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Message 1883947 - Posted: 15 Aug 2017, 1:35:48 UTC

http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/wwii-anti-racism-film-goes-viral-after-rally/vi-AAq5qXx?ocid=spartanntp

What are your thoughts? I'll offer mine when I can spare time to post again, but I like to read the forums whenever I can, and I'd like to hear everyone's input.
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Message 1883949 - Posted: 15 Aug 2017, 1:46:22 UTC - in response to Message 1883947.  
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/wwii-anti-racism-film-goes-viral-after-rally/vi-AAq5qXx?ocid=spartanntp

What are your thoughts? I'll offer mine when I can spare time to post again, but I like to read the forums whenever I can, and I'd like to hear everyone's input.

Totally Disgusting. And a wonderful and necessary disclosure of the Evil and Hate of the KKK, White Supremacists, White Nationalism, et al.

Since all Bigotry and Hate against any race, gender, sexual orientation is alsoTotally Disgusting.

Hopefully, we will be able to consign all Bigoted and Hate beliefs to the toilet of history.
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Message 1883950 - Posted: 15 Aug 2017, 1:55:46 UTC

ELECTION 2016
New Studies Show Liberals and Conservatives Have Different Brain Structures

This and other studies indicate it is physiological.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/new-studies-show-liberals-and-conservatives-have-different-brain-structures
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Message 1883959 - Posted: 15 Aug 2017, 4:05:20 UTC - in response to Message 1883950.  
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ELECTION 2016
New Studies Show Liberals and Conservatives Have Different Brain Structures

This and other studies indicate it is physiological.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/new-studies-show-liberals-and-conservatives-have-different-brain-structures

Now that is interesting.
So conservatives are more fearful and liberals are more brainy.
How would that translate in business?
One might expect fear driven persons to pass up opportunity when it knocks. Not exactly what makes a business grow is it? No wonder they can't get ahead.

Full film https://archive.org/details/DontBeaS1947

It is easy to play on fear, the Nazi's did it and there is a reason the neo-nazi is still a nazi. Seems the world never learns it lessons. I'm just saddened that all the trumpettes are preaching the same kind of brown shirt hate. And they seem to want to give 45 the powers of the fuhrer too. They must be stopped. They must be consigned to the dust bin of history. The hate they preach is obscene. Perhaps that is how to deal with them, obscenity charges for their vile disgusting repugnant filth.

obscene: adjective:
offensive or disgusting by accepted standards of morality and decency
offensive to moral principles; repugnant


<ed>Martin Niemöller wrote:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Message 1884011 - Posted: 15 Aug 2017, 12:59:03 UTC
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<ed>Martin Niemöller wrote:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

The above is one foundation of what I have repeatedly posted.

Applies to both the Radical Left, as it applies to the Radical Right. Just change the Targets of their Hate, Evil and Bigotry.

This Subject: "A message for all to hear and heed"

Must be understood by all. Who wish to stop the Hate, Evil and Bigotry of All. Irrespective of which side of the political spectrum, which race, which gender, or which sexual orientation they belong.
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Message 1884046 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 1:38:26 UTC
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The far right is planning 9 rallies nationwide this weekend alone

The largest scheduled rally is the "March on Google," which will take place in nine major US cities Saturday. The aim is to protest the firing of Google employee James Damore over a controversial memo he wrote about the company's diversity policies. Damore has said he doesn't support the "alt-right," and will "likely not" participate.

The "March on Google" rallies are scheduled to take place at these Google locations around the country:

Atlanta
Austin
Boston
Los Angeles
Mountain View, California
New York
Pittsburgh
Seattle
Washington, D.C.

Some alt-right organizations are scheduled to lead more localized demonstrations.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/15/us/white-nationalists-protests-tally-trnd/index.html

Appears the Radical Right will now be copying what the Radical Left has been doing for years.

