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Message 1980009 - Posted: 12 Feb 2019, 5:34:09 UTC
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Somebody give her a pillow
60yrs old should be the limit on those people too, not just pollies.

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Goin' to the Prison and you're gonna serve time
Goin' to the Prison of cops
Apologies to the Shirelles
Yep, another area where an age limit is necessary.

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Message 1980380 - Posted: 14 Feb 2019, 22:06:04 UTC

3 innocent dead because of false intelligence?

Original report implied that the occupants of the vehicle were involved in an aggravated burglary.
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Message 1980555 - Posted: 15 Feb 2019, 19:11:10 UTC

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Message 1980932 - Posted: 17 Feb 2019, 23:15:58 UTC

Typical ordinary police
Gonzalez, the commanding officer at the 72nd Precinct station, told officers to shoot 50 Cent "on sight."
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Message 1980989 - Posted: 18 Feb 2019, 12:35:46 UTC

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Message 1980991 - Posted: 18 Feb 2019, 13:09:28 UTC
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Mathematicians take on why there is a constant 1,000 police killings every year in the US.
Four years in a row, police nationwide fatally shoot nearly 1,000 people

The conclusions,

A. The number of firearms needs to decrease, because, with the present numbers, have to expect they could be in danger when approaching a house or car.
High gun-ownership states, such as Alaska, Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky and Louisiana, had 3.6 times more fatal police shootings than the low gun-ownership states, such as Connecticut, Hawaii and Massachusetts, the study found.

Some criminologists cite gun ownership, pointing out that in developed countries where guns are banned, police seldom shoot and kill people.
In England and Wales, with a combined population of about 70 million, police fatally shot six people in 2016, the most since 2004, according to an annual report from the Independent Office for Police Conduct in England.


B. More Police training. Two cities New York and Washington DC have reduced police killings
Some cities seem to defy the formula. The District, for example, ranks in the top half of America’s most dangerous cities out of the nation’s 50 largest. In 2017, D.C. police seized more than 2,000 illegal guns. Yet, police in the District shot and killed only two people in 2017.
That is a dramatic decline from the 1990s, when a Post investigation showed that the District led the nation in fatal police shootings per capita. In that decade, police shootings in the city peaked at 15. The series prompted Justice Department intervention and an extensive retraining of officers. A steep and immediate drop in fatal shootings ensued.

Wexler said New York City shows how training can reduce fatal police shootings.
In 1971, the city had 314 officer-involved shootings, 93 of which were fatal, he noted.
The next year the city passed a law prohibiting officers from shooting into vehicles, a practice still permitted by many police departments.
Within two years the city reduced police shootings to 121, with 41 fatal. By 2015, after a period when crime dropped enormously, the number had fallen to 23 people shot by police with eight killed. No New York City police officers have been seriously hurt by someone in a car in the 46 years since the ban in shooting into vehicles took effect, he said.
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Message 1981002 - Posted: 18 Feb 2019, 14:56:52 UTC - in response to Message 1980991.  

Mathematicians take on why there is a constant 1,000 police killings every year in the US.
Maybe they're paid a bounty on the first thousand?

That's not as silly a joke as it sounds. Here in the UK, police are traditionally unarmed, and used to patrol a local area on foot. Those two features made them approachable, and they made a point of talking to people and learning what was going on.

Then modern business school theories started to creep in. They require statistics, things you can measure. And the easiest part of a police officer's personal work to measure is their arrest rate. And making an arrest requires that a crime has been committed (or at least suspected) beforehand.

The police started patrolling in motor cars, so that they could respond more quickly to reports of crimes, and hopefully arrive in time to make that all-important arrest. Crime rose, but eventually started falling again - which was convenient for the business school theorists, because they could green-light the budget cuts required by the bankers' malfeasance (although very few bankers were arrested).

Police numbers were cut, and there were none spare to go back out on the street and listen to what people told them. Now, we're in the "crime is going up again" stage of the cycle.

Personally, I would prefer that the business school wallahs would devise a measurable statistic for crimes prevented without arrest.
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Message 1981030 - Posted: 18 Feb 2019, 18:50:52 UTC - in response to Message 1981002.  

