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petri33 Send message Joined: 6 Jun 02 Posts: 1668 Credit: 623,086,772 RAC: 156 |
I am working on getting you that 1050ti information. What I need to know is the query in smi for the current pwr usage? nvidia-smi -l To overcome Heisenbergs: "You can't always get what you want / but if you try sometimes you just might find / you get what you need." -- Rolling Stones |
TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768 |
Now we need just 1050 & 1050Ti to pick the winner. You're ignoring the 750 Ti which only draws 30 watts. This machine is running a 30 watt 750 Ti, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7769537&offset=100 Around 400 seconds, at 30 watts? This machine is running the plain 1050, which isn't much different than a Ti, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6906726&offset=200 The current drivers don't show the watts, but previous ones put it around 65-70 watts being the Super Super-Clocked version. My 750 Ti isn't super clocked, it isn't even OCed. 750 Ti at 400 secs and 30 watts or; 1050 at 290 secs and 67 watts? Looks good for the 750 Ti. Oh, this machine is running the 1050 Ti SC, and the times are about the same as the 1050 SSC, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=6551333385 BTW, in my test CUDA 9.1 slows a GTX 950 by about a minute over CUDA 9.0. CUDA 9 is much faster on a 950 than CUDA 9.1. I tried Multiple builds, same results. |
juan BFP Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 9786 Credit: 572,710,851 RAC: 3,799 |
You're ignoring the 750 Ti which only draws 30 watts. My idea was to test only Linux boxes with multiple GPU's, who runs CUDA90 & +, those who not shows on the Shaggie76's GPU chart. The 750Ti is the clear winner on his chart. This machine is running a 30 watt 750 Ti, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7769537&offset=100 Unless i read something wrong this host uses CUDA7.5 This machine is running the plain 1050, which isn't much different than a Ti, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6906726&offset=200 Data added to the table. Thanks.
I not add to the table because not know the Power it uses & the times are similar to the 1050 as explained. BTW, in my test CUDA 9.1 slows a GTX 950 by about a minute over CUDA 9.0. CUDA 9 is much faster on a 950 than CUDA 9.1. I tried Multiple builds, same results. That is nice to know. As you can see by the table the crunching time of Petri (who runs CUDA9.1) on similar GPU's are faster compared with Keith (who runs CUDA9.0). Unfourtunately i not have the CUDA9.1 apps to test in my hosts to see if that replicate on the 1070. If anyone has that info will be nice to know. So adding Tbar 1050 the table looks like: Host--GPU-Crunching Time-Power Draw TBar--1050--270 secs---------67W (CUDA 9.0) Keith-1060 --165 secs---------88W (CUDA9.0) Juan--1060--176 secs---------86W (CUDA9.0) Juan--1070--127 secs---------117W (CUDA9.0) Keith-1080--100 secs---------135W (CUDA9.0) Petri--1080---90 secs----------150W (CUDA9.1) Keith-1080Ti--72 secs---------208W (CUDA9.0) Petri--1080Ti--68secs---------220W (CUDA9.1) Petri--TitanV---39 secs---------140W (CUDA9.1) |
TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768 |
As I've stated previously, the CUDA versions make little difference, unless you start going back to before 7.5. CUDA 7.0 is a wash, much slower than even CUDA 6.0. What makes the difference is Petri's tweaking, or App versions. Newer App Versions usually run faster, unfortunately anything newer than zi3v will result in Many Invalid results....but it is a little faster. Just look at this machine running zi3xs2, it's loaded with Invalids whereas my machine running zi3v has None, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=8424399 I can assure you, My 750 Ti runs the same with CUDA 7.5 or CUDA 9.0, as there is little difference between 7.5, 8.0, or 9.0. I should know, I compiled the Apps. |
juan BFP Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 9786 Credit: 572,710,851 RAC: 3,799 |
