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Message 1945690 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 1:34:41 UTC - in response to Message 1945689.  
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Naturally, we are creating new types of weapons in order to achieve parity.
We do not have as many weapons and troops as NATO.
No. Russia cannot afford it.
I read somewhere that Russia had to cut defense budget by 20% this year...
As a matter of fact it's only the US that are willing and perhaps able to pay NATO expenses.
And now Trump that are not willing to pay.
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Message 1945691 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 1:38:29 UTC

On the topic of everyone pointing missiles at each other and exercising in theirs or someone elses personal space *slow blink* I might have to put a re-read of the North Korea thread on my important-list-of-things-to-do-over-the-weekend.

Yes.

That way, I can remind myself of who thought what in that region ;) and then try and work out whether my head going clunk in this one was in any way related. But first...

Vadim: Forgive my asking, but have you seen WarGames? and/or Dr Strangelove? I'm hesitant to say I recommend them, because I realise both might have the potential to offend, but I would be interested in your views :) and whether there've been any films similar to them in message, but made from a Russian perspective that you could recommend?

What I initially came in to say was, however, that I think there is so much "propaganda" put out for public consumption, from all sides of almost every big debate, that it can be really tough being the only representative to speak for one side of it. Particularly when there is also, a language barrier and the vagaries of google translate etc to navigate.

What we all think we know (about so much that there is to know) is not always as accurate as we think it is - and that can mean any one of us, or many of us or none of us at all, can know anything with any real certainty until sometimes, many years later.

So I never read or watch news anymore without needing to know why, or at least understand why, someone thought it was important I know that. Who is best served, and how are they so, particularly if I just choose to believe it and move on to believing the next thing they tell me and the next.

Just one false flag. Just one, one-sided story... I always would like to know a little more :) because there is always more. Of course, sometimes - the whole truth had always been in there, all along, just drowned by the noise surrounding it or almost too convenient/inconvenient to accept, but there's always a backstory - from another's perspective - where real insight can lay.

And now I'm going to shut up so I can catch up on the gajillion posts that have been posted in the time it's taken for me to write just this one :)
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Message 1945695 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 1:46:18 UTC

Yes you are certainly pushing your country to the front with your militarist opinions. :-(
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Message 1945696 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 1:53:29 UTC - in response to Message 1945689.  
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Naturally, we are creating new types of weapons in order to achieve parity.
We do not have as many weapons and troops as in NATO.


Sigh... parity of what? NATO can kill every Russian twenty times over but the Russians can only kill everyone else ten times over so it's time to get building nukes to close that overkill gap?

I thought this nonsense was finally over in 1990 when the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Union shortly ended, but it just keeps dragging on and on and on, in an unstoppable race of who can out-stupid the other and waste the most billions on the most giant bombs that will sit in bunkers, never get used and then complain they have nothing left over for anything else like highways or education or health care, etc.

I can guarantee that NATO, China and no one else is invading Russia, just like I can guarantee that Russia isn't invading China, or China invading NATO, or even India pulling a fast one and invading Russia because who would suspect it. It's called Mutually Assured Destruction, and since the 1950's, has guaranteed that no nuclear power on this Earth will ever invade another one. So can we move on from this accusatory paranoia?

I wish the human race would grow up, soon. This is one of the reasons I like SETI. I figure if we find something truly and incomprehensibly alien out there, something a thousand times more different than us than we think the most "foreign" human being is, it might grow us up and bring us together as one humanity right quick.
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Message 1945697 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 1:58:56 UTC - in response to Message 1945696.  

Naturally, we are creating new types of weapons in order to achieve parity.
We do not have as many weapons and troops as in NATO.


Sigh... parity of what? NATO can kill every Russian twenty times over but the Russians can only kill everyone else ten times over so it's time to get building nukes to close that overkill gap?

I thought this nonsense was finally over in 1990 when the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Union shortly ended, but it just keeps dragging on and on and on, in an unstoppable race of who can out-stupid the other and waste the most billions on the most giant bombs that will sit in bunkers, never get used and then complain they have nothing left over for anything else like highways or education or health care, etc.

