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Message 1991287 - Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 13:38:49 UTC - in response to Message 1991283.  

Ah, the poor little darlings, moaning...
...about a 9% drop in revenues

Shareholders insist on an extra dime every month. Do you think the workforce is ready for a 9% cut in pay? Will the landlords take a 9% cut in rent? Will the electric company take a 9% cut in rates? Will Rump take a 9% cut in tariffs?
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Message 1991292 - Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 14:03:34 UTC - in response to Message 1991287.  

Ah, the poor little darlings, moaning...
...about a 9% drop in revenues

Shareholders insist on an extra dime every month. Do you think the workforce is ready for a 9% cut in pay? Will the landlords take a 9% cut in rent? Will the electric company take a 9% cut in rates? Will Rump take a 9% cut in tariffs?
Continuing with stupidity & it will continue to drop.
At the same time, Boeing said it was eliminating about a hundred quality control positions in North Charleston.
I bet the relatives of those Landlords/Electric Company personnel/Trump would scare up a massive lawsuit should they be on a plane that went down to poor workmanship/lack of quality control.
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Message 1991294 - Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 14:21:02 UTC - in response to Message 1991292.  

Ah, the poor little darlings, moaning...
...about a 9% drop in revenues

Shareholders insist on an extra dime every month. Do you think the workforce is ready for a 9% cut in pay? Will the landlords take a 9% cut in rent? Will the electric company take a 9% cut in rates? Will Rump take a 9% cut in tariffs?
Continuing with stupidity & it will continue to drop.
At the same time, Boeing said it was eliminating about a hundred quality control positions in North Charleston.
I bet the relatives of those Landlords/Electric Company personnel/Trump would scare up a massive lawsuit should they be on a plane that went down to poor workmanship/lack of quality control.

And all the time buying back $24 billion in its stock during the past three years — nearly three-quarters of the company’s free cash flow over that period, but has now had to pause plans to buy back a further $18 billion in stock.
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Message 1991296 - Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 14:30:11 UTC - in response to Message 1991294.  

And all the time buying back $24 billion in its stock during the past three years — nearly three-quarters of the company’s free cash flow over that period, but has now had to pause plans to buy back a further $18 billion in stock.
Probably because the pending lawsuits is going to eat up a fair chunk of the remaining cash, leaving very little for their shareholders to feast on. :-)
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Message 1991303 - Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 15:17:52 UTC - in response to Message 1991296.  

And all the time buying back $24 billion in its stock during the past three years — nearly three-quarters of the company’s free cash flow over that period, but has now had to pause plans to buy back a further $18 billion in stock.
Probably because the pending lawsuits is going to eat up a fair chunk of the remaining cash, leaving very little for their shareholders to feast on. :-)

And who be those shareholders? 401(k) pension plans that are required to invest in ETF's that have Boeing as a component of their index. So that be the little guy who get screwed as per usual.
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Message 1991305 - Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 15:23:37 UTC - in response to Message 1991303.  

And who be those shareholders? 401(k) pension plans that are required to invest in ETF's that have Boeing as a component of their index. So that be the little guy who get screwed as per usual.
Yep, with an extra benefit, the possibility of getting killed in a plane by said company. Ah well, it is fiduciary duty after all.
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Message 1991978 - Posted: 30 Apr 2019, 8:53:57 UTC

Boeing says pilot alert on 737 Max was ‘not activated as intended’ on all planes
Boeing Co. acknowledged that a cockpit alert notifying pilots of a sensor malfunction linked to two fatal accidents wasn’t working as represented on every 737 Max.

The plane maker said it didn’t deactivate a warning that was supposed to show conflicting readings between two angle-of-attack vanes. But the alert functioned only on jets that had a separate indicator display — available for a fee — with readings from the sensors, Boeing said in a statement Monday.’

“The disagree alert was intended to be a standard, stand-alone feature on Max airplanes,” the company said. “However, the disagree alert was not operable on all airplanes because the feature was not activated as intended.”