I can assure you, My 750 Ti runs the same with CUDA 7.5 or CUDA 9.0, as there is little difference between 7.5, 8.0, or 9.0. I should know, I compiled the Apps. Ok. So adding Tbar 750Ti the table looks like: Host--GPU-Crunching Time-Power Draw TBar--750Ti-400 secs---------30W (CUDA7.5) TBar--1050--270 secs---------67W (CUDA 9.0) Keith-1060 --165 secs---------88W (CUDA9.0) Juan--1060--176 secs---------86W (CUDA9.0) Juan--1070--127 secs---------117W (CUDA9.0) Keith-1080--100 secs---------135W (CUDA9.0) Petri--1080---90 secs----------150W (CUDA9.1) Keith-1080Ti--72 secs---------208W (CUDA9.0) Petri--1080Ti--68secs---------220W (CUDA9.1) Petri--TitanV---39 secs---------140W (CUDA9.1) |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22508 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Makes even more interesting reading if one looks at total energy consumption: TBar--750Ti-400 secs---------30W (CUDA7.5) = 12000 TBar--1050--270 secs---------67W (CUDA 9.0) = 18090 Keith-1060 --165 secs---------88W (CUDA9.0) = 14520 Juan--1060--176 secs---------86W (CUDA9.0) = 15136 Juan--1070--127 secs---------117W (CUDA9.0) = 14859 Keith-1080--100 secs---------135W (CUDA9.0) = 13500 Petri--1080---90 secs----------150W (CUDA9.1) = 13500 Keith-1080Ti--72 secs---------208W (CUDA9.0) = 14976 Petri--1080Ti--68secs---------220W (CUDA9.1) = 14960 Petri--TitanV---39 secs---------140W (CUDA9.1) = 5460 (Calculated energy in Watt Seconds = run time * quoted power) The clear winner is the Titan V, second the venerable & venerated GTX750Ti, the "looser" the GTX1050, and the rest pretty well bunch together. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
juan BFP Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 9786 Credit: 572,710,851 RAC: 3,799 |
Makes even more interesting reading if one looks at total energy consumption: Sure. Thanks Rob. Could be even more interesting if we add the cost of the GPU itself. Sure the 750Ti will win by a large margin. LOL |
TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768 |
BTW, here's a 750 Ti running CUDA 9.0 but using a test version of zi3x. Note his is just slightly faster than zi3v, but he has quite a Few Invalids, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=8053171&offset=400 zi3x-32 was a test to see what would work on the Kepler cards, you really won't notice much difference running zi3v. Except, you won't have any Invalids, and the Inconclusives would be lower. Also, Petri is Not running zi3v. That is a Major difference. |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
I'll have to go back to the technical breakdown of the TitanV to see what feature size and architecture changes make it so economical in power consumption. It certainly isn't going to win the cost per watt contest but it might bode good things in the future for the consumer level cards of the TitanV architecture. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22508 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Petri running his pre-pre-pre release special make the comparison between the two 1080Ti "interesting", as it gives some idea of the difference between his latest (potential) offering and the current top hitter (zi3v) - about 4% improvement in run time for about +6% on power (or a very slight reduction in energy consumed) Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Ian&Steve C. Send message Joined: 28 Sep 99 Posts: 4267 Credit: 1,282,604,591 RAC: 6,640 |
performance per watt is certainly a factor that is intriguing to some, but i think we should steer this thread back to it's intended performance per dollar GPU price metric. Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
Agree, the original intent of the post should be cost vs performance. That said, one last comment on Titan V's Volta architecture. It is only based on 12nm feature size which is just a slight process improvement over Pascal's 16nm feature size. From the power improvements posted, I thought Volta might be based on 10nm feature size. So, the design probably has more to do with the small power consumption over so many CUDA cores. So, the new king in cost versus performance should be the Volta version of the 1050Ti or 1060. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
Bill G Send message Joined: 1 Jun 01 Posts: 1282 Credit: 187,688,550 RAC: 182 |
OK, my smi version does not give current wattage, only max. I have 2X1050ti at 75 watts each and one 1050ti at 130 watts. And I am running W10. SETI@home classic workunits 4,019 SETI@home classic CPU time 34,348 hours |
Zalster Send message Joined: 27 May 99 Posts: 5517 Credit: 528,817,460 RAC: 242 |
performance per watt is certainly a factor that is intriguing to some, but i think we should steer this thread back to it's intended performance per dollar GPU price metric. hahaha.... Yeah, we do love any excuse to get together and jaw about processing. I'd consider it a compliment, lol.... |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36639 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