I can guarantee that NATO, China and no one else is invading Russia, just like I can guarantee that Russia isn't invading China, or China invading NATO, or even India pulling a fast one and invading Russia because who would suspect it. It's called Mutually Assured Destruction, and since the 1950's, has guaranteed that no nuclear power on this Earth will ever invade another one. So can we move on from this accusatory paranoia?

I wish the human race would grow up, soon. This is one of the reasons I like SETI. I figure if we find something truly and incomprehensibly alien out there, something a thousand times more different than us than we think the most "foreign" human being is, it might grow us up and bring us together as one humanity right quick.
I wish that too.

Often.
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Message 1945698 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 2:06:31 UTC - in response to Message 1945696.  

I wish the human race would grow up, soon. This is one of the reasons I like SETI. I figure if we find something truly and incomprehensibly alien out there, something a thousand times more different than us than we think the most "foreign" human being is, it might grow us up and bring us together as one humanity right quick.
I said something along those lines at least a decade ago. :-)

Any signal found will of course be E.T.'s but once translated/decoded & be a signal for other aliens which will read:

"Avoid Earth. No one trusts anyone & they are too secretive & warlike".
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Message 1945704 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 3:52:45 UTC

What Russia fears is what Russia made. It sold its front line weapons systems to little belligerent puppet governments that suddenly turned on them and bit mother Russia. These unstable governments then used these front line systems to terrorize their neighbors (including Russia). USA / NATO then had to counter these front line systems that had fallen into unstable hands. In the process they countered Russia's front line systems, which was never the intent. Now Russia feels the need to have better systems which do not have a counter.

If Russia had been smart and only sold obsolete systems to these unstable governments there would have been no need for USA / NATO to counter the front line systems and there would have been balance.

Note that USA / NATO does not sell its front line systems all over the world. They don't want Russia and China to feel threatened by small neighbors having access to front line systems. There is no conceivable reason for small governments to have need of such systems for their defense. They shouldn't be picking wars with China, USA, Russia or any other nuke country.

Now Russia has started an arms race again. Last time that happened the Soviet Union ceased. What will be the result and lesson this time? Will Russia learn the lesson?

Russia needs to be friends. Friends don't point weapons at each other in anger. But is must lose its paranoia or it will never have friends.
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Message 1945708 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 7:28:15 UTC
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It's the actions and inactions of ALL Governments with lies, deceit, greed and mistrust..There is no one Government to blame, it's all of them just like in our past history and I'm sure our future..

What I think would be great is if every leader on Earth at the same time, looked at our little blue planet together, then look around at the vastness of space..
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Message 1945710 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 8:07:04 UTC

The idiots of the U.S. war machine sell to one lot of idiots while the Russian war machine sells to the other lot idiots, so how do we get rid of all these idiots and who is the bigger idiot in the end?
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Message 1945712 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 8:25:52 UTC - in response to Message 1945710.  

The idiots of the U.S. war machine sell to one lot of idiots while the Russian war machine sells to the other lot idiots, so how do we get rid of all these idiots and who is the bigger idiot in the end?


There's a craft heading for the sun in August, maybe there's room for a few..
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Message 1945713 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 8:36:28 UTC

Vadim joined June 15 2018 and has racked up 388 posts in which most are just to stir the pot or on the pot (or he's thick)..
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Message 1945715 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 10:56:19 UTC - in response to Message 1945713.  
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Vadim joined June 15 2018 and has racked up 388 posts in which most are just to stir the pot or on the pot (or he's thick)..
Perhaps Vadim have drank too much of babushka's kompot
Coming to realise NATO's plot
That Russia will seize to exist on the spot
If NATO have weapons a lot.
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Message 1945722 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 13:48:48 UTC - in response to Message 1945709.  

The US sells weapons to Saudi Arabia for hundreds of billions of dollars.

Yes, but not FRONT LINE systems. They don't sell those to Japan either and Japan wants to buy and has cash.

The rest of your post attempting to equate criminal code to foreign policy falls.
Also while Russia doesn't have death penalty, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Texas
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Message 1945725 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 14:13:53 UTC
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Is a cat supposed to ever smile, except not meant for our Mark here either, like any others.