The disclosure adds a new mystery about the design of Boeing’s bestselling jet, which has been grounded since shortly after an Ethiopian Airlines 737 Max 8 crashed March 10 — the second deadly Max disaster in five months. Boeing is working to convince airlines and regulators that the Max will be safe once an update is installed to software that played a role in both accidents after being activated by erroneous data from a single sensor.
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Message 1991988 - Posted: 30 Apr 2019, 11:07:04 UTC - in response to Message 1991978.  

By 'eck!

That is some very creative trying to shovel the blame elsewhere...

All a game now of obfuscation and muck spreading?


So... That pathetic excuse and blame game now gets even more serious in that, really, a critical safety feature was not tested for on the production planes?

How many other flight features are similarly not tested??!


Looks to me to be all too greedy and shoddy and lives be damned?...

There really does need to be personal responsibility taken for so recklessly risking the lives of so many for so long, needlessly, and for killing two planes full of people...

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Message 1992008 - Posted: 30 Apr 2019, 16:39:34 UTC - in response to Message 1991988.  

How many other flight features are similarly not tested??!
100% from 100% of manufacturers. Ever heard the words "used" and "new"? Like buying a "new"car. A car dealer is supposed to check that the factory put oil in the engine, doesn't always happen. There isn't a dealer that does "dealer prep" on a new airplane. Airline sends pilot to pick up the plane from the factory, he better check it or it will enter service no matter the number of flaws. (Smart profitable airlines fly the plane from the factory to their maintenance shop to be give a through going over before they enter revenue service.)

Or Martin, was it, the tech at the factory loaded the wrong software? You would think it might display it's version number every time it is powered on. Who didn't catch this mismatch then? The factory? The Airline when they picked the plane up? The pilots every time they flew the plane?

These things are always the result of a chain of failures. At every link in the chain it could be stopped. To err is human.
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Message 1992162 - Posted: 1 May 2019, 17:00:35 UTC

FAA mandates changes to Boeing 787 Dreamliner
SEATTLE (Reuters) - The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration on Wednesday said it was mandating new flight control software and parts to Boeing Co’s 787 Dreamliner to address what it called an unsafe operating condition of certain products on the plane.

The FAA’s new airworthiness directive was prompted by a finding that certain areas in the 787’s tire and wheel “threat zones” could be susceptible to damage, resulting in the loss of braking and steering power on the ground at certain speeds.

The FAA said it requires installing hydraulic tubing, a pressure-operated check valve, and new flight control software.

Boeing did not immediately return requests for comment.
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Message 1992174 - Posted: 1 May 2019, 17:46:24 UTC - in response to Message 1991988.  
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By 'eck!

That is some very creative trying to shovel the blame elsewhere...

All a game now of obfuscation and muck spreading?

Sadly, (criminally?!) there looks to more of the same obfuscation from Boeing:


Boeing boss denies reports 737 Max safety systems weren't active

... The American planemaker's chief exec, Dennis Muilenberg, gave a press conference yesterday in which he insisted the controversial Maneuvering Characteristic Augmentation System (MCAS) was not to blame for the two fatal crashes of Boeing 737 Max airlines within the last few months. Those crashes killed everyone aboard both airliners.

Muilenburg told the world's media the MCAS met its "design and certification criteria" and, judging by various reports of his remarks, appeared to suggest that the pilots of the doomed aircraft may have been partly to blame...

... An accident report eventually issued by the Ethiopian authorities found the pilots of flight ET302 followed Boeing's recommended procedures and checklists, though it appeared that while the crew had cut out the electric automatic trim, the resulting manual backup situation left them physically unable to keep their 737 Max 8 from nosediving into the ground.

Separately, various American news outlets reported that Boeing had failed to tell airlines flying the 737 Max series that safety features those airlines had ordered on their new aircraft were not operational...



To me, that reads as completely damning.


Looks to me to be all too greedy and shoddy and lives be damned?...

There really does need to be personal responsibility taken for so recklessly risking the lives of so many for so long, needlessly, and for killing two planes full of people...


