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Message 1907116 - Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 0:49:52 UTC
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First you have Trump.

Now you have Ajit Pai with:


FCC douses America's net neutrality in gas, tosses over a lit match
Watchdog's clown, er, chairman debases policymaking in the United States

5 reasons why America's Ctrl-Z on net neutrality rules is a GOOD thing
Shut your whining, it's going to be great


You next get Tzar Putin in person.




So... In the supposed land of the supposed free... How can such a travesty come to pass on the (corrupt) whim of just one person and any pretence of democracy blatantly in-yer-face be blatantly ignored?

All in the land of the greedy ignorant?

The test is how long the present fiasco stands... (Gobsmacking such silliness has gone so far!)

Really? Ajit Pai knows better than all those that have MADE and use the internet?...


Who and for how much has been bought?

This even Trumps Putin!


Only in Amerika? The new Tzarist state of the new Russian Federation?

UNBELIEVABLE.


The internet be damned: More seriously...

This is the death of any pretence of Amerikan supposed democracy.


To ALL Americans: What are YOU going to do about it?
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Message 1907122 - Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 1:18:37 UTC - in response to Message 1907116.  

To ALL Americans: What are YOU going to do about it?

It is possible that the dispute in the United States has not yet been completed. Attorney General of New York Eric Schneiderman believes that the decision violates the law and says he will dispute it.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/14/new-york-attorney-general-schneiderman-will-sue-over-net-neutrality.html
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Message 1907126 - Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 1:26:43 UTC
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Just in case anyone has missed the Ajit Pai fiasco and what he is destroying/enslaving/exploiting/monetizing:


US regulator scraps net neutrality rules that protect open internet
Decision a major victory for FCC chair and Trump appointee Ajit Pai

Critics warn plan will hand control of the web to big cable companies



The Internet Is Dying. Repealing Net Neutrality Hastens That Death.
... When the rules go, the internet will still work, but it will look like and feel like something else altogether — a network in which business development deals, rather than innovation, determine what you experience, a network that feels much more like cable TV than the technological Wild West...


Wikipedia: Net neutrality
Net neutrality is the principle that Internet service providers must treat all data on the Internet the same, and not discriminate or charge differently by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or method of communication. For instance, under these principles, internet service providers are unable to intentionally block, slow down or charge money for specific websites and online content...

A widely cited example of a violation of net neutrality principles was the Internet service provider Comcast's secret slowing ("throttling") of uploads from peer-to-peer file sharing (P2P) applications... In another minor example, The Madison River Communications company was fined US$15,000 by the FCC, in 2004, for restricting their customers' access to Vonage, which was rivaling their own services...



How free do you want to be and how much of a Toll are you happy to pay?...

Only in the USA?...
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Message 1907132 - Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 1:41:48 UTC - in response to Message 1907116.  

So... In the supposed land of the supposed free...
Profit first, profit second, profit last.
Now the sots will have to go out and buy half a dozen phones and pay us every month on a half dozen phones!
PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT
You will have your FOX/Disney phone, your Paramount phone, your Universal phone, your Nexflix phone your Hulu phone, your Amazon phone ...
Consumers will have choice.
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Message 1907146 - Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 2:08:19 UTC - in response to Message 1907140.  

We can do it again.

Not as long as Citizens United remains the law of the land.
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Message 1907164 - Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 3:02:41 UTC - in response to Message 1907153.  
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We can do it again.

Not as long as Citizens United remains the law of the land.

Perhaps, but an even greater concentrated power was defeated by 'Teddy' Roosevelt.

There is a difference between can't and won't.

Guessing we will place you in the won't category.

Not necessarily true,
Now that the GOP is in control in most of the US. They will increase voter suppression and gerrymandering, and therefore the Dems will never again be in power until the increasingly uneducated poor realise they are being shafted.
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Message 1907170 - Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 3:46:06 UTC - in response to Message 1907153.  
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Perhaps, but an even greater concentrated power was defeated by 'Teddy' Roosevelt.


Modern media, ie twitter has changed that .
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Message 1907176 - Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 4:18:11 UTC - in response to Message 1907170.  

Perhaps, but an even greater concentrated power was defeated by 'Teddy' Roosevelt.


Modern media, ie twitter has changed that .

Twitterbots you mean.
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Message 1907187 - Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 4:54:00 UTC - in response to Message 1907176.  

Perhaps, but an even greater concentrated power was defeated by 'Teddy' Roosevelt.


Modern media, ie twitter has changed that .

Twitterbots you mean.

Yep
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Message 1907225 - Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 12:03:05 UTC

Greetings,

The U.S. started like this:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


And Abraham Lincoln said it best:
Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth.


And now look what we have here in the 21st century. A Country and Government run by the million/billionaires of the country to put more millions and billions in their coffers.

