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Message 1896917 - Posted: 22 Oct 2017, 18:53:20 UTC - in response to Message 1896909.  

Nah, it's a good discussion, afterall CO is dangerous. No one wants to be ignorant I'd think, as that would be silly.

The detector is about 1 foot above the floor, and a vent from the gas furnace probably is a good source of a bad gas CO.

Now of course I don't know if any would come out of the vent, or not, the vent is open, pointed straight up, and off center, but I could close that if needed.

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Message 1896920 - Posted: 22 Oct 2017, 19:02:32 UTC - in response to Message 1896917.  

Still too low Vic. Is there anyway it can be placed at head height at least?
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Message 1896928 - Posted: 22 Oct 2017, 19:19:26 UTC
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Ok I found this in a PDF file online from the State of California, specifically CalFIRE.

16. At what height/location should a CO device be mounted?
According to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) 720, the location for
effective performance is not generally dependent on mounting height. The density of
carbon monoxide is similar to that of air at room temperature, and carbon monoxide
generally mixes readily with air. The manufacturer’s installation instruction should also be followed.



The Detector has a small cord, Rear of the CO Detector, places for 2 screws, not included, what a surprise, I'll get some wall anchors, they'll fit perfectly,
provided I can find a pair that can handle the thin drywall here.

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Message 1896929 - Posted: 22 Oct 2017, 19:23:14 UTC - in response to Message 1896920.  

Still too low Vic. Is there anyway it can be placed at head height at least?

Probably not. Now is head height when standing, or sitting, or sleeping, I just had to ask.
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Message 1896932 - Posted: 22 Oct 2017, 19:29:00 UTC - in response to Message 1896929.  
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Still too low Vic. Is there anyway it can be placed at head height at least?

Probably not. Now is head height when standing, or sitting, or sleeping, I just had to ask.
Standing. As it's slighter lighter than air, it will reach that position before it reaches a sleeping level & the alarm will activate giving you time to act. Better safe than sorry.

Edit. Should that ever happen, it will be best to get yourself checked out as it is possible you will have some effects by then.
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Message 1896934 - Posted: 22 Oct 2017, 19:30:18 UTC

There is no NEC standard for wall plug height. Average is 12-18 inches in US. Mine are 18" from floor.
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Message 1896941 - Posted: 22 Oct 2017, 20:08:14 UTC - in response to Message 1896934.  

There is no NEC standard for wall plug height. Average is 12-18 inches in US. Mine are 18" from floor.

Mine were placed there in 1987 by Fleetwood, of course that Fleetwood is no more, thanks to a Bankruptcy in 2009, I'd bought the place in late 2006.

The place is a fixer. I just had the 2.5 ton gas furnace repaired for $300.00, and the last a/c part removed, the furnace is 30yrs old, and there are no new parts now, the part that was replaced was used, but has been properly dialed in, still if winds go above 45mph here, the pilot will be blown out, a proposed screen around the upper section of the flue, that is up on the roof, has not been done yet, and so far seems unlikely to be done at all.

For this place, a 4.0 ton gas furnace would be installed today, seems like overkill, but I'm told it would do the job, just be on for less time. But I have no way to pay for that, even if there was no cards in the way, I'd be asked to finance this at present, a grant would work, but that would require a vote of the people of CA on SB-3 on Nov 6th 2018, and then it would not be instantly available. And I think it would be better for Me to find a place elsewhere when the time comes and I can take advantage of SB-3 or SB-2.
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Message 1897030 - Posted: 23 Oct 2017, 5:06:59 UTC - in response to Message 1896929.  

The European guidance is -
Best situation 1.75m above floor level
If that is not possible then reduce the height to 0.5m above seated head height in "living" rooms, or 0.75m above head height in bedrooms.
The reasoning being that you are more likely not to notice the warning signs of CO poisoning when seated, and far less likely to notice them when asleep. Most cases of CO poisoning are in the victim was "having doze" watching the TV or asleep in bed.

As to the height of electrical outlets from floor height. It all depends on the use of the room, but generally about 12-18inches is the norm, with some organisations lobbying for 24-30 inches (without thinking about the consequences that the weight of the unsupported cable will have on the plug and socket).
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Message 1897032 - Posted: 23 Oct 2017, 5:15:53 UTC - in response to Message 1896928.  

