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Message 1916266 - Posted: 1 Feb 2018, 11:01:58 UTC - in response to Message 1915632.  

That is what I am thinking here & the question is why are they are doing it? You all have a good argument here. I realize we all here to donate our time & our High-End PC for these projects & not all about credits but yes, you deserve credit, where it takes power to get it done some of us, have servers going or just one PC. Newbie me 643 Tasks done getting close to a 1,000 avg only 55 credits so yeah, I understand the sour taste in everyone mouth.

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Message 1916273 - Posted: 1 Feb 2018, 12:17:42 UTC

CreditNew v2

I hereby propose that Seti@home volunteers adopt for themselves CreditNew v2 whereby the true RAC for Seti@home from henceforth (until things change) shall be the current reported Credit or RAC multiplied by 10.

To calculate your new RAC or Credits per WU simply add a zero after all the reported credits or RAC so a Credit of 55 per WU is now 550 and a RAC of 4,526 is actually a RAC of 45,260.

You will immediately feel better and more valued after you apply CreditNew v2 to your existing Credits and RAC.

Disclaimer: Participation in CreditNew v2 is entirely voluntary and it may not work for everyone.
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Message 1916278 - Posted: 1 Feb 2018, 12:55:13 UTC - in response to Message 1916273.  

CreditNew v2

I hereby propose that Seti@home volunteers adopt for themselves CreditNew v2 whereby the true RAC for Seti@home from henceforth (until things change) shall be the current reported Credit or RAC multiplied by 10.

To calculate your new RAC or Credits per WU simply add a zero after all the reported credits or RAC so a Credit of 55 per WU is now 550 and a RAC of 4,526 is actually a RAC of 45,260.

You will immediately feel better and more valued after you apply CreditNew v2 to your existing Credits and RAC.

Disclaimer: Participation in CreditNew v2 is entirely voluntary and it may not work for everyone.

ROFLMAO. Good one!
I shall adopt your new credit scheme immediately.
There, I feel better already............

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Message 1916283 - Posted: 1 Feb 2018, 13:59:07 UTC

the bigger you have, the better you feel


lol
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Message 1916298 - Posted: 1 Feb 2018, 15:37:41 UTC - in response to Message 1916283.  

the bigger you have, the better you feel


lol
That's what sh.. oops... Sorry, that one almost slipped out... ;-)

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Message 1916386 - Posted: 2 Feb 2018, 0:15:33 UTC
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I guess a number of us gents would probably just look down at the floor, shuffle our feet and mumble something incoherent? :-)

or maybe just chuckle and smile possibly? It depends on ones sense of humor I suppose, but as it's all in good fun, I would hope no one would take offense.

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Message 1916569 - Posted: 3 Feb 2018, 1:04:25 UTC

I just discovered something interesting over at GPUGrid.net. Apparently that project has two different credit award mechanisms in place at the same time. Didn't think that was possible but Richard says it all depends on how savvy the BOINC software developer was for the project. GPUGrid.net awards cpu tasks via the CreditScrew mechanism but uses a fixed credit mechanism for gpu tasks.

Certainly suggests some interesting possibilities here at Seti@home.
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Message 1916571 - Posted: 3 Feb 2018, 1:06:00 UTC - in response to Message 1916569.  

DA will never go for it...
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Message 1916574 - Posted: 3 Feb 2018, 1:15:47 UTC - in response to Message 1916569.  

I just discovered something interesting over at GPUGrid.net. Apparently that project has two different credit award mechanisms in place at the same time. Didn't think that was possible but Richard says it all depends on how savvy the BOINC software developer was for the project. GPUGrid.net awards cpu tasks via the CreditScrew mechanism but uses a fixed credit mechanism for gpu tasks.

Certainly suggests some interesting possibilities here at Seti@home.

