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moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
A nice government sanctioned protest, yes, that is what Russia, er Putin, wants..What? Sanctioned by Putin? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_Riot The collective's lyrical themes included feminism, LGBT rights, and opposition to Russian President Vladimir Putin, whom the group considered to be a dictator, and his policies.[2] These themes also encompassed Putin's links to the leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church.[5] |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3806 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
You are almost certainly correct, Vadim in that their protests seem silly or misplaced. But freedom of expression is the protection of expression of deeply unpopular ideas and opinions. There has never been a regime so despotic that praising it, or its leader, or its policies, would be opposed by the state. So far the only country that has consistently understood this and has supported freedom of speech and expression more than any other is the United States. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Who supports Pussy Riot now? https://www.svt.se/kultur/kronika-vem-stottar-pussy-riot-nu Pussy Riot was inspired by author Dimitrij Prigov when they chose to storm the plan dressed up for police, they write. "The policeman as a bearer of nationalism and Russian culture." According to Prigov, there are two versions of him: the heavenly and the earthly. In Pussy Riots sports translation, the heavenly policeman represents everything that is beautiful with a football tournament, and is willing to follow the rules of the game. The earthly version of the policeman is afraid for the carnival that the football tournament brings, and does not care about any game rules. The future of Russia must let the heavenly version defeat the earthly, writes Pussy Riot. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
You are almost certainly correct, Vadim in that their protests seem silly or misplaced. But freedom of expression is the protection of expression of deeply unpopular ideas and opinions. There has never been a regime so despotic that praising it, or its leader, or its policies, would be opposed by the state.There is a time and a place to make manifestions. Even in the US! Pussy Riot chosed the wrong place. Strange that Sputnik News doesn't mention this incident... https://sputniknews.com/ |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3806 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
The United States is not perfect, and has made some mistakes in this regard, but it has so far expressed the highest level of support for free speech and expression... occupying others' land may not count as that. Russia has made simply publishing a magazine by LGBT people for other LGBT people a criminal offense. Canada is far from perfect as well as we have "hate crime" laws which have already been misused to prosecute people simply for publishing unpopular opinions. And don't even get me started with China and its "Great Firewall" where most of the biggest sites outside China are blocked because they may offer up information that the state has deemed illegal (Tiananmen square, anyone?)... internet use there is so monitored simply Googling "democracy" has resulted in a visit from the police. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3806 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
In Russia, the law only prohibits the holding of LGBT parades and propaganda. I'm sure that they do, and rather sad that you also seem to agree with this or at least defend it, but legislating morality and calling any speech or writing you find "non-traditional" as "propaganda" and banning it is about as oppressive and contrary to freedom of expression as one can get. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3806 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
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moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
In football terms and law terms it's called Hooliganism.The United States is not perfect, and has made some mistakes in this regard, but it has so far expressed the highest level of support for free speech and expression... occupying others' land may not count as that.Breaking the responsible football match can be considered for free speech and expression? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooliganism |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
HeHe:) |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
The world's eyes are in Helsinki where US President Donald Trump and Russia's Vladimir Putin meet today for the first time for an official meeting. At 11 am UTC, a brief press conference was held where Trump began to congratulate Putin for what he described as one of the best-performing world championships in football throughout the ages. "To agree with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing," said Trump. The meeting between the two world leaders is delayed by about one hour, which is likely to cause a shift in the planned schedule. They will jointly meet the press at about 2 pm UTC after holding discussions behind closed doors, but it's uncertain when it will actually take place. |
Pierre A Renaud Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 998 Credit: 9,101,544 RAC: 65 |
A very brave group of activists who, again, have very legitimate requests to make. “Hello everyone from the Luzhniki field, it’s great here,†the heavily political punk performance group said on Twitter , and released a statement calling for the freeing of political prisoners, an end to “illegal arrests†of protesters and to “allow political competition†in Russia. Way to go Pussy Riot! Apr 3, 1999 - May 3, 2020 |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36800 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Russia, just like the U.S., is in bad need of political and cultural reform, and that is a fact. Getting rid of those arrogant male mighty white and privileged attitudes is also a must, and that is also another fact. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19401 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
A very brave group of activists who, again, have very legitimate requests to make. I would regard some, that the leaders of some countries say are terrorists, are in reality freedom fighters. Nelson Mandela probably being the most famous of recent times. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
According to the prosecution, Sentsov and other members of the terrorist community were preparing to commit explosions of self-made devices on the night of May 9, 2014 near the memorial of the "Eternal Flame" and the monument to Lenin in Simferopol, as well as arson of the offices of the public organization "Russian Community of Crimea" United Russia "in Simferopol on April 14 and 18, 2014 to intimidate the population to influence decision-making by the authorities.Hmm... Did Oleg Sentsov support terrorists? http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1531408281 Oleg Sentsov was imprisoned, together with three other opponents of Russia’s invasion and annexation of Crimea, in May 2014. All four men were held incommunicado for up to three weeks, first in Simferopol (Crimea), then in Moscow, before the ‘confessions’ of two of the men: Gennady Afanasyev and Oleksiy Chyrniy were shown on Russian TV at the end of May. Both Sentsov and civic activist Oleksandr Kolchenko have consistently denied all the charges, and have also spoken of the torture they were subjected to. Sentsov, in particular, stated from the outset that the FSB had told him that if he didn’t ‘confess’, he would be made the ‘mastermind’ of a terrorist plot and get 20 years. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3806 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
Nelson Mandella, Mahatma Gandhi, Lech Walesa, Martin Luther King did not prepare explosions and did not intimidate the population. Incorrect for Nelson Mandela... ... in 1961 Mandela, Sisulu, and Slovo co-founded Umkhonto we Sizwe ("Spear of the Nation", abbreviated MK). Becoming chairman of the militant group, Mandela gained ideas from literature on guerilla warfare by Marxist militants Mao and Che Guevara as well as from the military theorist Carl von Clausewitz. Although initially declared officially separate from the ANC so as not to taint the latter's reputation, MK was later widely recognised as the party's armed wing... His life term was for four counts of sabotage from these bombings. He was also initially given a death sentence, but it was commuted by the judge. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Are you sure that Sentsov is saying this is true?Yes, I think Sentsov is telling the truth. And the FSB criminal case is most likely fabricated. Where is the evidences of supporting terrorism? |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19401 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
When you have a leadership who rules by fear, and suppresses any opposition, even the press, then isn't sabotage and some forms of violence legitimate tools for the freedom fighter. edit] and for any Christians, Mathew 10:34 |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
I will support you in the desire "More information", this desire should be for you, if you are not a fanatic.If you have any information about evidences that support "terrorism", please let us know. Maybe the charge should be called "extremism" instead, a very vague term that in Russia could mean that almost any person can be accused for. For instance there are people imprisoned for religious beliefs, such as Jehovah’s Witnesses! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
They are not imprisoned for religious beliefs, but for participating in an organization, do you understand the difference?It is a religious organisation - do you understand? |
anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
I sense a post coming upon me ... yes, people I do :) but it'll have to wait because I'm a bit busy right now. |
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