Your fixation would be outrageously hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

So now your changing your tune? Where is Gary's name mentioned in your statement:

Much more difficult when posters in these forums and around the world. Support the present and future murder and enslavement of the North Korean people.

You've accused many yet when taken to task over such accusations, you reply by naming an individual, again without any legitimate evidence. However, as mentioned already, you provide better entertainment than even the 2 Ronnies or Dick Emery could not provide :-)

Sorry... Does the following support or attack Kim?

"100% of his subjects are willing to suicide to protect him [Kim]."
"Except in the DPRK that revolution, when Kim's dad starved them, didn't happen and they now have a thriving advanced economy totally dedicated to destroying the bully USA."

Or do you believe that Kim is not a murderer and enslaver.

Clyde, where the HE double hockey sticks is it mentioned above that "murder and enslavement" is supported? Where are the words murder and enslavement?

As Bernie said, you are putting words into peoples mouths. And I believe you are spouting fantasy not reality.

Siran

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Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Bernie...

Your belief that if the Korean Border was open. Meaning that the North Korean people would not be murdered for crossing. Would not result in an mass exodus.

Where did I say that. Currently the people of North Korea only know what they are told and live in a society where the believe what they are told.

If they found out what was really happening, I have absolultly no idea what would happen, but I suspect it would not be good.

Your belief that if their was truly free elections, free speech, freedom of association, freedom of the press in North Korea. That the people would choose Kim.

I am sure everyone will marvel at you deductive powers!!! Where on earth did you get that idea. I was trying to explain to you what the North Korean people believe because that is what they are told to believe.

If there were fair and free elections and people able to cross into South Korea, the Kim dynasty would cease to exist, which is why he fights so hard to keep things running his way.

PS Sorry, missed this.

As far as we in the west are aware yes Kim runs North Korea as a tyrannical dictator, those who do not agree and sometimes those he does not like are almost certainly killed on his orders. and yes he keeps his people enslaved to his will.

I do not believe anyone here disagrees with that, except perphaps you.

Is Kim a Murderer and Enslaver?

He's just as bad as Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. So looking at it from that angle, it's USA 4 NOKO 3. Who is worse?

Is Kim a Murderer and Enslaver?

Yes he is but that does not excuse your strawman attacks in these fora.

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So now your changing your tune? Where is Gary's name mentioned in your statement:

Much more difficult when posters in these forums and around the world. Support the present and future murder and enslavement of the North Korean people.

You've accused many yet when taken to task over such accusations, you reply by naming an individual, again without any legitimate evidence. However, as mentioned already, you provide better entertainment than even the 2 Ronnies or Dick Emery could not provide :-)

Sorry... Does the following support or attack Kim?

"100% of his subjects are willing to suicide to protect him [Kim]."
"Except in the DPRK that revolution, when Kim's dad starved them, didn't happen and they now have a thriving advanced economy totally dedicated to destroying the bully USA."

Or do you believe that Kim is not a murderer and enslaver.

Clyde, where the HE double hockey sticks is it mentioned above that "murder and enslavement" is supported? Where are the words murder and enslavement?

As Bernie said, you are putting words into peoples mouths. And I believe you are spouting fantasy not reality.

Siran

Enjoying the necessity of my repeating this question and no answer:

Is Kim a Murderer and Enslaver?

Clyde, that is NOT the issue here. The issue is that you claim that Gary and others support murder and enslavement. As fracking usual, you twist the issue to better serve your spews.

L8er dude!

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

It seems that he just likes playing word games.

What he says has little substance when broken down, it is just rehashes of old post to try and prove a point.

No idea why.

It seems that he just likes playing word games.

What he says has little substance when broken down, it is just rehashes of old post to try and prove a point.

No idea why.

OCD?

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It seems that he just likes playing word games.

What he says has little substance when broken down, it is just rehashes of old post to try and prove a point.

No idea why.

