, appeared to suggest that the pilots of the doomed aircraft may have been partly to blame...

... An accident report eventually issued by the Ethiopian authorities found the pilots of flight ET302 followed Boeing's recommended procedures and checklists, though it appeared that while the crew had cut out the electric automatic trim, the resulting manual backup situation left them physically unable to keep their 737 Max 8 from nosediving into the ground.

Separately, various American news outlets reported that Boeing had failed to tell airlines flying the 737 Max series that safety features those airlines had ordered on their new aircraft were not operational...



To me, that reads as completely damning.


Looks to me to be all too greedy and shoddy and lives be damned?...

There really does need to be personal responsibility taken for so recklessly risking the lives of so many for so long, needlessly, and for killing two planes full of people...


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Message 1992275 - Posted: 2 May 2019, 10:06:35 UTC

The ballot result showed just how angry Tube staff are at proposals London Underground are attempting to bulldoze through that would decimate the inspection and safety culture on the fleet. Despite that result Tube bosses have ignored the workforce and are pressing ahead and it is that intransigence that has left us no option but to confirm industrial action.
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Message 1992591 - Posted: 4 May 2019, 15:02:45 UTC

Follow up to my post 1990891 about the Boeing Dreamliner South Carolina Plant.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/business/boeing-charleston-plane-dreamliner.html
Boeing’s South Carolina Plant Subject to Increased Scrutiny
The Federal Aviation Administration has been increasing its scrutiny of Boeing’s plant near Charleston, S.C., where manufacturing errors have at times threatened to undermine safety.

Since September, the agency has investigated and confirmed three safety complaints made by employees who detailed problems with planes in the final stages of production, according to an F.A.A. official and an internal agency email. The regulator is also looking into a claim that an employee faced pressure to sign off on work related to the airworthiness of a jet during the last week of March.


If you want to fly in a Dreamliner;
Boeing now delivers all of Qatar’s airplanes out of its plant in Everett, Wash., the F.A.A. said.

“Boeing considers Qatar Airways to have higher than normal airline standards,” the agency noted in the memo.
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Message 1992750 - Posted: 5 May 2019, 23:27:20 UTC

Boeing did not disclose 737 MAX alert issue to FAA for 13 months
CHICAGO/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Boeing Co (BA.N) did not tell U.S. regulators for more than a year that it inadvertently made an alarm alerting pilots to a mismatch of flight data optional on the 737 MAX, instead of standard as on earlier 737s, but insisted on Sunday the missing display represented no safety risk.

The U.S. planemaker has been trying for weeks to dispel suggestions that it made airlines pay for safety features after it emerged that an alert designed to show discrepancies in Angle of Attack readings from two sensors was optional on the 737 MAX.

Erroneous data from a sensor responsible for measuring the angle at which the wing slices through the air - known as the Angle of Attack - is suspected of triggering a flawed piece of software that pushed the plane downward in two recent crashes.

In a statement, Boeing said it only discovered once deliveries of the 737 MAX had begun in 2017 that the so-called AOA Disagree alert was optional instead of standard as it had intended, but added that was not critical safety data.

A Federal Aviation Administration official told Reuters on Sunday that Boeing waited 13 months before informing the agency in November 2018.
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Message 1993044 - Posted: 8 May 2019, 0:15:07 UTC - in response to Message 1992750.  

Further detail on that is:

Boeing admits knowing of 737 Max problem

Boeing has admitted that it knew about a problem with its 737 Max jets a year before the aircraft was involved in two fatal accidents, but took no action...

... And the rest is all just pathetic excuses...


The first crash should never have happened. Let alone the second crash where the pilots were faithfully following Boeing's new instructions for an impossible situation...


Greed before lives?

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Message 1993106 - Posted: 8 May 2019, 13:28:03 UTC - in response to Message 1993044.  

Greed before lives?
Thread title answers that.
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Message 1993109 - Posted: 8 May 2019, 13:41:46 UTC - in response to Message 1993106.  

Greed before lives?
Thread title answers that.
Ask a Ford Pinto, Fiduciary duty, the only thing.
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Message 1993424 - Posted: 11 May 2019, 14:30:39 UTC - in response to Message 1993411.  

