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Message 2000136 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 18:38:22 UTC - in response to Message 2000130.  

Avoiding the question again. Do you believe that both you & America are far superior to the rest of the world?
Yes or no?
LOL:)
To many Americans America is the World.
Other things like Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia are white spots on their map.
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Message 2000139 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 18:50:56 UTC - in response to Message 2000135.  

Having Government Authority compel an individual to vote if, for political, social, religious or other reason they don't wish to.Is anathema to any belief in Individual Liberty.
That's f***g ridiculous . You cannot build societies or communities on such presumptions!
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Message 2000140 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 18:52:59 UTC - in response to Message 2000135.  

Therefore, exercising ones freedom to vote or not vote. Is exercising an individual's freedom of opinion and is the bases of our Individual Rights as enumerated in our Constitution. It is not Anti-Constitution.
So therefor it's OK when less then the half of the population not even showing up on election day with the right to give a blank vote?
The biggest party will be "Don't blame me because I didn't voted".

Dear moomin,

Individual's decisions are their decisions. I wish they would vote.

Having Government Authority compel an individual to vote if, for political, social, religious or other reason they don't wish to.
This is not a sentence, what is it?
Is anathema to any belief in Individual Liberty.

This is not a sentence, what is it?
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Message 2000142 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 18:59:04 UTC - in response to Message 2000137.  
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Avoiding the question again. Do you believe that both you & America are far superior to the rest of the world?
Yes or no?
LOL:)
To many Americans America is the World.
Other things like Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia are white spots on their map.

Is an infection that many people in the Country's of Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia, North America, South America and those I haven't mentioned.
Blin:) There are countries very next to me that also have that narrow view of the world like the US. LOL:)
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Message 2000143 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 19:00:31 UTC - in response to Message 2000134.  

Does not, nor has ever meant that one side is superior or inferior.

Do you really believe that differences of opinions means one side is superior and one side is inferior?

Yes or no?

Sincerely, Clyde "Liberal"
It seems you believe the answer to be yes hence your use of "primitive countries"
I suppose that you will now claim that I misquoted you. :-)
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Message 2000145 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 19:11:39 UTC - in response to Message 2000143.  


Translation. C'est qu'ils sont fous, ces Americains:)
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Message 2000148 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 19:26:17 UTC - in response to Message 2000144.  

Speaking of voting and non voting rights.
The USA's view that individual rights, as enumerated in the Constitution. Is narrow?
Ok. I will narrow it down.
Let's say you move to a gated community. One day the community says that there are changes coming on that will affect you, good or bad, and they want your vote on that. Now what response would you give or perhaps you don't respond at all?
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Message 2000152 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 19:42:51 UTC

voting systems and counting, so much fun.

1000 registered.
75% quorum
Lout A 200 votes
Lout B 199 votes
Lout C 198 votes
Who is elected?

None of the above is elected.

1000 registered
75% quorum
Lout A 200 votes
Lout B 199 votes
Lout C 198 votes
blank 197 votes
Is Lout A is elected?

A only got 25% of the vote.
Is the election rule 50%+1 of cast?
Is the election rule most cast?

Voting should be mandatory, just like jury duty. Don't do it, see the judge.
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Message 2000153 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 19:42:54 UTC - in response to Message 2000147.  
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And some in the USA believe the Irish are..., and the Swede's are..., and the French are..., and the (Fill-in the Country) are.I don't share their view's.
Me neither.
However Trump the Genius from Karlstad...
He manage to increase the news media ratings though:)
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Message 2000160 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 20:04:15 UTC - in response to Message 2000149.  

As I said regarding Government Election's. All should vote.
But they can't be compelled in a Country that defends Individual Rights.
Yes. But why don't so many Americans vote? Because of "It's my legal right to be ignorant" or " I really don't care, do u"?
Is it illegal in the US to give a blank vote?
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Message 2000162 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 20:23:44 UTC - in response to Message 2000161.  

Hehe:)
We have the Donald Duck Party as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Duck_Party
But I think the Homer Simpson party are coming in strong...
“Blame It on Lisa”:)
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Message 2000181 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 22:34:27 UTC - in response to Message 2000161.  

Since the Government cannot compel people to vote, nor limit their vote to who is on the ballot.

Perhaps in Florida they don't limit, but in other states you can only vote for candidates that are eligible [filed paperwork - paid fees], anyone else is "not counted" sometimes called an "under vote."
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Message 2000183 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 22:44:06 UTC

I don't understand that a government can't compel voting. Of course it can. It compels citizens to register for the draft. It compels citizens to perform Jury duty. It compels people to obey subpoenas. It compels people to obey laws. So why can't a government compel voting? Never mind there are many governments around the world who do, so obviously they can.

In the USA the government can't tax you to vote. But the opposite isn't true. It can tax you if you don't vote!
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Message 2000186 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 23:08:25 UTC - in response to Message 2000167.  