We The People of the United States, have NO say in anything that happens in this country. Sure, foreigners say "make changes at the polls". Won't ever happen. This country is circling the drain as we discuss it here on a Scientific research website.

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Message 1907275 - Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 19:32:09 UTC

Rockefeller; Carnegie; Morgan and Others, Became RICHER after So Called 'Break Up' by Teddy.

I Use a PITCHFORK for Hay? You?

BIG PILES of Hay and Yap

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Message 1907279 - Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 20:06:33 UTC

Teddy Teddy Teddy R. Where Are You? Weee dA WEEEEE of U S of A, NEED YOU to STOP IMMENSE POWER to CENSOR by NON NEUTRAL You Know Who.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/15/google-is-using-its-immense-power-to-censor-content-that-doesnt-fit-its-political-goals

Seen dA AUSSIE Show 'Glitch'? Teddy R. CAN RISE and FREE WEEEEE dA Weeeee Peoples of U S of A of IMMENSE POWERFUL CENSORSHIP by NON NEUTRAL you know Who.

C'mon NEUTRALIZE this Yap

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Message 1907548 - Posted: 16 Dec 2017, 18:45:51 UTC
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WOW!

Is this the one Politics thread where for possibly the first time, all the posters are in agreement?! (Including certain posters who normally are irreconcilable...!)


In brief summary, we have:

ISPs Are Now Free To Discriminate Against Internet Services
The FCC, led by its new chairman, Ajit Pai, voted to repeal the net neutrality rules...

... Net neutrality may indeed not normally be needed, if the market was highly competitive and consumers could easily switch from one ISP to another in their local areas the moment one ISP began to misbehave. However, as most Americans know, that’s hardly the case right now...



And for a fun (or not) summary of how the USA 'internet' got there, this gives an excellent summary:

The Net Neutrality Lie
Published on 11 Dec 2017

Net Neutrality explained! Ajit Pai has been telling #PaiLies about Net Neutrality. In fact the entire anti Net Neutrality argument has been based around these series of falsehoods that only exist because people don't know the truth. So allow me to explain the history of Net Neutrality and how everything Ajit Pai the head of the FCC has said, is completely false.

Spread this video! Shut down the Pai Lies!

(Also, I know he actually says "Toasty")

*I will say, I should have not said "the entire anti- Net Neutrality argument is built on lies* as I was referring only to the factual portion of the debate. There are ideological reasons one can be against NN, which I do not get into in the video. This is only about establishing what the facts actually are...




Very well put together and almost compulsive viewing... See it while you can. Incredible.

Can officials be sued/sacked for willful ignorance? (Or in this case worse?...)


What next for the (Tzarist?) USA?

Only in Amerika?!
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Message 1907555 - Posted: 16 Dec 2017, 20:07:15 UTC

RobberBARRONs. You Can SEE; FEEL; TASTE; HEAR; SMELL; and Sixth SENSE, How; Why; When. 'THEY' are F**King You.

I'll Take Dat ANYTIME, Over

OBLABBYs Government CONTROLLED WORLD where One DOES NOT KNOW All dA Ways, 'THEY' are F**King You.

RobberBARRONs are StraightForward and CAN BE DEALT With.

OBLABBYs Government CONTROLLED WORLD is INSIDIOUS; SNEAKY; SHADOWWy: STEALTHy; and DownLEFTy Gunna F**K You Over while You Be SMILING and HAPPY 'cause 'THEY' OWN YOUR MIND and LIFE.

Yeah, I AGREE with OVERTURNING ANYTHING OBLABBYs WORLD has INSTITUTED.

And I AGREE with ALL Yap

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Message 1908347 - Posted: 21 Dec 2017, 19:09:54 UTC - in response to Message 1907555.  

...OBLABBYs Government CONTROLLED WORLD is INSIDIOUS; SNEAKY; SHADOWWy: STEALTHy; and DownLEFTy Gunna F**K You Over while You Be SMILING and HAPPY 'cause 'THEY' OWN YOUR MIND and LIFE.

Yeah, I AGREE with OVERTURNING ANYTHING OBLABBYs WORLD has INSTITUTED. ...

Really? In reality?

Is USA politics really so simplistic? One color is always 'good' whilst the 'other' color is always 'bad'?

Regardless of what their policies are and regardless of all consequences?...

Is this the start of a new North - South civil war? Or a continuation of the battle of old flags? Or the silly old game of going "tribal"?


Meanwhile, what of the consequence, for the USA, of the internet being turned into a kind of expensively restricted (CENSORED) cable TV?!

And only in Amerika?


All only in our one world...
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Message 1908355 - Posted: 21 Dec 2017, 20:02:02 UTC

Is this the start of a new North - South civil war? Or a continuation of the battle of old flags? Or the silly old game of going "tribal"?