Just going back to the previous method would take care of it without one system for 1 computing device and another system for a different computing device, and another system for yet another computing device...
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Message 1916811 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 4:22:51 UTC
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Guys, just set up my daughters new computer to crunch for SETI, because, well, why not? I was going thru the steps noted above that were recommended for Lucky, got it all installed, and this is what I get when it starts:

|2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | | cc_config.xml not found - using defaults
2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.8.3 for windows_x86_64
2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.47.1 OpenSSL/1.0.2g zlib/1.2.8
2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | | Running under account CC
2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 980 Ti (driver version 390.77, CUDA version 9.1, compute capability 5.2, 4096MB, 3065MB available, 7271 GFLOPS peak)
2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 980 Ti (driver version 390.77, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 6144MB, 3065MB available, 7271 GFLOPS peak)
2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700 CPU @ 3.40GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 5.2.0.10094, device version OpenCL 2.0 (Build 10094))
2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | SETI@home | Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | | Host name: PC-4-School
2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | | Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700 CPU @ 3.40GHz [Family 6 Model 94 Stepping 3]
2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movebe popcnt aes f16c rdrandsyscall nx lm avx avx2 vmx smx tm2 pbe fsgsbase bmi1 hle smep bmi2
2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | | OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Professional x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | | Memory: 15.95 GB physical, 31.90 GB virtual
2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | | Disk: 446.78 GB total, 354.00 GB free
2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | | Local time is UTC -6 hours
2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | SETI@home | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 8454746; resource share 100
2/3/2018 10:13:37 PM | SETI@home | General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 03-Apr-2013 23:59:56)
2/3/2018 10:13:37 PM | SETI@home | Computer location: home
2/3/2018 10:13:37 PM | SETI@home | General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
2/3/2018 10:13:37 PM | | Preferences:
2/3/2018 10:13:37 PM | | max memory usage when active: 8167.66 MB
2/3/2018 10:13:37 PM | | max memory usage when idle: 15518.56 MB
2/3/2018 10:13:37 PM | | max disk usage: 100.00 GB
2/3/2018 10:13:37 PM | | (to change preferences, visit a project web site or select Preferences in the Manager)
2/3/2018 10:15:50 PM | SETI@home | update requested by user
2/3/2018 10:15:53 PM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
2/3/2018 10:15:53 PM | SETI@home | Not requesting tasks: "no new tasks" requested via Manager
2/3/2018 10:15:55 PM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed
2/3/2018 10:17:30 PM | SETI@home | work fetch resumed by user


Anything look unusual, or might be optimized better than the newer app_config that Zalster recommended for his machine? Been a while since I played around with the SOG command line configs, so figured I'd toss it out to the experts.

*edit* Just checked after it's first request for tasks, got about a dozen for the GPU, none yet for the CPU, but I'm sure they're coming. Noticed that it is only running one task on the GPU, is that recommended for the 980Ti?

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Message 1916812 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 4:33:38 UTC - in response to Message 1916811.  

2/3/2018 10:13:32 PM | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700 CPU @ 3.40GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 5.2.0.10094, device version OpenCL 2.0 (Build 10094))

I'd make sure iGPU crunching is disabled. Running WUs on the iGPU is a great way to slow down crunching output.
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Message 1916814 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 4:46:14 UTC - in response to Message 1916812.  

Crap, didn't see that, swore it was disabled. Will check now, is it possible to show up here as existing, even with it disabled? Or should it not show unless it's enabled?

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Message 1916828 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 5:18:39 UTC - in response to Message 1916814.  

Will check now, is it possible to show up here as existing, even with it disabled?

Yep.
As long as it's disabled (not selected) in your Seti@home preferences, it won't get any work.
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Message 1916830 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 5:22:10 UTC - in response to Message 1916811.  
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Anything look unusual, or might be optimized better than the newer app_config that Zalster recommended for his machine?

You need to exit & restart BOINC, or just Options, read config file, for the app_config.xml settings to take effect.
The results returned so far appear to be running with the default values.


Looks like it's cache has filled, just in time to. Almost out of files to split.
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Message 1916831 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 5:26:55 UTC

The Client needs to be stopped and restarted for it to pick up the Seti@home preferences where you toggle off the Use Intel GPU option.
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Message 1916832 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 5:31:04 UTC - in response to Message 1916811.  

Anything look unusual, or might be optimized better than the newer app_config that Zalster recommended for his machine? Been a while since I played around with the SOG command line configs, so figured I'd toss it out to the experts.


