tRump's Hissy Fit

BTW if you know it is a waste of time, why do you continue with it?
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." Anyone for the 25th?

<ed>Just like deportation solves the problem.

Well as the majority of us know Trump just wants the longest shutdown in history to belong to him, but anyway.

Trump walks out of border wall meeting, prolonging government shutdown.

Trump isn't partial to facts when lies work better.

Trump’s desperate plea to end America’s ‘cycle of human suffering’.

Twitter baffled by Trump’s bizarre medal display during Oval Office speech. They were likely taken from some poor sod.

Trump revives threats to withhold FEMA funds from California fire recovery. Yeah right, when more than half of the California's forests are owned and managed by federal agencies that Trump cut funding to.

And the B.S. continues.

Trump calls border wall a 'medieval solution' that works and the Republicans "are totally unified" behind his hardline strategy. Even though some have come forward stating otherwise.

He's certainly feeding the mushrooms out there that's for sure.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Yep B.S. seems better to some than the actual truth.

ROFLMFAO!!!!!

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Yep B.S. seems better to some than the actual truth.

ROFLMFAO!!!!!

Color A is all good, Color B is all crap, has seemed to work for many centuries, don't see any truth in it, so B.S. rules.

Regarding Mr. Trump's beloved wall:

I have not been included in cabinet meetings on the subject, so I don't have the figures or logistics, but it just seems like to me, that technology - drones, video surveillance, etc. - would be more cost effective than the extremely expensive and complicated construction of a physical barrier.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

Trump wants his wall, but is there any evidence that it is needed? Even Trump, today, made the admission, that the numbers trying to enter, without the required paperwork, are down, further undermining his perceived requirement.
All the numbers he quotes are lies or taken out of context, and that is backed up by government departments and sometimes by his own cabinet.

So isn't it logical for the Dems to object to wasting your tax money on a wall that is not required and has little chance of been completed while he is in office, even if he gets a second term. There are dozens of eminent domain cases still outstanding from George W's 2007 fence building exercise. Building a wall of concrete or steel is a lot different to a fence, it will require a road, concrete mixing facilities etc before it is actually built.
Will there be any gates in it for use by property owners whose land has been divided?
A environmental impact assessment needs to be conducted, "what happens to the run-off when there is a storm". And it will have to include monitoring equipment and presumably manned bases for any reaction force and repair and maintenance.

If I was a member of the Dems, I would insist on detailed plans to be submitted long before allocation of significant funding. And I bet the detailed plans haven't even been started yet.

So in your words the Dems are not "stomping their feet, yelling and finally pouting"., the only one throwing a tantrum is the orange one.

If I was a member of the Dems, I would insist on detailed plans to be submitted long before allocation of significant funding. And I bet the detailed plans haven't even been started yet.

Yep an EIS study would be very appropriate.

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Trump wants his wall, but is there any evidence that it is needed? Even Trump, today, made the admission, that the numbers trying to enter, without the required paperwork, are down, further undermining his perceived requirement.
All the numbers he quotes are lies or taken out of context, and that is backed up by government departments and sometimes by his own cabinet.

So isn't it logical for the Dems to object to wasting your tax money on a wall that is not required and has little chance of been completed while he is in office, even if he gets a second term. There are dozens of eminent domain cases still outstanding from George W's 2007 fence building exercise. Building a wall of concrete or steel is a lot different to a fence, it will require a road, concrete mixing facilities etc before it is actually built.
Will there be any gates in it for use by property owners whose land has been divided?
A environmental impact assessment needs to be conducted, "what happens to the run-off when there is a storm". And it will have to include monitoring equipment and presumably manned bases for any reaction force and repair and maintenance.

If I was a member of the Dems, I would insist on detailed plans to be submitted long before allocation of significant funding. And I bet the detailed plans haven't even been started yet.

So in your words the Dems are not "stomping their feet, yelling and finally pouting"., the only one throwing a tantrum is the orange one.

All excellent points that seem to have slipped past some in here.
Call me a +1

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

Trump wants his wall, but is there any evidence that it is needed? Even Trump, today, made the admission, that the numbers trying to enter, without the required paperwork, are down, further undermining his perceived requirement.
All the numbers he quotes are lies or taken out of context, and that is backed up by government departments and sometimes by his own cabinet.

