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Message 1902450 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 2:02:25 UTC - in response to Message 1902447.  


I'd like to get a new cover for the load center too, one not so "holey".
I guess I could take the cover and the screw down to our half Home Depot and see what they have as a replacement.
My box looks sort of like a Square D, I didn't know D's could be Square. ;)
Sorry I could not help Myself, thanks for the tip on the breakers J. Mileski.

I doubt you will be able to get a new cover. They are usually not sold separately.
However, you should be able to get 'blank' covers to fill any spots no longer occupied by a circuit breaker.

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Message 1902451 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 2:05:05 UTC

$40.64 in 4 Eaton BR breakers, three 15A and one dual ganged 50A.
That and take the screw to the Home Depot and the panel faceplate, though the screw I might find something, the panel, maybe, maybe not.

Dual 15A, single pole.

50A, Double Pole.

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I'd like to get a new cover for the load center too, one not so "holey".
I guess I could take the cover and the screw down to our half Home Depot and see what they have as a replacement.
My box looks sort of like a Square D, I didn't know D's could be Square. ;)
Sorry I could not help Myself, thanks for the tip on the breakers J. Mileski.

I doubt you will be able to get a new cover. They are usually not sold separately.
However, you should be able to get 'blank' covers to fill any spots no longer occupied by a circuit breaker.

Meow.

Yeah, no doubt, finding a slater part now, would be a wild goose chase, but I did find a Garvin Universal Non Slip Circuit Breaker Filler. I'll get 4, they're $1.49ea w/tax. And for 4 breakers that I mentioned and 4 filler covers, plus 6 screws, the total rises to $50.15.

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Message 1902459 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 2:35:31 UTC

Eaton makes an indoor breaker box, it looks almost like mine, except it does not have the top center position, and is an indoor sub panel.

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Message 1902464 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 3:16:06 UTC

Now switching to Hernia's, I have 2, one is My left ribs, the other is this type:

70-90% survival rate, ok. I must be beating the odds.

https://www.healthline.com/health/diaphragmatic-hernia#prevention7

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Message 1902465 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 3:20:01 UTC
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The TV Stand will be here Friday by FedEx.

And the TV is being delivered by Pilot Freight on Monday Noon-5:00pm.

I just hope that both are intact upon delivery, but I'll see.
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Message 1902477 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 5:26:18 UTC

Home depot has one exactly like yours, including the main breaker for $71. But you don't need it. Just get the filler plates to cover the extra holes. A 3 pack is $3.98 and the screws #10-32 x 3/4 in. Phillips-Slotted Pan-Head Machine Screws $1.18 for a 4 pack.
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Message 1902479 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 5:51:35 UTC - in response to Message 1902477.  

Home depot has one exactly like yours, including the main breaker for $71. But you don't need it. Just get the filler plates to cover the extra holes. A 3 pack is $3.98 and the screws #10-32 x 3/4 in. Phillips-Slotted Pan-Head Machine Screws $1.18 for a 4 pack.

It's similar, but not exactly the same, in any case I figured out if I bought the following, I'd not need any filler plates:
5-15A Dual-SP(BD-1520), 1-15A Single-SP(BR-115/ac), 1-50A dual ganged DP breaker Eaton BR type(BR-235), and screws.

Now Dual just means two breakers in one, and single is just that, both have the same width, I'd thought the BR115 would do for the window ac here, the others would replace all but the two 20A breakers, and I'd have two new 15A breakers/circuits. If that is possible electrically, and I don't know that it is or not, the 100A main breaker is as large as I can go here, plus I can't move My place to its own land in CA, even if I had the money, since My unit was made into a park only model by the State Legislature a few years back, and it's too old for any other park, so here it stays, and I'm not rich enough to buy the park, not even close... I added up all the amps in the breakers that I do have, and that's 180A total, and that does not include the 100A main breaker. Except for the 20A breakers which have 12/3 wiring, the rest of the place has 14/3 wiring, though the furnace might be different, since that is a 50A breaker, new or old.
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Message 1902480 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 5:55:21 UTC - in response to Message 1902477.  

Home depot has one exactly like yours, including the main breaker for $71. But you don't need it. Just get the filler plates to cover the extra holes. A 3 pack is $3.98 and the screws #10-32 x 3/4 in. Phillips-Slotted Pan-Head Machine Screws $1.18 for a 4 pack.

Oh and I like that 4 pack, thanks Carlos.
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Message 1902512 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 10:00:25 UTC - in response to Message 1902487.  

In the UK on older houses we use the incoming gas or water pipes as earthing points

Sounds a little dangerous to connect a ground wire to a gas pipe.
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Message 1902514 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 10:10:47 UTC
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When I upgraded my main service box from the original 100A to a 200A, I drove in 3 8-foot ground rods for the best earth ground I could get. Standard practice is also to connect a ground to the water main. And then the earth ground is bonded to the neutral bus bars in the service box as well. So in practice, the outlets have both a grounded neutral and the safety earth ground connection on the ground pin.
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Message 1902516 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 10:21:24 UTC - in response to Message 1902512.  

It was - and has been banned for new, or revised, installations for a good number of years.
The situation is being made "different" with the increasing use of plastic pipes for water & gas supply.
As one can imagine it's great "fun" when they decide to replace damaged pipes - I'm just waiting for them to replace my front drive & garage floor after that was dug up to replace my neighbour's gas feed pipe after his builder managed to put the back-hoe spade onto the pipe. (I was out of the country at the time so didn't have to evacuate, but do have to put up with the mess until they find the right shaped Tuit - apparently round ones are in short supply)
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Message 1902517 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 11:00:05 UTC - in response to Message 1902512.  

