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Message 1928646 - Posted: 7 Apr 2018, 16:30:35 UTC

I should be getting a vega frontier edition (air cooled) in a week. Its a 1 month old used card but still as good as new and will cost me $680. I was wondering if there is any aftermarket coolers available for this card. I could not find any tangible results through google. Has anyone any experience using this for crunching?
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Message 1928662 - Posted: 7 Apr 2018, 18:11:34 UTC - in response to Message 1928646.  

Depends on the brand and what kind of cooler they've got on it. If I were you, I'd test that cooler first, before looking elsewhere, as usually they are pretty good. AMD only makes the GPU, but brand manufacturers make the whole videocard, with overclocking and cooling.
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Message 1928665 - Posted: 7 Apr 2018, 18:19:13 UTC - in response to Message 1928662.  

Depends on the brand and what kind of cooler they've got on it. If I were you, I'd test that cooler first, before looking elsewhere, as usually they are pretty good. AMD only makes the GPU, but brand manufacturers make the whole videocard, with overclocking and cooling.



Yes, I would see how it works as is first. The Vega Frontier uses a good vapor chamber coldplate cooling solution. Best technology there is for a blower design.
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Message 1928672 - Posted: 7 Apr 2018, 19:05:34 UTC

Thanks for the info. I shall check the performance once I get my hands on the card.
I did come across a site that has custom liquid cooling blocks for the vega cards, but these would be for later if I am not able to get a proper cooling with the standard cooler it comes with. I could not find any air cooled solutions yet.
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Message 1928674 - Posted: 7 Apr 2018, 19:20:21 UTC - in response to Message 1928672.  

There is the Radeon Vega Frontier Edition Liquid Retail in a AIO cooling solution. There is a couple of listed water blocks on Amazon, not just from EK.

There is the Watercool HEATKILLER IV for RX Vega 56 & 64 - ACRYL

Watercool is a very good custom water block company. Their products are always highly rated.

I don't see many AIB design Vega 64 cards. Most just rebadge the Frontier edition blower design. That usually means that there is very little improvement gained from moving to the traditional 2 or 3 fans AIB cooling designs. The card is power hungry at 300W TDP. I think the only cooling gain would come from liquid cooling.
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Message 1928759 - Posted: 8 Apr 2018, 3:39:12 UTC

I am happy with EK's Vega Waterblocks. I have an aircooled VegaFE with the EK block and a complete overkill 560mm radiator, Nemesis. It pulls max power of 210W and max HBM/GPU temps of 42C/37C while running SETI. I also have a quad RX Vega64 system with the same water blocks but much smaller 240mm radiator running a max temp of ~54C. I found on Vega, I can run with an sbs size of 2048 vs. 1024 on Fiji cards.
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Message 1928814 - Posted: 8 Apr 2018, 15:23:59 UTC

Heatkiller seems like a good alternative to EK. I will still try to see how good the card performs with the built in air cooler first.
I have never tried running more than one equipment with water cooling at a time so just to get more info... can two or more GPUs be connected in series to a single cooling system? How will the temperatures be on the last card on the loop? Or is there any option to do a parallel connection for all the GPUs. Wont the pump also need to be of higher capacity to handle the excess tubing?
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Message 1928936 - Posted: 9 Apr 2018, 2:28:30 UTC - in response to Message 1928814.  

Heatkiller seems like a good alternative to EK. I will still try to see how good the card performs with the built in air cooler first.
I have never tried running more than one equipment with water cooling at a time so just to get more info... can two or more GPUs be connected in series to a single cooling system? How will the temperatures be on the last card on the loop? Or is there any option to do a parallel connection for all the GPUs. Wont the pump also need to be of higher capacity to handle the excess tubing?


I have 3 systems with multiple GPUs and the CPU in the same cooling loop. I prefer to use parallel terminal blocks when I can, but in cases where the card slots don't align with standard parallel terminal blocks available, I use the semi-parallel x7 terminal block and block the unused slots. This terminal block has 4 parallel slots in series with 3 parallel slots. I have 2 systems using the EK D5 pump and 420mm radiator and 1 system using a 240mm radiator with a DDC pump. In my previous post I gave temps of dedicated loop vs. shared loop. At steady state, individual GPU temp differences are probably more the result of variable power/performance of each die.