I Predict a 'Civil' 'War' between Muslim and Non-Muslim 'Tribes' IN EUROPE or UK. Weee dA Weeeee Peoples of U S of A will Have a 'few' 'Skimishes', Now and Again. You All(like dat S'uthren term?) Over There will, As Usual, 'GO TRIBAL'.

ALL REALITY ONLY in dA REAL OLD WORLD

Keep On Crunchin' Peanuts and Yap

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Message 1908357 - Posted: 21 Dec 2017, 20:23:06 UTC - in response to Message 1908347.  

...OBLABBYs Government CONTROLLED WORLD is INSIDIOUS; SNEAKY; SHADOWWy: STEALTHy; and DownLEFTy Gunna F**K You Over while You Be SMILING and HAPPY 'cause 'THEY' OWN YOUR MIND and LIFE.

Yeah, I AGREE with OVERTURNING ANYTHING OBLABBYs WORLD has INSTITUTED. ...

Really? In reality?

Is USA politics really so simplistic? One color is always 'good' whilst the 'other' color is always 'bad'?

Regardless of what their policies are and regardless of all consequences?...

Is this the start of a new North - South civil war? Or a continuation of the battle of old flags? Or the silly old game of going "tribal"?


Meanwhile, what of the consequence, for the USA, of the internet being turned into a kind of expensively restricted (CENSORED) cable TV?!

And only in Amerika?


All only in our one world...
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I agree that solutions do not always exist in one ideology or another. Ideologies are traps that prevent people from seeing solutions. I prefer to look to history, both locally, and around the world for solutions based on previous success rates. I don't care where a solution comes from, as long as it has a history of working. I also agree that solutions that have been successful in one instance, may not be in a set of different circumstances.

I am extremely concerned about the loss of Net Neutrality. I don't see a single good thing about it. It is very clear to me that the current administration is letting everything be run by the major players, without the protections for the public. If this type of attitude has existed in the past, the tobacco companies would have kept selling to everyone until everyone had died of cancer. The gas companies would have kept selling leaded gas until all the drinking water was lead contaminated. The aerosol manufactures would have kept selling chlorofluorocarbons until we had no ozone left. We need protections from run away companies that will do anything for a buck regardless of the consequences.

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Message 1908532 - Posted: 23 Dec 2017, 1:11:30 UTC
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Comcast and AT&T already Capitalize on the demise of Net Neutrality:


Comcast is giving its employees $1,000 bonuses because net neutrality is dead

Celebrating the death of consumer protections

Comcast today announced that it would be doling out $1,000 employee bonuses in response to the Federal Communications Commission’s repeal of net neutrality rules last week, as well as the Senate and House’s passing of Republicans’ tax reform bill poised to provide a substantial windfall to wealthy Americans and corporations...

... The news coincides with AT&T’s similar announcement today that it plans to give 200,000 employees $1,000 bonuses each in response to tax reform. AT&T did not mention the FCC or net neutrality, but as an ISP the company stands to benefit in ways similar to Comcast...



All in the land of the Amerikan 'free'?

And all in the two weeks before Christmas!...


What are you American 'freedom' lovers going to do about that?... Are you freely a democracy?...


Only in the USA?
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Message 1908538 - Posted: 23 Dec 2017, 1:55:50 UTC - in response to Message 1908532.  

Comcast and AT&T already Capitalize on the demise of Net Neutrality:


Comcast is giving its employees $1,000 bonuses because net neutrality is dead

Celebrating the death of consumer protections

Comcast today announced that it would be doling out $1,000 employee bonuses in response to the Federal Communications Commission’s repeal of net neutrality rules last week, as well as the Senate and House’s passing of Republicans’ tax reform bill poised to provide a substantial windfall to wealthy Americans and corporations...

... The news coincides with AT&T’s similar announcement today that it plans to give 200,000 employees $1,000 bonuses each in response to tax reform. AT&T did not mention the FCC or net neutrality, but as an ISP the company stands to benefit in ways similar to Comcast...



All in the land of the Amerikan 'free'?

And all in the two weeks before Christmas!...


What are you American 'freedom' lovers going to do about that?... Are you freely a democracy?...


Only in the USA?
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Martin, you need to tell Eye. He is busy posting they are giving the bonus because of the tax cut.

Oh, Sprint is now running ads that say want Hulu, switch to Sprint.
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Message 1908545 - Posted: 23 Dec 2017, 2:52:16 UTC - in response to Message 1908540.  
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We like money. Our voters are driven, in the most part, by their wallets and pocketbooks.

Getting rid of net neutrality will cost the voters money. The idiocracy just is unwilling to see that and when they do then they may complain. As long as corporations are "people" and citizens united are the law of the land this is the way this country will roll.
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