Yep, that's Clyde alright (I've been saying that for years now) and I reckon it's just so that he can be the center of attention here because he can't be in the real world.

Just ignoring him and his childish posts rants works for me. ;-)

Cheers.

It has been noticed that there has been negative references to what job or position a poster held

This is of course inflammatory and against the rules when used in this way

"No messages intended to annoy or antagonise other people, or to hijack a thread."

If you cannot argue your point without negative references to other forum posters perhaps you should reconsider what you are about to post.

Thank you.

If he does launch another. Then what?

He can launch all he wants. Do nothing.

If the trajectory looks hostile... then what is the real question.

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If he does launch another. Then what?

If it passes through the missile defense 'envelope' of Japan or the US, I would expect a 'shoot down'.

This expectation is based on the premise that neither country wishes DPRK to develop a successful re-entry shield. What might prevent a 'shoot down' is the possibility of a failure, which would cause a wind storm of negative publicity aimed at anti missile defense programs and strategies.

Whether that chain of events would precipitate a strike against DPRK nuclear and missile development programs is a result not to be discounted.

Another strategy I heard raised yesterday was that of China and Russia not really wanting to interfere with DPRK even if they become extremely aggressive, this in the hope that they would be successful in hitting the US with several nukes and being sacrificed in the process.

The end game here being the hope that even though no one else becomes involved, and the Korean Peninsula is totally destroyed, there is enough damage done to the US that it would become in effect a third world country while tending to it's wounds. Thus leaving the world to be divided between Putin and Xi whether economically or militarily.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

It has been noticed that there has been negative references to what job or position a poster held

I Have DUG DITCHES fO a Livin'. I've Got LOTS O Shovel Time. Still Shovel. Today I Did 'bout 5 Hours of Shoveling.

Makes Me Feel Like a REAL AMERICAN.

Hands; Back; Arms; Legs; Workin' Like a mO fO.

Shake My Hand, and YOU WILL FEEL dA POWER.

45er POWER

BIG BUTTON Don has OUR BACKs and Weeeee dA Weeeee Peoples of U S of A, Have His.

Time To SHUT dA Yap of NOKO. BUTTON Time.

CRUSH with My Hands and CRUSHING Yap

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

This is better than watching old reruns of the 3 Stooges. LOL

Cheers.

This is better than watching old reruns of the 3 Stooges. LOL

After a challenging day at work where there wasn't time for breaks or lunch, to find this, very entertaining.

Ob: Now expect Little Rocket Man to send that next ICBM on a course towards the South East Pacific and put some distance under it. Maybe he will target the Pitcairn Islands.

Or.......the Great Barrier Reef.........just to make a point.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Hmmm. Kim's target is not Australia.
http://www.ecfr.eu/publications/summary/pre_empting_defeat_in_search_of_north_koreas_nuclear_doctrine

The end game here being the hope that even though no one else becomes involved, and the Korean Peninsula is totally destroyed, there is enough damage done to the US that it would become in effect a third world country while tending to it's wounds. Thus leaving the world to be divided between Putin and Xi whether economically or militarily.

Imo Kim does not have enough fire power to do that, 2nd world possibly but unlikely. It is a fact Korea would not survive and Japan problematical.

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Interesting opinion that Putin and Xi, two leaders of lawless and expanding empires. Would 'sacrifice' the Korean peninsula to remove the only obstacle to their dividing world domination.

No. Thats wrong.
Both Putin and Xi has left the building in NK.
For the very much same reason as all other countries in the world has.
Are there any other that would 'sacrifice' the Korean peninsula?
I'm watching the "The Vietnam war".
http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-vietnam-war/home/
There are very many similarities to what happen in Korea right now.

Is this a China response to what happens in NK?
President Xi Jinping has issued a blunt call for China's military to be ready for war and unafraid to die defending the country, as geopolitical tensions mount in Asia.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/dont-fear-death-chinas-xi-urges-blunt-call-053428970.html