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Message 1992275 - Posted: 2 May 2019, 10:06:35 UTC

The ballot result showed just how angry Tube staff are at proposals London Underground are attempting to bulldoze through that would decimate the inspection and safety culture on the fleet. Despite that result Tube bosses have ignored the workforce and are pressing ahead and it is that intransigence that has left us no option but to confirm industrial action.
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Message 1992591 - Posted: 4 May 2019, 15:02:45 UTC

Follow up to my post 1990891 about the Boeing Dreamliner South Carolina Plant.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/business/boeing-charleston-plane-dreamliner.html
Boeing’s South Carolina Plant Subject to Increased Scrutiny
The Federal Aviation Administration has been increasing its scrutiny of Boeing’s plant near Charleston, S.C., where manufacturing errors have at times threatened to undermine safety.

Since September, the agency has investigated and confirmed three safety complaints made by employees who detailed problems with planes in the final stages of production, according to an F.A.A. official and an internal agency email. The regulator is also looking into a claim that an employee faced pressure to sign off on work related to the airworthiness of a jet during the last week of March.


If you want to fly in a Dreamliner;
Boeing now delivers all of Qatar’s airplanes out of its plant in Everett, Wash., the F.A.A. said.

“Boeing considers Qatar Airways to have higher than normal airline standards,” the agency noted in the memo.
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Message 1992750 - Posted: 5 May 2019, 23:27:20 UTC

Boeing did not disclose 737 MAX alert issue to FAA for 13 months
CHICAGO/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Boeing Co (BA.N) did not tell U.S. regulators for more than a year that it inadvertently made an alarm alerting pilots to a mismatch of flight data optional on the 737 MAX, instead of standard as on earlier 737s, but insisted on Sunday the missing display represented no safety risk.

The U.S. planemaker has been trying for weeks to dispel suggestions that it made airlines pay for safety features after it emerged that an alert designed to show discrepancies in Angle of Attack readings from two sensors was optional on the 737 MAX.

Erroneous data from a sensor responsible for measuring the angle at which the wing slices through the air - known as the Angle of Attack - is suspected of triggering a flawed piece of software that pushed the plane downward in two recent crashes.

In a statement, Boeing said it only discovered once deliveries of the 737 MAX had begun in 2017 that the so-called AOA Disagree alert was optional instead of standard as it had intended, but added that was not critical safety data.

A Federal Aviation Administration official told Reuters on Sunday that Boeing waited 13 months before informing the agency in November 2018.
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Message 1993044 - Posted: 8 May 2019, 0:15:07 UTC - in response to Message 1992750.  

Further detail on that is:

Boeing admits knowing of 737 Max problem

Boeing has admitted that it knew about a problem with its 737 Max jets a year before the aircraft was involved in two fatal accidents, but took no action...

... And the rest is all just pathetic excuses...


The first crash should never have happened. Let alone the second crash where the pilots were faithfully following Boeing's new instructions for an impossible situation...


Greed before lives?

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Message 1993106 - Posted: 8 May 2019, 13:28:03 UTC - in response to Message 1993044.  

Greed before lives?
Thread title answers that.
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Message 1993109 - Posted: 8 May 2019, 13:41:46 UTC - in response to Message 1993106.  

Greed before lives?
Thread title answers that.
Ask a Ford Pinto, Fiduciary duty, the only thing.
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Message 1993424 - Posted: 11 May 2019, 14:30:39 UTC - in response to Message 1993411.  

"Loadsamoney"

A drug for the common cold will be cheap, they can make it up on volume.
A drug that saves your life will be expensive, you are willing to pay for it.
Basic economic class.
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Message 1993864 - Posted: 15 May 2019, 14:22:07 UTC

Boeing vice-president Mike Sinnett told the pilots: "No one has yet to conclude that the sole cause of this was this function on the airplane."
Later in the meeting, he added: "The worst thing that can ever happen is a tragedy like this, and the even worse thing would be another one."
"These guys didn't even know the damn system was on the airplane, nor did anybody else," said Mike Michaelis, head of safety for the pilots' union.
Boeing feeling the "pain"
Boeing has been working on a software fix for its flight system and is hoping for quick approval from regulators.
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