Hopefully neither side will be successful in their attempt to Destroy our Freedoms.
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Message 1884090 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 3:41:42 UTC - in response to Message 1884046.  

Hopefully neither side will be successful in their attempt to Destroy our Freedoms.

Freedom is never safe when fear is in control!
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Message 1884161 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 10:02:45 UTC

What do people think about the comments in the video? What about the message of neo-Nazi's and White Supremacists that America is being taken over by foreigners and blacks? Or a better question I'd like to see some critical thinking on: why does their message work so easily?
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Message 1884165 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 10:45:30 UTC - in response to Message 1884161.  

What do people think about the comments in the video? What about the message of neo-Nazi's and White Supremacists that America is being taken over by foreigners and blacks? Or a better question I'd like to see some critical thinking on: why does their message work so easily?

Greetings,

Here's one to ponder:

Many years ago I worked for an auto fasteners sales company in San Diego, CA. I was not a sales person, my work was strictly on the computer. Anyway, our North San Diego County salesperson was talking with me, one day, on one of his trips to the warehouse. He told me that at one of his customer's the shop manager (a Mexican national) asked him if he was learning Spanish. The salesperson told him "no". The manager told him he had better start learning because they (the Mexicans) are taking over this country.

I have never had any reason to disbelieve anything that salesperson ever told me; I tend to believe him. And, the salesperson believed the shop manager because he was not one for making jokes or anything of a humorous nature.

Just my $0.02 worth.

About that video: it sucked big time. And, no matter what is done, bigotry will never go away. Everyone is bigoted in one form or another, myself included.

Again, my $0.02 worth.

Have a great day! :)

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Message 1884189 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 13:43:03 UTC

Freedom is never safe when fear is in control!

Nazi Brown Shirts, Radical Left Wing Hooded Black Shirts, White Supremacists, et al.

All attempting, by violence and destruction, to Destroy our Freedoms.
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Message 1884204 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 14:37:26 UTC - in response to Message 1884161.  

What do people think about the comments in the video? What about the message of neo-Nazi's and White Supremacists that America is being taken over by foreigners and blacks? Or a better question I'd like to see some critical thinking on: why does their message work so easily?

Work with who? With those who already believe, of course.

It is Individual Evil which is the problem. With those who have hate in their hearts. Using whatever Ideology (Right/ Left) or Religion is available to them. Which allows them to impose their hate upon others.
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Message 1884219 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 16:18:51 UTC - in response to Message 1884204.  

you are getting close but evil is not the correct word at all. The issue is self belief in superiority. Evil implies some malice, which may be absent in the heart of an oppressor as they can't see what they do as oppression.

So every religion that claims to be the correct one is an issue. Every religion that proselytizes is an issue. Every political party that says its idea is correct is an issue. Every poster who screams right/left are terrible is an issue. Every person who sticks their nose in someone other person's business is an issue.
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Message 1884222 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 16:29:47 UTC - in response to Message 1884219.  

you are getting close but evil is not the correct word at all. The issue is self belief in superiority. Evil implies some malice, which may be absent in the heart of an oppressor as they can't see what they do as oppression.

So every religion that claims to be the correct one is an issue. Every religion that proselytizes is an issue. Every political party that says its idea is correct is an issue. Every poster who screams right/left are terrible is an issue. Every person who sticks their nose in someone other person's business is an issue.

Belief in a Superiority and Correctness. Cannot be equated with an Evil, which believes in Mass Incarceration (Concentration Camps and Gulags), and finally Mass Murder.

Equating the two, is a valueless accusation. It would be as if equating two Criminal Acts. One a Shoplifting, and the other, a Brutal Rape of a 5 year old girl.

Both are crimes. But no one would equate the two, nor see any similarities.
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Message 1884231 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 17:10:10 UTC - in response to Message 1884222.  