Not only Britain. Sweden as well...
btw. Do you still call a police on the beat a "bobby"?
Perhaps not.
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Message 1981032 - Posted: 18 Feb 2019, 19:10:42 UTC - in response to Message 1981030.  

Nowadays, we call a bobby on the beat a PCSO (Police Community Support Officer), or plastic policeman - they don't have the full powers of the Office of Constable.

And they're being phased out too.
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Message 1981042 - Posted: 18 Feb 2019, 20:49:06 UTC - in response to Message 1981032.  

Plastic policeman. That's a real funny name:)
But apparantly they look like this.
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Message 1981043 - Posted: 18 Feb 2019, 21:00:33 UTC - in response to Message 1981042.  

They had an original nickname as well - Blunkett's bobbies
Totally useless.
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Message 1981046 - Posted: 18 Feb 2019, 21:24:45 UTC - in response to Message 1981043.  

They had an original nickname as well - Blunkett's bobbies
Totally useless.
Lol:)
And "PCSOs are trained in first aid and must be fit enough to walk the streets but do not have to pass any fitness tests."
I'm also fit enough to walk the streets and also trained in first aid.
Perhaps you want some more from the police roaming the streets.
But I haven't seen a police officer walk the street for decades in Stockholm!
Oh one actually. He was the head of the Police Union and walking from the police station to a coffe shop just across the road:)
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Message 1981537 - Posted: 21 Feb 2019, 18:14:07 UTC

ERA Activist Jailed Without Bond for Exposing Breast in Virginia


Enactment by Michelle Renay Sutherland, 45


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Message 1981550 - Posted: 21 Feb 2019, 19:15:44 UTC - in response to Message 1981537.  

Follow up,
BREAKING: Chief Judge Lawrence B. Cann III, who initially held Michelle Renay Sutherland without bail, agreed to release her Thursday morning on a $1,500 personal recognizance bond, said her lawyer, David Baugh. Sutherland will not have to put up that amount of money, but would have to pay it if she did not show up for her court date in March, Baugh told Washington Post reporter Laura Vozzella in a phone interview.

In court on Thursday, the lawyer said, Cann explained that when he initially held Sutherland without bail, he did not understand that the indecent exposure charge stemmed from a political protest. “He explained that when he saw the warrant, the only thing was that she had made an indecent display of her body," Baugh said. "‘I had no idea of the backstory. I had no idea of the context,’” he quoted the judge saying.

“She’s obviously not a flasher,” Baugh said. “It was a protest about the state seal and the ERA and none of that was reported on the warrant.”

The hearing took place at 9 a.m. Sutherland was still in custody more than two hours later, when Baugh spoke to The Washington Post.

“She has to be transported [from the courthouse] by van back to the jail, and they wait until they get a bunch of prisoners,” he said.
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Message 1982109 - Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 9:24:35 UTC

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Message 1983361 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 11:15:49 UTC

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Message 1983952 - Posted: 7 Mar 2019, 20:56:28 UTC

Just came across an interesting video that raises a very important question.
Have LEA's become too top heavy with bureaucracies building ivory towers for themselves?

Nova: The Spy Factory

IMHO, the answer to the question raised is:
YES!
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Message 1983955 - Posted: 7 Mar 2019, 21:25:11 UTC - in response to Message 1983952.  
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Just a question.
What have NSA, GCHQ and FRA in common?
LOL:)
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Message 1983956 - Posted: 7 Mar 2019, 21:32:59 UTC - in response to Message 1983955.  

Echelon.
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Message 1983969 - Posted: 7 Mar 2019, 22:37:45 UTC - in response to Message 1983956.  

Yes.
A surveillance program aka Five Eyes.
Actually already six eyes and now perhaps even more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
The ECHELON program was created in the late 1960s to monitor the military and diplomatic communications of the Soviet Union and its Eastern Bloc allies during the Cold War, and it was formally established in 1971.[5][6]
By the end of the 20th century, the system referred to as "ECHELON" had evolved beyond its military and diplomatic origins to also become "…a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications" (mass surveillance and industrial espionage).
It's been said that this mass surveillance is only for a nations protection and that the information is not shared with domestic law enforcements and cannot be used by the police and other officials.
Yeah, right. Who does really belive that?
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