Bad advice, certainly not up to the standards I would expect from my local fire service.

That alarm doesn't look too heavy - just a few ounces, so you could use the sort of stick-on picture hangers I use on my boat which will hold a couple of pounds each. Or couple of double sided foam pads each about an inch square.
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Message 1897033 - Posted: 23 Oct 2017, 5:15:59 UTC - in response to Message 1897030.  

And it's the closest unoccupied and unobstructed outlet to My bedroom.
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Message 1897034 - Posted: 23 Oct 2017, 5:20:53 UTC - in response to Message 1897032.  

Bad advice, certainly not up to the standards I would expect from my local fire service.

That alarm doesn't look too heavy - just a few ounces, so you could use the sort of stick-on picture hangers I use on my boat which will hold a couple of pounds each. Or couple of double sided foam pads each about an inch square.

CalFIRE is not local, they are statewide, they are really the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, or CalFIRE for short.

Currently I don't have either, I'll look into that though.
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Message 1897036 - Posted: 23 Oct 2017, 5:24:03 UTC

That makes bad advice even worse, because I assume your town/city fire service will base its advice on the state level advice. Time someone took them to court for killing and injuring citizens to whom they have given such poor advice.
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Message 1897040 - Posted: 23 Oct 2017, 5:39:31 UTC - in response to Message 1897036.  
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That makes bad advice even worse, because I assume your town/city fire service will base its advice on the state level advice. Time someone took them to court for killing and injuring citizens to whom they have given such poor advice.

I don't live in a Town/City, Yermo is a CSD, a County Services District.
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Message 1897043 - Posted: 23 Oct 2017, 6:00:37 UTC

WOW what an eye opener this has been. Thank you.

Still digging into it. Found this though and thought interesting.

CO2 Sensor Location: Where to Mount Your CO2 IAQ Monitor
https://www.co2meter.com/blogs/news/6056206-co2-sensor-location-where-to-mount-your-co2-iaq-monitor

I took a closer look at my CO alarm and the plug portion pops out with wire for mounting alarm higher than plug. Looking at their manual again they do not mention much of anything about what we are talking about. Mount out of reach of children. Har! If curious here is my alarm and manual.
http://www.kidde.com/home-safety/en/us/products/fire-safety/co-alarms/kn-copp-3/#tab-3

Needless to say I'm rethinking the whole CO alarm placement thing. We have gas hot water, dryer, stove, furnace.
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Message 1897044 - Posted: 23 Oct 2017, 6:15:46 UTC

I don't believe in any plug in smoke alarm or CO2 detector. What if the power goes out?
Unless you have a generator they are useless.
To many folks will use the oven to heat the home which could be deadly.
Kerosene heaters, Biggest death hazard ever invented.
CO2 detectors are cheap buy a few for your house. Battery ones. They will let you know when you need to change the battery also. Plus you need get a new one every 7 years . MY old CO2 beeping was beeping every minute. I read the instructions and that was a signal that it was time to be replaced. So I bought a new one.
never take chances with your life.
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Message 1897045 - Posted: 23 Oct 2017, 6:17:47 UTC - in response to Message 1897044.  

Mine has battery backup which we change with smoke alarm batteries once a year.
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Message 1897047 - Posted: 23 Oct 2017, 6:24:54 UTC - in response to Message 1897045.  

Mine has battery backup which we change with smoke alarm batteries once a year.

Ok I will agree with that.
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Message 1897048 - Posted: 23 Oct 2017, 6:41:21 UTC - in response to Message 1897047.  

Both my carbon monoxide & smoke detectors are mains powered with battery back ups. I also replace batteries once a year.

As CO2 detectors have been mentioned, I can't see the need for those in residential homes, businesses that require them yes.
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Message 1897055 - Posted: 23 Oct 2017, 6:55:50 UTC - in response to Message 1897053.  

May just have been a typo.

CO = Carbon MON-oxide
CO2 = Carbon DI-oxide

CO2 is what we breath out.

wasn't a typo, just being stupid. Hey it wont be the first time.
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