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Message 1935619 - Posted: 14 May 2018, 9:44:19 UTC

One of my crunchers is fitted with a pair of GTX1070ti -
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A lower spec CPU than you are thinking about, running Windows and doing about 43k/day, say about 20k per GPU.
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Message 1935620 - Posted: 14 May 2018, 9:45:49 UTC - in response to Message 1935602.  
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I Envy you Ghia, with my laptop unless I stop Seti GPU my RAC goes in free fall, ATM I have set it to receive only AP work as
this computer crunches slowly, Hopefully soon I'll get a new rig..

I also have a laptop (mostly for emergency situations), but never even considered crunching with it. Much too slow.
As discussed, this really isn't a good time to build new rigs, with exorbitant prices on GPUs and RAM.
But I know the temptation well...I build new rigs in my head every day ;)
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Message 1935622 - Posted: 14 May 2018, 9:52:06 UTC - in response to Message 1935617.  
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Going for a 1080 or 1080Ti means basically an all new build.
A 1070Ti would produce more Seti-wise...not sure how much, though ?

Not a lot more, but a good boost, and use considerably less power to do it (only 150W max, your present card is rated at 250W). The GTX 1070 is the better option for performance v price. The output of the GTX 1070Ti isn't much more than the basic card, and the GTX 1070 still compares favorably against the GTX 1080.
However the GTX 1080Ti is in a league of it's own.

If your power supply is up to it, and you've got he the space in the case & the spare slot on the motherboard you could just run it with your existing card & get a huge boost in output.
And you could run a GTX 1080Ti with no problems (if your PSU has the spare connectors)- it has the same power rating as your present card, 250W.
Or wait for the 1100 series to be released. If Petrie's Titan V performance is anything to go by, the next generation of cards will have a significant performance boost for around the same power envelope.

Shaggie's graphs make for an interesting comparison.

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Message 1935625 - Posted: 14 May 2018, 10:02:26 UTC - in response to Message 1935617.  

An I9 X CPU with 10 cores would suit me and produce more.

The big problem with them is their price.
Clock for clock, they outperform AMD. However, for actual output for the price you pay, a Threadripper CPU kills the i9 CPUs. Half the price for the around same output. Unless you go for the extreme top of the range i9s, but their prices are even sillier.
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Message 1935626 - Posted: 14 May 2018, 10:55:46 UTC - in response to Message 1935625.  
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The big problem with them is their price.
Clock for clock, they outperform AMD. However, for actual output for the price you pay, a Threadripper CPU kills the i9 CPUs. Half the price for the around same output. Unless you go for the extreme top of the range i9s, but their prices are even sillier.

I fully aware of that, but am not keen on going with AMD. The one time I had an AMD-based rig,
I had little nags going on all the time. If it wasn't the card itself, it was the drivers/software.
I know times are different now, but the TR has had its problems also.
So will stick with Intel and NVIDIA, methinks. I know how to deal with those, like overclocking, drivers and so on.
But I certainly agree that Intel prices are ridiculous...
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Message 1935628 - Posted: 14 May 2018, 11:28:03 UTC - in response to Message 1935622.  

A 1070Ti would produce more
Not a lot more, but a good boost, and use considerably less power to do it (only 150W max, your present card is rated at 250W). The GTX 1070 is the better option for performance v price. The output of the GTX 1070Ti isn't much more than the basic card, and the GTX 1070 still compares favorably against the GTX 1080.
However the GTX 1080Ti is in a league of it's own.

If your power supply is up to it, and you've got he the space in the case & the spare slot on the motherboard you could just run it with your existing card & get a huge boost in output.
And you could run a GTX 1080Ti with no problems (if your PSU has the spare connectors)- it has the same power rating as your present card, 250W.
Or wait for the 1100 series to be released. If Petrie's Titan V performance is anything to go by, the next generation of cards will have a significant performance boost for around the same power envelope.

Shaggie's graphs make for an interesting comparison.

Oooo...that was interesting, Grant ! Tnx a'million !
I see my old 780Ti (Classified, no less) actually does well for its age.
And surprised by the fact that a 1070 is on par with the 1070 Ti :)
My power supply is a Corsair AX860 (platinum-rated), so should be able to deal with a 1070 beside the 780Ti ?
I have the slots and space...not sure about connectors, though.
If I can feed it, a 1070 in tandem with 780Ti looks like a very tempting option !
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Message 1935644 - Posted: 14 May 2018, 13:20:06 UTC - in response to Message 1935617.  


I have been playing with the thought of simply getting a 1070Ti, as I believe it is compatible with my current system.
A 1070Ti would produce more Seti-wise...not sure how much, though ?
Going for a 1080 or 1080Ti means basically an all new build.


. . is this a space thing? Otherwise I cannot see a problem ...

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Message 1935646 - Posted: 14 May 2018, 13:25:38 UTC

Might be if the current case is a bit short where the GPUs sit as the GTX1080 family tend to be a bit longer than the GTX1070 family. Also some older motherboards have some of the SATA connectors "sticking up" (rather than "laying flat") directly in line with the slots.
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Message 1935649 - Posted: 14 May 2018, 13:34:43 UTC - in response to Message 1935644.  


. . is this a space thing? Otherwise I cannot see a problem ...

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No...there is space enough in my TT Armor REVO Snow Ed.
Not sure about power connectors, though...uses 1x 8-pin, I believe ? My 780 Ti uses 2x.
Can't remember if I have one free...haven't done much in the case since I built the system, haha...
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Message 1935651 - Posted: 14 May 2018, 13:40:29 UTC - in response to Message 1935646.  
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Might be if the current case is a bit short where the GPUs sit as the GTX1080 family tend to be a bit longer than the GTX1070 family. Also some older motherboards have some of the SATA connectors "sticking up" (rather than "laying flat") directly in line with the slots.

