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Message 1944900 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 12:47:24 UTC - in response to Message 1944897.  

The Islamic state, the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda are also religious organizations, or you did not know it and all of them are extremist.


The Quakers are an extremist organization... extremely pacifist. You'd best throw them in jail as well.
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Message 1944903 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 12:55:41 UTC - in response to Message 1944899.  

Russia has the right to restrict the activities of any organization and its participants but its territory, which are extremist, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
Sorry Vadim, but the more you post, the more you come across as a Russian version of Clyde, so I'll ask this only once.

Provide evidence that Jehovah's Witnesses are extremists/terrorists.
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Message 1944905 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 12:56:30 UTC - in response to Message 1944897.  
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They are not imprisoned for religious beliefs, but for participating in an organization, do you understand the difference?
It is a religious organisation - do you understand?
The Islamic state, the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda are also religious organizations, or you did not know it and all of them are extremist.
But those are not religious organizations, They are terrorist organizations having religion as a cover.
Most of them hasn't even read the Quran.

Is Sweden allowed IGIL?
I think you mean ISIL aka IS aka ISIS aka Daesh.
Of course not!
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Message 1944914 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 13:31:25 UTC - in response to Message 1944910.  

I do not have to prove anything to you.
Want to have evidence of extremism "Jehovah's Witnesses," you have the right to apply to the Supreme Court of Russia and demand that you provide evidence.
You already have & if you cannot see how, I'm not a teacher, so go back see what you have posted. :-)
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Message 1944915 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 13:33:24 UTC - in response to Message 1944910.  

I do not have to prove anything to you.


Your admission that you were incorrect is noted.
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Message 1944919 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 13:52:06 UTC - in response to Message 1944911.  
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Only problem is that the recruit fighters for religious reasons.

Only problem?
To those involved in terrorist organisations it's only peace in the world when all humans adhere to Islam.
btw speaking of recruting.
Russian is, in fact, the next most widely used language for IS after Arabic. There is, for example, an IS magazine in Russian, "Istok", which focuses mainly on Central Asia. Like Uzbekistan!
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Message 1944920 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 13:53:03 UTC - in response to Message 1944916.  

Fine and dandy, but please don't try to tell us that there is either freedom of religion or of expression there when either can be arbitrarily labeled as "extremism" or "propaganda" and criminalized.
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Message 1944921 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 13:54:40 UTC - in response to Message 1944892.  

If a person becomes a participant in such an organization, they will put him in jail. What is the problem?
They are not imprisoned for religious beliefs, but for participating in an organization, do you understand the difference?

Thanks for the confirmation that Russia is a dictatorship and any opposition organization can be banned because it is "extreme"
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Message 1944922 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 13:55:25 UTC - in response to Message 1944916.  

I'll write this slowly as I know you cannot read fast. You have stated on an international forum that Jehovah's Witnesses are an extremist organisation & you lumped them alongside ISIS & Al Qaeda. You did so as an individual & I as an individual asked for evidence of that fact.

No court is perfect, in fact throughout the world there have been many cases of injustices done.

ARE you saying that you & Russia is perfect?

Sorry I did not insult result Russia. however you on the other hand...
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Message 1944925 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 14:07:04 UTC - in response to Message 1944923.  

A dictatorship is one that stifles all opposition to those in power. You have ably shown what happens to opposition in Russia, so...
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Message 1944929 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 14:18:56 UTC - in response to Message 1944926.  
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The Russian Constitution is only from 1993.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Russia
Some amendments in 2008.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_amendments_to_the_Constitution_of_Russia
Section One:2 Rights and Liberties of Man and Citizen
Freedom of opinion in Russia is still VERY different compared to the Western World.
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Message 1944932 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 14:26:25 UTC - in response to Message 1944928.  

Jehovah's Witnesses are the opposition. Not fun of me))))))
Not making fun of you at all.
Are you smoking or drinking?
No.

Do you have Al Qaeda in the US or ISIL allowed?
If ISlS, Al Qaeda, Muslim Brothers are not allowed in the US then the US is a dictatorial state.
You label Jehovah's Witnesses as extremists. Unlike those you named, do they bear arms or use suicide bombers?
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Message 1944934 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 14:31:56 UTC - in response to Message 1944931.  
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Naturally different, we have different worldviews.
Not true.
The Russian view of Freedom of Opinion and Assembling stated in the Constitution is the about the same as the Western World's
However the implementation is very different.
FSB seems to still have the KGB manuals!
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Message 1944935 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 14:32:59 UTC - in response to Message 1944933.  

But you all, as one advocate for abortion and the main life of a woman.
I believe that life is more important than religious beliefs. Unfortunately, you do not understand this.
So if a pregnancy becomes complicated enough that to continue the life of the woman becomes endangered, you want the pregnancy to continue because of that belief & in due course (which has happened) both lives are lost?
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Message 1944938 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 14:38:08 UTC - in response to Message 1944936.  

You can understand that it was not I who called them extremists. They were called by the Russian court.

Visibly for the Russian court, the ban on blood transfusion and vaccination for members of the organization is extremist. There were a lot of scandals across Russia because of the death of people. First, the Jehovah's Witnesses were banned in the regions and after that the Supreme Court
That is a fair comment. Your mistake was lumping them In with terrorist organisations.

At one time or another, even governments were extremists because of their views & laws.
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Message 1944941 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 14:57:57 UTC - in response to Message 1944940.  

I do not argue.
I doubt that Jehovah's Witnesses can become a state government. Knowing the Russian realities, they will be buried alive, it will not be government, but ordinary people. In Russia, the Orthodox Church is strong.
Now yes...
...but at one time...

The Church was caught in the crossfire of the Russian Civil War that began later in 1918, and Church leadership, despite their attempts to be politically neutral (from the autumn of 1918), as well as the clergy generally were perceived by the Soviet authorities as a "counter-revolutionary" force and thus subject to suppression and eventual liquidation. In the first five years after the Bolshevik revolution, 28 bishops and 1,200 priests were executed.

...isn't that called "suppression"?
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Message 1944944 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 15:10:29 UTC

Speaking of Freedom of Opinion and Assembling.
ECHR condemns Pussy Riot and Anna Politkovskaya cases
The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) has condemned Russia for its handling of two high-profile cases.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44857461
It said Russia had violated five articles of the human rights convention in its arrest and conviction of Pussy Riot members in 2012.
Three women from the activist group were arrested after performing a protest song in a Moscow cathedral.
Separately, the ECHR also heavily criticised the investigation into journalist Anna Politkovskaya's murder.
Politkovskaya was shot dead in a lift in her block of flats in 2006. Five men were found guilty of her murder in 2014, although it is still not known who commissioned the assassination.
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Message 1944952 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 21:30:37 UTC

Just like Clyde, you are just digging yourself a deeper hole Vadim.
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Message 1944956 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 21:39:10 UTC - in response to Message 1944946.  

Pussy Riot convicted lawfully. They nor the right to dance in the Moscow church.
  What the ECHR is taking is deeply indifferent. russia does not elect judges to the ECHR. The judgments of this court for Russia are illegal.
European Court of Human Rights explained.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-16924514
The court, which was set up in 1959 in the French city of Strasbourg, considers cases brought by individuals, organisations and states against the countries which are bound by the convention; namely, all European nations except Belarus.
Why Belarus are excluded I don't know.
But Russia is a part Europe. Right?
Russia has judges in the ECHR!
Dmitry Dedov.
https://www.echr.coe.int/Pages/home.aspx?p=court/judges&c=#n1368718271710_pointer
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Message 1944960 - Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 22:07:31 UTC

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