Or maybe checks and balances, for next that of an economic system only, when we rather could both trust and mistrust each other,
still for that of also a couple of Ideologies.

Reading in the national news that perhaps Mr. Putin could be invited to the United States, and next also the White House in the future,
except for still a need for an interpreter, or maybe two, being present.

Either seldom cost, for that of an event, except for not any Bay of pigs either, for that of events back in history, or even shoes being hammered in a desk,
next at only the United Nations.

Makes me think of still a death messenger, for also that of a message around, if not any two generals holding each hand, for that of a lively dance around.

Also the famous Russian melody as well, for that of a bottle of vodka, and eventually falling asleep, with still a bit of melody in your ears, for almost ringing a sound.

Starting up a bit slow, it turns up the heat during the way, except for perhaps not the big feast either, or possibly rather a thing which could be missing.

Perhaps only a substance as well, except not any meaning either, except for still not any Polka either, for much of the same.

Getting back to me right now, for that of both the National Security Agency, also the CIA as well, except for perhaps still not any John Bolton either,
for next only that of intelligence itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._Bolton

But next perhaps a question of where the hawks could perhaps be hiding.
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Message 1945731 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 15:20:49 UTC

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Message 1945743 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 16:30:33 UTC - in response to Message 1945730.  

FRONT LINE- what types of weapons belong to this system?

Not obsolete.
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Message 1945747 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 16:58:42 UTC
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http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/397087-gowdy-i-dont-think-mueller-probe-is-a-witch-hunt

Or perhaps John Kerry for president, if another and perhaps also better day, because here not the best one either on the subject,
and I will have to look around, for that of the rest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matryoshka_doll

Or even a handshake, when also a picture of a long range missile, on Red Square, for that of tensions in the past, which perhaps is not even a "dentente" any more either.

Translates perhaps wrong, but should not be a deadlock either, for that of something which could happen at times, when not any "en passant" for that of the same.

Except for perhaps still what you said, for also what you did, except for not any handshake either, when we know that the world could be full of diversity,
for also things also happening, like sometimes that of an event.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event

Perhaps not a good pair above, except for not the right place either, but if you think about a plane which was forced to land on an island, and next needed a ransom,
for that of a release, always the possibility of a hostile nation, except for only a couple of smiling faces, and also waiving hands as well, namely the Chinese.

Is it not right that perhaps a smack is not any kiss either, for also the opposite, except for still only friendship at times, when it could also be that of enemies,
for next also given hostility?

Perhaps still a joker for that of a game, but next also that of a president, for also a Presidency, when we could have at least two, or perhaps more.

Competition supposedly makes for productivity as well, if not any emphasizing either, for perhaps that of a subject, and still only for that of Politics.
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Message 1945752 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 18:13:18 UTC
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Vadim, I am not here for that of any Rhetoric either, when you also know how far we got since the last time, when it only was that of the Cold War,
for that of an era.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric

Pretend to make it volleyball instead, and perhaps no such thing as dirt throwing either, for that of any insults, or the like,
but if still comparing with the Chinese, could you next make it any Berlin Wall instead, for that of a couple of Ideologies?

First Glasnost, and next Perestroika, and my apologies if not spelling it correctly at first.

Perhaps still "Ready, steady, go", for next also set and go, and next only a cook for such, except for not any stalemate either,
for next also "detente", if not any "en passant" either, for next only a deadlock, if not any better word for this either, like perhaps stalemate.

Perhaps it is only about circumstances here, and next also for such a thing warranting, if not any actual, or present here, because I still could find it possible to
make it a similar thing for that of any inner-working of nature, for next also mankind, when we still only could be also guessing.
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Message 1945778 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 22:19:39 UTC - in response to Message 1945731.  

"Honest Vlad"
He certainly has been stealing money that belongs to the people.
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Message 1945780 - Posted: 21 Jul 2018, 22:29:38 UTC - in response to Message 1945778.  

"Honest Vlad"
He certainly has been stealing money that belongs to the people.

That is the most obvious reason Trump admires him.
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