GPUz will give you a better idea on what they're actually using. ;-) Cheers. |
juan BFP Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 9786 Credit: 572,710,851 RAC: 3,799 |
performance per watt is certainly a factor that is intriguing to some, but i think we should steer this thread back to it's intended performance per dollar GPU price metric. The problem to do that is the "madness" prices of the GPU market. That's why i only put the time, watts, etc. Each one could do his math from his own suppliers. |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
The nvidia-smi version is updated for each driver version. Your driver version 388 should report the current power draw for each card along with the max TDP. It is has worked that way for me in Win 10 as far back as the 375 drivers as far as I can remember. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Mon Apr 09 17:21:23 2018 +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | NVIDIA-SMI 391.24 Driver Version: 391.24 | |-------------------------------+----------------------+----------------------+ | GPU Name TCC/WDDM | Bus-Id Disp.A | Volatile Uncorr. ECC | | Fan Temp Perf Pwr:Usage/Cap| Memory-Usage | GPU-Util Compute M. | |===============================+======================+======================| | 0 GeForce GTX 1070 WDDM | 00000000:04:00.0 Off | N/A | | 96% 57C P2 111W / 169W | 2323MiB / 8192MiB | 91% Default | +-------------------------------+----------------------+----------------------+ | 1 GeForce GTX 1070 WDDM | 00000000:09:00.0 On | N/A | | 98% 61C P2 97W / 169W | 2408MiB / 8192MiB | 87% Default | +-------------------------------+----------------------+----------------------+ | 2 GeForce GTX 108... WDDM | 00000000:0A:00.0 Off | N/A | | 0% 38C P2 167W / 300W | 3183MiB / 11264MiB | 89% Default | +-------------------------------+----------------------+----------------------+ But GPU-Z only reports the current power usage in percentage of total TDP. So you would have to know the max TDP of the 750TI and 1050Ti to deduce the current actual power draw in watts. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
Bill G Send message Joined: 1 Jun 01 Posts: 1282 Credit: 187,688,550 RAC: 182 |
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i5gsysrs9dmk4fd/smi.jpg?dl=0 SETI@home classic workunits 4,019 SETI@home classic CPU time 34,348 hours |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
[quote] Huh?? Never seen that before. Must be looking for some other support in the Windows environment that I have but you don't. Sorry about that. Guess you will have to rely on GPU-Z and its percentage loading numbers to calculate actual watts consumed. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768 |
After thinking about it, I think the 65 to 70 watts is for the GTX 950 SC. The GTX 1050 SSC doesn't show the usage with the recent drivers, I had to go all the way back to the CUDA ToolKit 9 driver. But....it works; Mon Apr 9 21:21:25 2018 +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | NVIDIA-SMI 384.81 Driver Version: 384.81 | |-------------------------------+----------------------+----------------------+ | GPU Name Persistence-M| Bus-Id Disp.A | Volatile Uncorr. ECC | | Fan Temp Perf Pwr:Usage/Cap| Memory-Usage | GPU-Util Compute M. | |===============================+======================+======================| | 0 GeForce GTX 1050 Off | 00000000:01:00.0 On | N/A | | 38% 61C P0 59W / 75W | 1704MiB / 1998MiB | 100% Default | +-------------------------------+----------------------+----------------------+ | 1 GeForce GTX 1050 Off | 00000000:08:00.0 Off | N/A | | 35% 59C P0 60W / 75W | 1500MiB / 1999MiB | 99% Default | +-------------------------------+----------------------+----------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Processes: GPU Memory | | GPU PID Type Process name Usage | |=============================================================================| | 0 772 G /usr/bin/X 169MiB | | 0 1144 G compiz 40MiB | | 0 2888 C ...me_x41p_zi3v_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu_cuda90 1491MiB | | 1 2889 C ...me_x41p_zi3v_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu_cuda90 1489MiB | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ So, not quite as bad. This is the Super Super-clocked 1050 version, it pulls a little more power. The GTX 950 is merely 'Super-clocked' |
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