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Message 1883947 - Posted: 15 Aug 2017, 1:35:48 UTC

http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/wwii-anti-racism-film-goes-viral-after-rally/vi-AAq5qXx?ocid=spartanntp

What are your thoughts? I'll offer mine when I can spare time to post again, but I like to read the forums whenever I can, and I'd like to hear everyone's input.
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Message 1883950 - Posted: 15 Aug 2017, 1:55:46 UTC

ELECTION 2016
New Studies Show Liberals and Conservatives Have Different Brain Structures

This and other studies indicate it is physiological.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/new-studies-show-liberals-and-conservatives-have-different-brain-structures
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Message 1883959 - Posted: 15 Aug 2017, 4:05:20 UTC - in response to Message 1883950.  
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ELECTION 2016
New Studies Show Liberals and Conservatives Have Different Brain Structures

This and other studies indicate it is physiological.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/new-studies-show-liberals-and-conservatives-have-different-brain-structures

Now that is interesting.
So conservatives are more fearful and liberals are more brainy.
How would that translate in business?
One might expect fear driven persons to pass up opportunity when it knocks. Not exactly what makes a business grow is it? No wonder they can't get ahead.

Full film https://archive.org/details/DontBeaS1947

It is easy to play on fear, the Nazi's did it and there is a reason the neo-nazi is still a nazi. Seems the world never learns it lessons. I'm just saddened that all the trumpettes are preaching the same kind of brown shirt hate. And they seem to want to give 45 the powers of the fuhrer too. They must be stopped. They must be consigned to the dust bin of history. The hate they preach is obscene. Perhaps that is how to deal with them, obscenity charges for their vile disgusting repugnant filth.

obscene: adjective:
offensive or disgusting by accepted standards of morality and decency
offensive to moral principles; repugnant


<ed>Martin Niemöller wrote:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Message 1884090 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 3:41:42 UTC - in response to Message 1884046.  

Hopefully neither side will be successful in their attempt to Destroy our Freedoms.

Freedom is never safe when fear is in control!
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Message 1884161 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 10:02:45 UTC

What do people think about the comments in the video? What about the message of neo-Nazi's and White Supremacists that America is being taken over by foreigners and blacks? Or a better question I'd like to see some critical thinking on: why does their message work so easily?
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Message 1884165 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 10:45:30 UTC - in response to Message 1884161.  

What do people think about the comments in the video? What about the message of neo-Nazi's and White Supremacists that America is being taken over by foreigners and blacks? Or a better question I'd like to see some critical thinking on: why does their message work so easily?

Greetings,

Here's one to ponder:

Many years ago I worked for an auto fasteners sales company in San Diego, CA. I was not a sales person, my work was strictly on the computer. Anyway, our North San Diego County salesperson was talking with me, one day, on one of his trips to the warehouse. He told me that at one of his customer's the shop manager (a Mexican national) asked him if he was learning Spanish. The salesperson told him "no". The manager told him he had better start learning because they (the Mexicans) are taking over this country.

I have never had any reason to disbelieve anything that salesperson ever told me; I tend to believe him. And, the salesperson believed the shop manager because he was not one for making jokes or anything of a humorous nature.

Just my $0.02 worth.

About that video: it sucked big time. And, no matter what is done, bigotry will never go away. Everyone is bigoted in one form or another, myself included.

Again, my $0.02 worth.

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Message 1884219 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 16:18:51 UTC - in response to Message 1884204.  

you are getting close but evil is not the correct word at all. The issue is self belief in superiority. Evil implies some malice, which may be absent in the heart of an oppressor as they can't see what they do as oppression.

So every religion that claims to be the correct one is an issue. Every religion that proselytizes is an issue. Every political party that says its idea is correct is an issue. Every poster who screams right/left are terrible is an issue. Every person who sticks their nose in someone other person's business is an issue.
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Message 1884231 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 17:10:10 UTC - in response to Message 1884222.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/08/16/daily-202-false-moral-equivalency-is-not-a-bug-of-trumpism-it-s-a-feature/5993b25930fb0433811d6965/?utm_term=.9fdae10aeb73
The president then complained that not everyone who came to the “Unite the Right” rally was a neo-Nazi or white nationalist. “And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly,” a testy Trump said during a combative back-and-forth with reporters.
These comments suggest very strongly that the president of the United States sees moral equivalence between Nazis and those who oppose Nazis. Objectively, of course, there is NO moral equivalence between Nazis and those who oppose Nazis.

Does this remind anyone of a poster to these forums who complains about left/right and postulates they are one in the same?
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Message 1884266 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 19:42:55 UTC - in response to Message 1883947.  

Love, and make love, not a war out on the streets. And name the opposite.
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Message 1884293 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 22:00:53 UTC - in response to Message 1884165.  
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Here's one to ponder:

Many years ago I worked for an auto fasteners sales company in San Diego, CA. I was not a sales person, my work was strictly on the computer. Anyway, our North San Diego County salesperson was talking with me, one day, on one of his trips to the warehouse. He told me that at one of his customer's the shop manager (a Mexican national) asked him if he was learning Spanish. The salesperson told him "no". The manager told him he had better start learning because they (the Mexicans) are taking over this country.

I have never had any reason to disbelieve anything that salesperson ever told me; I tend to believe him. And, the salesperson believed the shop manager because he was not one for making jokes or anything of a humorous nature.


I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Did you agree that the Mexicans are "taking over"? Do you feel that Mexicans entering the workforce threatens your Caucasian culture? (I'm assuming you're Caucasian.)