Here is a photo of my most extreme build with 3xProDuo and a Threadripper 1950X all in the same loop. Temps are definitely limited by the cooling loop with the CPU running in 60-65C and the GPUs all running in the mid 40s. The GPUs are 3 cards in parallel with each card having 2 GPUs in series. I thought about running the CPU and GPU loops in parallel, but I think at steady state it would not make much difference.
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Message 1930322 - Posted: 16 Apr 2018, 16:26:25 UTC

I finally got the Vega Frontier edition GPU but seem to have run into a roadblock. I am unable to install the driver (latest version). It always give me BSOD part way through the installation. All previous drivers have been uninstalled. I read somewhere that it could be due to the HBM2 incompatibility with the motherboard. I am running Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 Rev 1.0 with the latest BIOS. Couple of other motherboards I have are also either the same category or older.

What could be the issue here? It will be a real bummer if I have to shell out more for newer mobo, processor and RAM.
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Message 1930326 - Posted: 16 Apr 2018, 16:37:44 UTC - in response to Message 1930322.  

Try installing it in "Safe Mode"
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Message 1930341 - Posted: 16 Apr 2018, 18:56:52 UTC - in response to Message 1930326.  
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Try installing it in "Safe Mode"

I could install the driver in the Safe Mode through the device manager. But after restarting, the PC went into an endless BSOD - restart loop. Had to get back into safe mode and remove the driver. Now I am trying to search for a possible solution to this issue :( . Hope someone out there has a solution.

Edit: The issue is caused by atimkdag.sys file
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Message 1930365 - Posted: 16 Apr 2018, 20:31:34 UTC - in response to Message 1930341.  

What does the BSOD say?
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Message 1930485 - Posted: 17 Apr 2018, 9:03:54 UTC - in response to Message 1930341.  

Try installing it in "Safe Mode"

I could install the driver in the Safe Mode through the device manager. But after restarting, the PC went into an endless BSOD - restart loop. Had to get back into safe mode and remove the driver. Now I am trying to search for a possible solution to this issue :( . Hope someone out there has a solution.

Edit: The issue is caused by atimkdag.sys file


Which version driver are you installing? There is a specific section for Frontier Edition on the AMD driver download page. Then there are 2 options from there.
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Message 1930912 - Posted: 19 Apr 2018, 16:53:12 UTC

I have tried the below versions with the same result.

win10-64bit-radeon-software-adrenalin-edition-18.3.4-march23
radeon-software-adrenalin-18.3.4-minimalsetup-180325_web
win10-64bit-radeon-software-adrenalin-edition-17.12.1-dec11


After further search, I also found this one, but due to house shifting, haven't had a chance to try it yet.

Win10-64Bit-Crimson-ReLive-Beta-Blockchain-Workloads-Aug23
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Message 1930963 - Posted: 19 Apr 2018, 23:26:30 UTC - in response to Message 1930912.  

I have tried the below versions with the same result.

win10-64bit-radeon-software-adrenalin-edition-18.3.4-march23
radeon-software-adrenalin-18.3.4-minimalsetup-180325_web
win10-64bit-radeon-software-adrenalin-edition-17.12.1-dec11


After further search, I also found this one, but due to house shifting, haven't had a chance to try it yet.

Win10-64Bit-Crimson-ReLive-Beta-Blockchain-Workloads-Aug23

I am using the Pro driver from this link:

https://support.amd.com/en-us/download/workstation?os=Windows+10+-+64#pro-driver
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Message 1930982 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018, 4:13:56 UTC - in response to Message 1930963.  


I am using the Pro driver from this link:

https://support.amd.com/en-us/download/workstation?os=Windows+10+-+64#pro-driver


I will try that link after I am all set with the new house, hopefully in a couple of days.
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Message 1936279 - Posted: 19 May 2018, 14:45:22 UTC

Its been a very long time that I could not try anything with the Vega FE card that I could. Finally over the weekend I tried everything that was suggested, and also tried installing on another motherboard GA-990XA-UD3 with the latest F14e BIOS but all I am getting is unknown AMD hardware. I am just not able to install the drivers for this card and I am getting very frustrated.

Anyone who had similar issues and was able to solve it?
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