In the UK on older houses we use the incoming gas or water pipes as earthing points

Sounds a little dangerous to connect a ground wire to a gas pipe.

Indeed. It's also illegal.
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Message 1902519 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 11:20:16 UTC - in response to Message 1902487.  

To put an earth spike into the ground so close to a wall is not a good idea. On the "wrong side" of the building it can be very dry.
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Message 1902520 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 11:31:06 UTC - in response to Message 1902519.  

To put an earth spike into the ground so close to a wall is not a good idea. On the "wrong side" of the building it can be very dry.

Mine were driven in about 10 feet out from the foundation, about 3 feet apart.
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Message 1902542 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 15:27:16 UTC - in response to Message 1902512.  

In the UK on older houses we use the incoming gas or water pipes as earthing points

Sounds a little dangerous to connect a ground wire to a gas pipe.

And even if I could, I can't, why? Flexible hookups for water and gas, cause of earthquakes, I even have a $1500(in 2006) earthquake resistant foundation system, the county wanted this put in, I've had 2 quakes since then, one going roughly n-s and another going roughly e-w, the $1500 paid for itself, no damage here. They're on the beefy side compared to what is under other places here, plus they are screwed into the ground-treated wood/concrete. Yeah the tires are still down there, not that I could use them in CA...

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Message 1902561 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 18:55:52 UTC - in response to Message 1902487.  

The earthing arrangements in the USA really confuse me! In the UK on older houses we use the incoming gas or water pipes as earthing points, the more modern houses and flats with plastic services use a separate earth spike.








It also appears that the neutral earthing system is in use in the USA and Canada, more info here.

LV earthing.

All I can say is that I'm glad I live in the UK with proper 3 pin plugs and sockets and earthing.

Earthing (UK) and grounding (US) are the same thing.

The only return UK have is through the moist earth/dirt/soil. In US we have a neutral hard wire that is connected to earth/dirt/soil and back to the distribution system's common neutral/ground. Earth/dirt/soil/grounded/bonding/neutral are all at the same potential because of the hard wire inter connection. The US is hard wired to system neutral/ground. UK relies on a good galvanic response from moist earth/dirt/soil for the return. US prefers wire, UK uses moist earth/dirt/soil. It took three ground rods to get a good ground at Kittyman's. Multiple layers of safety. If system neutral opens there is still a return path through moist dirt and vise verse earthing fails there is still a hard wire return. Some areas of US only need one rod (my wet Washington State), other require several (dry climate). Lifting a UK un-bond wire off a gas line can cause an electrical spark/arc/electrocution, why UK has warning signs on ground bondings. The US doesn't have or need warnings on bonding wires. Electrical distribution systems in the US are mostly a three/four (single phase/three phase) wire Open/Closed Wye circuit, where UK uses two/three (single phase/three phase) wire Open/Closed Delta circuit . The US depends on a hard wire for return where UK depends on moist earth/dirt for return. As a forty year electrical worker (IBEW 483, working batteries to 500KV hot) I prefer hard wire over moist dirt galvanic responses any day.

I remember the phone system from the 60s in UK. Same principle, UK moist dirt/earth for return vs. US's hard wire return.
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Message 1902563 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 19:10:02 UTC - in response to Message 1902561.  
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The earthing arrangements in the USA really confuse me! In the UK on older houses we use the incoming gas or water pipes as earthing points, the more modern houses and flats with plastic services use a separate earth spike.








It also appears that the neutral earthing system is in use in the USA and Canada, more info here.

LV earthing.

All I can say is that I'm glad I live in the UK with proper 3 pin plugs and sockets and earthing.

Earthing (UK) and grounding (US) are the same thing.

The only return UK have is through the moist earth/dirt/soil. In US we have a neutral hard wire that is connected to earth/dirt/soil and back to the distribution system's common neutral/ground. Earth/dirt/soil/grounded/bonding/neutral are all at the same potential because of the hard wire inter connection. The US is hard wired to system neutral/ground. UK relies on a good galvanic response from moist earth/dirt/soil for the return. US prefers wire, UK uses moist earth/dirt/soil. It took three ground rods to get a good ground at Kittyman's. Multiple layers of safety. If system neutral opens there is still a return path through moist dirt and vise verse earthing fails there is still a hard wire return. Some areas of US only need one rod (my wet Washington State), other require several (dry climate). Lifting a UK un-bond wire off a gas line can cause an electrical spark/arc/electrocution, why UK has warning signs on ground bondings. The US doesn't have or need warnings on bonding wires. Electrical distribution systems in the US are mostly a three/four (single phase/three phase) wire Open/Closed Wye circuit, where UK uses two/three (single phase/three phase) wire Open/Closed Delta circuit . The US depends on a hard wire for return where UK depends on moist earth/dirt for return. As a forty year electrical worker (IBEW 483, working batteries to 500KV hot) I prefer hard wire over moist dirt galvanic responses any day.

I remember the phone system from the 60s in UK. Same principle, UK moist dirt/earth for return vs. US's hard wire return.

Here the "soil" is Caliche, it doesn't drain too well, so it's moist below the top 1" of "soil", so I have 1 rod in the soil too. The "soil" here is so bad, that most plants drown in it.
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Message 1902565 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 19:19:45 UTC
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Here we have the electrician proverb.
Unless we earth, the priest will earth you.
or perhaps
Unless we ground, the priest will ground you.
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Message 1902566 - Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 19:20:35 UTC - in response to Message 1902563.  

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In Eastern Washington we had to use drills and dynamite to make holes for power poles in that stuff. Only thing harder is rock. Har...
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