So isn't it logical for the Dems to object to wasting your tax money on a wall that is not required and has little chance of been completed while he is in office, even if he gets a second term. There are dozens of eminent domain cases still outstanding from George W's 2007 fence building exercise. Building a wall of concrete or steel is a lot different to a fence, it will require a road, concrete mixing facilities etc before it is actually built.
Will there be any gates in it for use by property owners whose land has been divided?
A environmental impact assessment needs to be conducted, "what happens to the run-off when there is a storm". And it will have to include monitoring equipment and presumably manned bases for any reaction force and repair and maintenance.

If I was a member of the Dems, I would insist on detailed plans to be submitted long before allocation of significant funding. And I bet the detailed plans haven't even been started yet.

So in your words the Dems are not "stomping their feet, yelling and finally pouting"., the only one throwing a tantrum is the orange one.

All excellent points that seem to have slipped past some in here.
Call me a +1

I'll +2 that.

But it won't matter to the mushrooms.

If I was a member of the Dems, I would insist on detailed plans to be submitted long before allocation of significant funding. And I bet the detailed plans haven't even been started yet.

Yep an EIS study would be very appropriate.

Since "the base" rejects AGW, they also reject EIS.

99% of all smuggling into the USA happens in arms length of a CPB or ICE officer at a port of entry.

What, you thought humans jumping the fence brought it in? HA! More than 1000 tons a day crosses. Assume a man can carry a 50 pound pack. That is 40,000 human loads a day. No there aren't that many crossings a day, and most of the crossings aren't drug mules but people looking for a job.

Total 100% waste of cash. Spend it on more ATV's and agents. Nearly every foot of the border is already electronically monitored. We just don't have enough agents to catch every crossing that is detected.

Even better is reform the racist laws and let the people who want a job in by getting a medical clearance, run a criminal check, have them pay a processing fee, collect fingerprints, iris scan, facial scan, DNA make sure they have enough cash for a month and give them an ITIN and let them in. Doing so will stop far more illegal crossings than any wall ever could. Also it will let the few agents we have chase after the only illegal crosser left, the drug cartels.

How stupid is "the base" anyway?

How stupid is "the base" anyway?

Very stupid, they don't want to solve a problem they want to fight against citizens that they don't like. The border is just collateral damage.

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How stupid is "the base" anyway?

Very stupid, they don't want to solve a problem they want to fight against citizens that they don't like. The border is just collateral damage.

They're mushrooms. ;-)

... technology - drones, video surveillance, etc. - would be more cost effective than the extremely expensive and complicated construction of a physical barrier.

Even if a wall is built, the same level of technology will be needed anyway or it will be immediately breached whether with ladders or dynamite. It would have to be continuously monitored electronically, as a wall that long would otherwise need ten thousand or so paid government employees watching it 24x7. So either the technology or employees would then make the wall itself unnecessary.

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What are the Democrat Party's proposals to secure the border?

The Democrats voted last week for $1.3B in border security.
Includes physical barriers and technology on the border.

Perhaps the government shutdown will cost more than the wall when built.
In late 2017, analysts projected a government shutdown would cost the U.S. economy $6.5 billion per week. Standard & Poor's came up with the estimate in a report titled, "With a U.S. Government Shutdown, There Will Be Blood."
https://www.spglobal.com/en/research-insights/articles/With-A-US-Government-Shutdown-There-Will-Be-Blood

So isn't it logical for the Dems to object to wasting your tax money on a wall that is not required and has little chance of been completed while he is in office, even if he gets a second term.

......which raises the question of why those very same Dims had no problem with spending up to 5 times the amount The President has requested, no less that 3 times in the last decade, the latest being in 2013?

The difference is the Trump label.

Period.

As to why Putin can build a wall 'cheaper' he doesn't have to pay Union scale for labor, and doesn't have to acquire hundreds of miles of private land at prevailing prices(even when condemned), for construction, access and 'right of way'. Since there is no 'private land' it's all 'the peoples' land.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

The Democrat Party's unwillingness to increase funding for border security and Trump are the problem.

I think it's more of the problem how to secure borders that differs between the Republicans and the Democrats.
The Wall won't stop criminals to enter the US.
The Wall won't stop drugs flowing in to the US.
The DEA says "The majority of the flow is through POVs entering the US at legal ports of entry...", not remote stretches of the border.
Trump says it's national crisis and note that 266,000 total arrests in 2017 and 2018 where illegal aliens with a criminal record.
Yes. Most for non-voilent offenses and 80,000 traffic offenses.
Why can't Trump say like his son Trump Jr. did recently at Instagram?
"You know why you can enjoy a day at the zoo? Because walls work," Trump Jr.

"You know why you can enjoy a day at the zoo? Because walls work," Trump Jr.

Because mistreating other living creatures works!