"Loadsamoney"

A drug for the common cold will be cheap, they can make it up on volume.
A drug that saves your life will be expensive, you are willing to pay for it.
Basic economic class.
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Message 1993864 - Posted: 15 May 2019, 14:22:07 UTC

Boeing vice-president Mike Sinnett told the pilots: "No one has yet to conclude that the sole cause of this was this function on the airplane."
Later in the meeting, he added: "The worst thing that can ever happen is a tragedy like this, and the even worse thing would be another one."
"These guys didn't even know the damn system was on the airplane, nor did anybody else," said Mike Michaelis, head of safety for the pilots' union.
Boeing feeling the "pain"
Boeing has been working on a software fix for its flight system and is hoping for quick approval from regulators.
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Message 1993879 - Posted: 15 May 2019, 17:14:39 UTC

I'm a capitalist. I own a quarter of Bahlsen, that's great. I want to buy a sailing yacht and stuff like that.
Another case of money talks, decency walks.
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Message 1993883 - Posted: 15 May 2019, 18:09:23 UTC - in response to Message 1993864.  
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Boeing vice-president Mike Sinnett told the pilots: "No one has yet to conclude that the sole cause of this was this function on the airplane."
Later in the meeting, he added: "The worst thing that can ever happen is a tragedy like this, and the even worse thing would be another one."
"These guys didn't even know the damn system was on the airplane, nor did anybody else," said Mike Michaelis, head of safety for the pilots' union.
Boeing feeling the "pain"
Boeing has been working on a software fix for its flight system and is hoping for quick approval from regulators.

To put that in perspective, that was from many months BEFORE the second completely preventable fail:


Ethiopian Airlines crash: 'Pitch up, pitch up!'

Details have begun to emerge of the final moments of an Ethiopian Airlines flight which crashed three weeks ago.

An anti-stalling system on the plane, a Boeing 737 Max, has been blamed for the disaster which killed all 157 people on board.

Soon after take-off - and just 450ft (137m) above the ground - the aircraft's nose began to pitch down.

One pilot, according to the Wall Street Journal, said to the other "pitch up, pitch up!" before their radio died.

The plane crashed only six minutes into its flight...



Get out of that?... Really?...

The policy of greed and others' lives count for nothing?

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Message 1993884 - Posted: 15 May 2019, 18:15:55 UTC - in response to Message 1993883.  

Later in the meeting, he added: "The worst thing that can ever happen is a tragedy like this, and the even worse thing would be another one."
To put that in perspective, from the many months BEFORE the second completely preventable fail
Indicative of a major cockup & rather than amend issues, cover them up?
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Message 1993885 - Posted: 15 May 2019, 18:31:40 UTC - in response to Message 1993884.  
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Later in the meeting, he added: "The worst thing that can ever happen is a tragedy like this, and the even worse thing would be another one."
To put that in perspective, [that was] from the many months BEFORE the second completely preventable fail
Indicative of a major cockup & rather than amend issues, cover them up?

Worse than that, from my reading of their ongoing response, is that worse still, Boeing look to be playing a 'game' of obfuscate, spread the blame, claim anything and everything to try to somehow 'dilute' their own responsibilities and consequences to somehow try to 'escape' their what I can only see as deliberate malfeasance...

The FAA needs to be brought down to earth with them for their complicity...


From what I see, there is no safety culture there.

Is this the Boeing equivalent of the Deepwater Horizon disaster? Similar deadly rushed greed played out there...


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Message 1993889 - Posted: 15 May 2019, 19:00:01 UTC - in response to Message 1993885.  

From what I see, there is no safety culture there.
Now why is that eerily familiar?
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Message 1993974 - Posted: 16 May 2019, 21:38:07 UTC

Boeing completes 737 Max software upgrade

Form an orderly line to collect boarding cards for the test flight...
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Message 1994026 - Posted: 17 May 2019, 16:16:31 UTC - in response to Message 1993974.  

Boeing completes 737 Max software upgrade

Form an orderly line to collect boarding cards for the test flight...

Here's a very good clear reminder of what went wrong and the consequences:


What went wrong inside Boeing's cockpit?

There was nothing more the pilots could have done...


How can we trust that the same 'financial short cuts' pushed and rushed at the cost of safety and real lives are still not in play?...

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Message 1994029 - Posted: 17 May 2019, 16:18:55 UTC - in response to Message 1994026.  

Oops, see previous post. :-)
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Message 1994031 - Posted: 17 May 2019, 16:22:11 UTC - in response to Message 1994029.  

Oops, see previous post. :-)

And a confusion of titles :-P
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