What kind of 980Ti is it? The more task you run per card, the hotter it's going to get. So if it's only a single fan, then I'd leave it at 1 task, if it's 2 or 3 fan then you could do 2 task. But the noise level is going to go up and the amount of heat increases as well. Are you going to run CPU task as well?
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Message 1916857 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 12:49:55 UTC

Its an ASrock based MicroCenter computer, and tried doing the BIOS update within the BIOS screen last night. It hung up during the download, and as I know how easy it is to brick a system board with borked update, and couldn't tell if it was working in the background or not, I let it try and finish up over night. Came down this morning, and it was still in the same place, so powered it down and up, came up fine, no damage done. Whew!

Went back into the BIOS screen, and didn't see a place to turn off the iGPU, only choice was to set my primary as that or PCI-E, which it was. I don't believe I selected it in the installation, and it doesn't appear to be running any tasks looking at the task manager, just the 980. As to the card, it has 2 fans on it, and realized after getting it completely disassembled yesterday afternoon/evening, that it has the ACX 2.0 cooling on it, because I have a couple EVGA 980 Hybrid kits that I had bought a year or so ago to convert some of my 980's to liquid and found out that the blower style heatsink/shrouds that I had also bought at the same time, didn't fit.

Started searching Google and quickly realized that the ACX 2.0 board isn't a standard config, has a power header at the back of the card that interfered, as well as some caps or something next to the GPU that are standing up instead of laying down which also caused interference issues. So, ended up putting it all back together, 3+ hours wasted when it was all said and done.

I've rebooted it obviously since I posted the first couple, so hopefully it has picked up on the changes. Checking out the Precision software, I have the fan cranked up, and it's running that one task at between 46-48 degrees, which isn't exactly cool, but isn't over the top either, especially since I bumped up the clocks on it to boot. Says it is running .04 CPU's on the GPU task, and running 8 tasks at a time on the CPU. Is this the version (SOG) that requires one core reserved for each task? I'd like to try bumping it up to doing 2 tasks at a time on it, but fuzzy on the config parameters.

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Message 1916883 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 16:10:10 UTC - in response to Message 1916857.  
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Hey! AI this is what is in my app_config.xml I am running this on Intel CPU/ Nvidia GPU
Now part of this is Zalster & Keith Meyers many thanks to them both. I got to start to learn how to script mind melting as I am trying to learn this. I am running this because my CPU & GPU stay at 60 degrees. Cool-Master Case 7 fans & a ceiling fan in my room nah! not getting hot at all. How-ever I agree with Zalster about "HEAT" to watch out for.


<app_config>
<app_version>
<app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
<plan_class>opencl_nvidia_SoG</plan_class>
<avg_ncpus>1</avg_ncpus>
<ngpus>1</ngpus>
<cmdline>-sbs 1024 -period_iterations_num 1 -tt 1500 -high_perf -spike_fft_thresh 4096 -tune 1 64 1 4 -oclfft_tune_gr 256 -oclfft_tune_lr 16 -oclfft_tune_wg 256 -oclfft_tune_ls 512 -oclfft_tune_bn 64 -oclfft_tune_cw 64 -high_prec_timer</cmdline>
</app_version>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse_v7</app_name>
<plan_class>opencl_nvidia_100</plan_class>
<avg_ncpus>1</avg_ncpus>
<ngpus>0.5</ngpus>
<cmdline>-unroll 28 -oclFFT_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 12288 -ffa_block_fetch 6144 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1 -hp </cmdline>
</app_version>
<project_max_concurrent>7</project_max_concurrent>
</app_config>

My time is way better around something like this.
Run time 6 min 20 sec
CPU time 6 min 14 sec
RAC has increased for sure.

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Message 1916887 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 17:02:10 UTC
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Al,

try this, 980Ti should handle more aggressive tuning

<app_config>
  <app_version>
    <app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
    <plan_class>opencl_nvidia_SoG</plan_class>
    <avg_ncpus>1</avg_ncpus>
    <ngpus>1</ngpus>
    <cmdline>-sbs 1024 -period_iterations_num 1 -hp -high_prec_timer -high_perf -tt 1500</cmdline>
  </app_version>
   <app_version>
    <app_name>astropulse_v7</app_name>
    <plan_class>opencl_nvidia_100</plan_class>
    <avg_ncpus>1</avg_ncpus>
    <ngpus>1</ngpus>
    <cmdline>-unroll 28 -oclFFT_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 12288 -ffa_block_fetch 6144 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1 -hp </cmdline>
  </app_version>
<project_max_concurrent>6</project_max_concurrent>
</app_config>

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