Both the 1070 and the 1080 are shorter than my current card.
The 780Ti is 11"...and I even have 2" extra to play with.
Some of the 1080Ti's are nearly 12"...not a problem.
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Message 1935711 - Posted: 14 May 2018, 21:28:25 UTC - in response to Message 1935651.  

Your CPU is fine, my top 2 computers are old LGA2011 boards with good GPUs. My Quad core 3820 is at 142,000 RAC with 2x1070 and 2x1060s in it. So an ATX board, case, PSU (750 is fine), and a GPU and you will gain a lot.
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Message 1935750 - Posted: 15 May 2018, 4:19:54 UTC - in response to Message 1935628.  

My power supply is a Corsair AX860 (platinum-rated), so should be able to deal with a 1070 beside the 780Ti ?

Easily.
I've got 2* i7 systems, one with 2*GTX 1070s, the other with 3* GTX 750Tis, a 30" monitor and the other around 50" or so, and my router. According to my UPS, the total load for everything is is less than 750W, so your AX860 would have no problems even with a pair of Titan Xps in there.
As long as you've got the room, PCIe slots and PCIe power plugs (or some Molex to PCIe adaptors), you'll be able to run whatever you're able to get (at a almost reasonable price. GPU Prices are improving, but they're still not great).
With luck, later this year NVidia should release their next generation of GPUs, that should knock the price of current hardware down even further.
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Message 1935778 - Posted: 15 May 2018, 9:50:21 UTC - in response to Message 1935750.  
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Easily.
I've got 2* i7 systems, one with 2*GTX 1070s, the other with 3* GTX 750Tis, a 30" monitor and the other around 50" or so, and my router. According to my UPS, the total load for everything is is less than 750W, so your AX860 would have no problems even with a pair of Titan Xps in there.
As long as you've got the room, PCIe slots and PCIe power plugs (or some Molex to PCIe adaptors), you'll be able to run whatever you're able to get (at a almost reasonable price. GPU Prices are improving, but they're still not great).
With luck, later this year NVidia should release their next generation of GPUs, that should knock the price of current hardware down even further.

Took a peek at my PSU....and yes, I do have a 6+2 pin free, and easily accessible too. Looks like this is a no-brainer.. ;)
Question is which one to choose, whether to go for highest possible boost clock (something like the Asus ROG Strix) or a more moderately priced card.
Cheapest would be a EVGA 1070 SC Gaming ACX 3.0 (1594-1784MHz) at ~$550 over here.
The Asus ROG Strix Gaming (1657-1860MHz) would set me back ~$686
Must dig out some reviews.
Could wait and see if prices fall....that game is hard to win at.
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Message 1935781 - Posted: 15 May 2018, 10:10:42 UTC

As this does not have a lot to do with server problems, perhaps start a new thread to discuss this.

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Message 1935789 - Posted: 15 May 2018, 17:28:45 UTC

Well as outages go that was a quickey
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Message 1935790 - Posted: 15 May 2018, 17:36:30 UTC - in response to Message 1935789.  

Yes and it started back at its old customary time. Too bad there is no work available.
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Message 1935792 - Posted: 15 May 2018, 17:51:10 UTC - in response to Message 1935778.  

Took a peek at my PSU....and yes, I do have a 6+2 pin free, and easily accessible too. Looks like this is a no-brainer.. ;)
Question is which one to choose, whether to go for highest possible boost clock (something like the Asus ROG Strix) or a more moderately priced card.
Cheapest would be a EVGA 1070 SC Gaming ACX 3.0 (1594-1784MHz) at ~$550 over here.
The Asus ROG Strix Gaming (1657-1860MHz) would set me back ~$686
Must dig out some reviews.
Could wait and see if prices fall....that game is hard to win at.


. . My experience is that the higher end versions are more for gaming performance and can probably make a difference if you are a gamer. But for SETI the basic versions perform just about as well as their more expensive stablemates and give more bang for your buck! With prices the way they are that can be a good saving.

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Message 1935793 - Posted: 15 May 2018, 17:52:06 UTC - in response to Message 1935781.  

As this does not have a lot to do with server problems, perhaps start a new thread to discuss this.

Thank you.


. . True, sorry bout that.

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Message 1935794 - Posted: 15 May 2018, 17:53:29 UTC - in response to Message 1935789.  

Well as outages go that was a quickey


. . 5 hours seems to be the new norm for outages. It makes a welcome change.

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Message 1935806 - Posted: 15 May 2018, 20:51:54 UTC - in response to Message 1935778.  


Took a peek at my PSU....and yes, I do have a 6+2 pin free, and easily accessible too. Looks like this is a no-brainer.. ;)
Question is which one to choose, whether to go for highest possible boost clock (something like the Asus ROG Strix) or a more moderately priced card.
Cheapest would be a EVGA 1070 SC Gaming ACX 3.0 (1594-1784MHz) at ~$550 over here.
The Asus ROG Strix Gaming (1657-1860MHz) would set me back ~$686
Must dig out some reviews.
Could wait and see if prices fall....that game is hard to win at.


Take a look at the length of those cards. Strix tend to be very large cards and stick way out beyond the board. So much so, that it can almost prevent you from putting it in a case if there are intake fans. Best to measure your case and make sure it will fit.

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