Hehe:)
We have the Donald Duck Party as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Duck_Party
But I think the Homer Simpson party are coming in strong...
“Blame It on Lisa”:)

Do you agree with me that Homer might be a better President than the present one?
:-D :-D :-D
Maybe. And with some appointments and aids from the Flintstones and the Al Bundy family we are home free:)
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Message 2000199 - Posted: 29 Jun 2019, 0:21:21 UTC - in response to Message 2000183.  
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I don't understand that a government can't compel voting. Of course it can. It compels citizens to register for the draft. It compels citizens to perform Jury duty. It compels people to obey subpoenas. It compels people to obey laws. So why can't a government compel voting? Never mind there are many governments around the world who do, so obviously they can.

In the USA the government can't tax you to vote. But the opposite isn't true. It can tax you if you don't vote!

The State governments should make it into an opportunity, by following the Australian example and handing out small fines to those that don't vote. If in Texas 20% of the Voting Age Population were fined $10 then the income would be ~$40 million, and they possibly would have second thoughts on suppressing voter registration of the non-white population. (We all know the true god in the US is the $)

https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/historical/70-92.shtml
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Message 2000202 - Posted: 29 Jun 2019, 0:30:39 UTC - in response to Message 2000183.  
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Compulsory voting? From a self-identified Libertarian? (Well, that was how you voted at least.) Not that it's the first stance I've seen that would put you at odds with "mainstream" libertarians. But I digress...

In a properly functioning democracy, voters won't need to be compelled. They will vote because they feel that their vote will count and that voting is important. The very low turnout at U..S. federal elections should be sending a message that voters no longer care and reforms are needed. (I say "should" because there certainly are some vested interests that are encouraging low voter turnout.) Some possible reasons:

Electronic voting: a paperless voting machine can lose or change thousands of votes without any verifiable trace. Thousands of people patiently waiting for hours to vote (sometimes taking time off work...) all wasted; their votes are now worthless. It's common knowledge that these machines are usually insecure, prone to failure, easily tampered with and usually run by people who know very little about their inner workings. I personally would not ever vote if that was my only option.

Superdelegates etc.: Remember what happened to Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primaries? He didn't win the Democratic nomination because it was already pre-determined that Hillary was going to be the candidate... who cares what the people chose. I wonder how many voters decided they had had enough at that point.

Inconvenience: There are usually not enough polling stations resulting in long lineups, for a process that doesn't require this at all. For example Washington state now has vote-by-mail statewide using secure hand-counted paper ballots (as well as polling stations.) Why isn't this national? Again we come back to a fragmented system of fifty sets of laws and policies yet for one federal election.

Ennui/stalemate/partisanship: The U.S. is regionally polarized enough that elections are usually decided by a couple of swing states, leaving two almost evenly matched houses. In such conditions it's very difficult to get any meaningful legislation passed. Voters don't feel anything will change, so they may as well stay home.

I'm sure others can think of many more...
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Message 2000204 - Posted: 29 Jun 2019, 0:39:06 UTC



Kinda sums it up.........

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Message 2000206 - Posted: 29 Jun 2019, 1:15:00 UTC - in response to Message 2000202.  

Compulsory voting? From a self-identified Libertarian? (Well, that was how you voted at least.) Not that it's the first stance I've seen that would put you at odds with "mainstream" libertarians. But I digress...
Perhaps, but perhaps if "abstain" and "none of the above" were also choices on the ballot they might not be so divergent.
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California's vote by mail.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article215115160.html
California voters will save themselves a few stamps after Gov. Jerry Brown on Wednesday signed a measure requiring elections officials to provide prepaid mail ballots in future elections.

Superdelegates are a democrat party invention. If you don't like them, then don't be part of that party. Or work inside that party to change their internal rules. There are no government rules about how parties select their candidates. The only government rules are for general elections. There are states where there isn't an election but a caucus. That is a huge time waster as everybody has to stay for hours to get a result. So only the special interests who have big money at stake or retired people who have nothing else to do show up to caucus.

As to a small fine for not voting, the voter suppression efforts would swing from hindrance on election day to hindrance in getting registered in the first place and ways invented to remove voters from registration. Some form of automatic lifetime registration will be needed.

My thought is put a quorum of at least 75% in place. That will force candidates to go center so as to not piss off too many voters. Make those blank, abstain and none of the above count, so the required is 50%+1 of the total including them. Again it will force candidates to the center so that they don't piss off too many voters.

We have a census that is supposed to count everyone. If we have a poll it should also count everyone. Yes there are a lot of "libertarians" who think the government doesn't have a right to know that you exist. Or should they be called "anarchists?"
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Message 2000743 - Posted: 3 Jul 2019, 11:47:47 UTC

Says it all, considering the originator.
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