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The president then complained that not everyone who came to the “Unite the Right” rally was a neo-Nazi or white nationalist. “And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly,” a testy Trump said during a combative back-and-forth with reporters.
These comments suggest very strongly that the president of the United States sees moral equivalence between Nazis and those who oppose Nazis. Objectively, of course, there is NO moral equivalence between Nazis and those who oppose Nazis.

Does this remind anyone of a poster to these forums who complains about left/right and postulates they are one in the same?
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Message 1884266 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 19:42:55 UTC - in response to Message 1883947.  

Love, and make love, not a war out on the streets. And name the opposite.
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Message 1884292 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 22:00:41 UTC - in response to Message 1884231.  

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The president then complained that not everyone who came to the “Unite the Right” rally was a neo-Nazi or white nationalist. “And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly,” a testy Trump said during a combative back-and-forth with reporters.
These comments suggest very strongly that the president of the United States sees moral equivalence between Nazis and those who oppose Nazis. Objectively, of course, there is NO moral equivalence between Nazis and those who oppose Nazis.

Does this remind anyone of a poster to these forums who complains about left/right and postulates they are one in the same?

Sorry Gary...

Both the Right Wing Nazis and Left Wing Marxists. Have murdered and enslaved over one billion people in the last century.

How would one describe the moral and ethical values of a person, or a Newspaper, that disagrees?
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Message 1884293 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 22:00:53 UTC - in response to Message 1884165.  
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Here's one to ponder:

Many years ago I worked for an auto fasteners sales company in San Diego, CA. I was not a sales person, my work was strictly on the computer. Anyway, our North San Diego County salesperson was talking with me, one day, on one of his trips to the warehouse. He told me that at one of his customer's the shop manager (a Mexican national) asked him if he was learning Spanish. The salesperson told him "no". The manager told him he had better start learning because they (the Mexicans) are taking over this country.

I have never had any reason to disbelieve anything that salesperson ever told me; I tend to believe him. And, the salesperson believed the shop manager because he was not one for making jokes or anything of a humorous nature.


I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Did you agree that the Mexicans are "taking over"? Do you feel that Mexicans entering the workforce threatens your Caucasian culture? (I'm assuming you're Caucasian.)

About that video: it sucked big time. And, no matter what is done, bigotry will never go away. Everyone is bigoted in one form or another, myself included.


I would also like some more elaboration on this. Do you feel that since we are all prejudiced/biased in our own ways, we can't try to better ourselves and overcome our natures? That sounds rather defeatist to me.
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Message 1884326 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 0:23:43 UTC - in response to Message 1884293.  
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Do you feel that Mexicans entering the workforce threatens your Caucasian culture? (I'm assuming you're Caucasian.)

Caucasian culture?
Being a Caucasian?
Caucasian or European race, also known as the white race, is one of the main races that people in the anthropology traditionally divided into. The term is still used in part, but has largely played its part as a concept of distinction.
The term Caucasian is apparently still very much used in the US.
Why?
Chechnya leader Ramzan Kadyrov is very much a Caucasian!!!

Kadyrov wants to introduce Muslim laws that govern women's clothing in Chechnya and have officially expressed support for those groups of men who harass women who do not dress Muslim. The harassment consists, among other things, in that women are shot at with paintball on the open street.
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Message 1884334 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 0:49:25 UTC - in response to Message 1884292.  

Both the Right Wing Nazis and Left Wing Marxists. Have murdered and enslaved over one billion people in the last century.

So you equate anti Nazi forces with Marxists? Interesting.
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Both the Right Wing Nazis and Left Wing Marxists. Have murdered and enslaved over one billion people in the last century.

So you equate anti Nazi forces with Marxists? Interesting.

betreger...

You absolve the Marxists. Who Murdered and Enslaved over one billion people in the last 100 years.

I hold the Mass Murdering and Enslaving Nazi's and Marxists in the same disgust.

Why don't you?

Both the victims of Nazism and Marxism would probably respond in stronger terms, than I have, to your belief.

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