About that video: it sucked big time. And, no matter what is done, bigotry will never go away. Everyone is bigoted in one form or another, myself included.


I would also like some more elaboration on this. Do you feel that since we are all prejudiced/biased in our own ways, we can't try to better ourselves and overcome our natures? That sounds rather defeatist to me.
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Message 1884326 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 0:23:43 UTC - in response to Message 1884293.  
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Do you feel that Mexicans entering the workforce threatens your Caucasian culture? (I'm assuming you're Caucasian.)

Caucasian culture?
Being a Caucasian?
Caucasian or European race, also known as the white race, is one of the main races that people in the anthropology traditionally divided into. The term is still used in part, but has largely played its part as a concept of distinction.
The term Caucasian is apparently still very much used in the US.
Why?
Chechnya leader Ramzan Kadyrov is very much a Caucasian!!!

Kadyrov wants to introduce Muslim laws that govern women's clothing in Chechnya and have officially expressed support for those groups of men who harass women who do not dress Muslim. The harassment consists, among other things, in that women are shot at with paintball on the open street.
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Message 1884334 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 0:49:25 UTC - in response to Message 1884292.  

Both the Right Wing Nazis and Left Wing Marxists. Have murdered and enslaved over one billion people in the last century.

So you equate anti Nazi forces with Marxists? Interesting.
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Message 1884344 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 1:26:37 UTC

Oh good grief.
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Message 1884346 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 1:28:06 UTC - in response to Message 1884336.  

Both the Right Wing Nazis and Left Wing Marxists. Have murdered and enslaved over one billion people in the last century.

So you equate anti Nazi forces with Marxists? Interesting.

betreger...

You absolve the Marxists. Who Murdered and Enslaved over one billion people in the last 100 years.

I hold the Mass Murdering and Enslaving Nazi's and Marxists in the same disgust.

Why don't you?

Both the victims of Nazism and Marxism would probably respond in stronger terms, than I have, to your belief.

CLYDE

And what about the majority of people in the middle that oppose both.
And they were more likely the people attacked by the far right in Charlottesville.
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Message 1884354 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 1:43:11 UTC - in response to Message 1884344.  

Oh good grief.


I'm glad to see you posting! I'm pretty sure I know your views but can you expand on your comments here? Also, penny for your thoughts on why this movement seems to be growing (or maybe it isn't)? What is it that's so appealing to people that they join these socially unacceptable groups? Or am I completely off base here? Please add additional comments! I'd love to read them.
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Message 1884360 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 2:16:15 UTC - in response to Message 1884354.  

Oh good grief.


I'm glad to see you posting! I'm pretty sure I know your views but can you expand on your comments here? Also, penny for your thoughts on why this movement seems to be growing (or maybe it isn't)? What is it that's so appealing to people that they join these socially unacceptable groups? Or am I completely off base here? Please add additional comments! I'd love to read them.

I haven't been around because I can't deal with some of the alt-reality posted on these boards.

How have we even got to the point where Nazi's aren't automatically the bad guys? I'm mystified.

Every day I watch the news and I see the media trying to guild the Trump turd, trying to piece together something rational with what is clearly irrational. Now this fiction about there being some sort of alt-left at this demonstration who are just as bad as the Nazi's. I knew for a fact that if I read here, Clyde would be proclaiming this insanity and no doubt crying foul at anyone who points out he's effectively a Nazi sympathizer now. (If this hasn't happened already...its about to).

Some truths are self evident. One of these is that Nazi's are bad and you really ought to supporting the people that oppose them.
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Message 1884363 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 2:38:51 UTC - in response to Message 1884360.  

Some truths are self evident. One of these is that Nazi's are bad and you really ought to supporting the people that oppose them.

Duh
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Message 1884383 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 4:34:53 UTC - in response to Message 1884293.  

Here's one to ponder:

Many years ago I worked for an auto fasteners sales company in San Diego, CA. I was not a sales person, my work was strictly on the computer. Anyway, our North San Diego County salesperson was talking with me, one day, on one of his trips to the warehouse. He told me that at one of his customer's the shop manager (a Mexican national) asked him if he was learning Spanish. The salesperson told him "no". The manager told him he had better start learning because they (the Mexicans) are taking over this country.

I have never had any reason to disbelieve anything that salesperson ever told me; I tend to believe him. And, the salesperson believed the shop manager because he was not one for making jokes or anything of a humorous nature.


I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Did you agree that the Mexicans are "taking over"? Do you feel that Mexicans entering the workforce threatens your Caucasian culture? (I'm assuming you're Caucasian.)

About that video: it sucked big time. And, no matter what is done, bigotry will never go away. Everyone is bigoted in one form or another, myself included.


I would also like some more elaboration on this. Do you feel that since we are all prejudiced/biased in our own ways, we can't try to better ourselves and overcome our natures? That sounds rather defeatist to me.


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Message 1884387 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 4:54:24 UTC - in response to Message 1884360.  



Some truths are self evident. One of these is that Nazi's are bad and you really ought to supporting the people that oppose them.


Uhh... please excuse me if I disagree. Some of those opposed to Nazis are just as bad, if not worse, than the Nazis themselves.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
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Message 1884391 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 5:21:53 UTC - in response to Message 1884387.  



Some truths are self evident. One of these is that Nazi's are bad and you really ought to supporting the people that oppose them.


Uhh... please excuse me if I disagree. Some of those opposed to Nazis are just as bad, if not worse, than the Nazis themselves.

Would you care to name them?
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