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Message 1881138 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 8:02:56 UTC
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on the first of September the year identifier changes to "67" (our car registration plates are complicated and totally controlled by the motor manufacturers)

I'm sorry but you are wrong.

The Motor Car Act 1903, which came into force on 1 January 1904, required all motor vehicles to be entered on an official vehicle register, and to carry alphanumeric plates. The system is administered by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) in Swansea.

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Message 1881145 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 10:02:50 UTC
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As I wished to answer Chris on this issued and I did not want it in the caring thread I have decided to start a new thread just for a quick explanation as to my comment.

The UK uses a "year identifier on it's car number plates so currently the plates are in the format, XX17 XXX, where the first two letters identify the area the was registered so LA to LY is London (I Q and Z are not used as location identifiers )and the last 3 letters are random starting AAA and going to ZZZ

However the registrations change twice a year, this was due to lobbying by the motor industry that wanted to sell more cars so convinced the government to change the registrations in March and September, historically difficult months to sell cars.

So 66 ran from September 2016 to Feb 2017. 17 runs from March 2017 to August 2017 and 67 Runs from September 2017 to Feb 2018.

And the reason is to sell more cars.

Logically if it really was a "year identifier" it would run from January and if it needed to have two per year the second one would start in July.

Hence my reason for stating the motor industry controls when the registrations change.
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Message 1881149 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 11:13:21 UTC - in response to Message 1881145.  

I bought a new car earlier this year, in anticipation of my full pension becoming payable (which it was, starting this week. Yay!)

So I have a YG17 (for Yorkshire) plate. Before the car arrived at the local garage for prepping, I gave written instructions (by email) that the plates should carry the EU country marking - as shown on the Wiki page that Chris got his information from - so I could take the car touring (though probably no further than the Republic of Ireland, which is a lovely place to drive in).

They refused ("We don't do those plates"), and supplied the car with plain plates. I had to go back and get them changed, at extra cost.

So is the motor industry - in this case a private franchised garage, selling French and Italian cars - making subtle points about Brexit too?
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Message 1881150 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 11:17:13 UTC

Firstly, thanks are due to Bernie for starting a new thread, away from the caring thread, where the post in question was originally.

But he tends to gloss over things without giving the full story.

He says that the number plate format is designated as XX17 XXX. For general use that is correct but, there is a special Q letter for specific vehicles.

Q letters

Also there are special numbers for diplomatic vehicles in the UK in the format of three numbers, one letter, three numbers.

Diplomatic plates

In addition you will often see GBZ plates from Gibraltar with G' followed by four digits from 1000 to 9999 and another letter. Military number plates also have a different system.

We used to have 5 as designating the second registration period but that has now changed to 6. Quite frankly the whole system is a terrible mish mash that has evolved due to running out of numbers because of ever increasing use of vehicles. And even the latest system won't last beyond the 2040's.

The first mark to be issued in London was A1, and this was registered to Earl Russell. He wanted the mark so badly he camped out all night to secure it!

New registrations changed from annual to twice yearly in 1999, but there is no specific evidence that the motor vehicle industry pressurised the DVLC to go to twice yearly registration changes to sell more cars, although it is likely that they had some influence. Most certainly they don't "totally control" DVLC, which is an Agency of the Government Dept for Transport.

It's all very nice for some people to be able to afford new cars and brag about them, I'm quite happy with my 2007 1L runaround, for the type of motoring I do and the annual mileage, driven, why waste my money on a new car?
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Message 1881154 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 11:27:38 UTC

why waste my money on a new car?


As I have paid monthly for my car since 2010 it is not too much of a problem, and as I have reduced the cost substantially with this one it makes sense as 3 years servicing is also included.

To me it is trouble free motoring, with Nissan Rescue included for free.

In my present situation I do not want to have to worry about servicing or MOT's I just want a car that will start whenever I need it and get me from A to B.
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Message 1881155 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 11:31:55 UTC
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So is the motor industry - in this case a private franchised garage, selling French and Italian cars - making subtle points about Brexit too?

Might be :-) More likely they don't know the regulations, you should demand a refund. Any car driven outside the UK currently has to show the EU symbol and GB.

I've just ordered two number plate stickers showing the flag of St George and England to go over the EU blue bit on my plates. Once they are on I'm just waiting for some rookie copper to say it is wrong, then I will get out the number plate regs I've printed off and tell him differently. Then challenge him to issue me a ticket. I'd love to go to court with the national press there and name and shame him :-)))

As I have paid monthly for my car since 2010 it is not too much of a problem, it makes sense as 3 years servicing is also included. To me it is trouble free motoring, with Nissan Rescue included for free.

If your budget can afford it nobody can argue against that.

In my present situation I do not want to have to worry about servicing or MOT's I just want a car that will start whenever I need it and get me from A to B.

A good second hand 3 year old vehicle with a known servicing history would likely do that for you. But if you are willing and able to pay what it costs to lease a brand new car, that is your personal choice.
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Message 1881156 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 11:45:30 UTC - in response to Message 1881155.  

. I'd love to go to court with the national press there and name and shame him :-)))


Let us know when it happens coz p.m.s.l when the " beeks" hand you down a £200 fine Chris ;-) hehe ( guarentee that's what would happen , I've been to court far more than you ;-) )
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Message 1881157 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 11:49:26 UTC - in response to Message 1881150.  

why waste money on a new car?
In my case, I'm not yet ready to give up the diesel engines I've driven for the past 25 years - but with the new car, I've gone up from Euro 4 to Euro 6 emission standards, which is nice for my neighbours and passers-by.

The fact that I'm also getting more power, better fuel consumption, reversing sensors, a fitted SatNav, and a digital radio (to name just a few) is a lucky coincidence which happens to fit my plans to spend more of my retirement travelling.
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Message 1881158 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 11:54:17 UTC
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The law say that you can have an England sticker on your number plates provided the vehicle is not driven outside the UK. If it is then you have to have an EU one with GB on it.

Number plate regs

The fact that I'm also getting more power, better fuel consumption, reversing sensors, a fitted SatNav, and a digital radio (to name just a few) is a lucky coincidence which happens to fit my plans to spend more of my retirement travelling.

Yes you do get all the toys with a new car that is true. Again, all OK for those that can afford it :-)
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Message 1881159 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 11:55:55 UTC - in response to Message 1881158.  

The law say that you can have an England sticker on your number plates provided the vehicle is not driven outside the UK. If it is then you have to have an EU one with GB on it.

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You'll have to peel your stickers off at Hadrian's Wall, then ;-)
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Message 1881160 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 11:57:51 UTC - in response to Message 1881159.  
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You'll have to peel your stickers off at Hadrian's Wall, then ;-)

And probably at Cardiff as well :-)))
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Message 1881165 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 13:12:50 UTC - in response to Message 1881155.  

A good second hand 3 year old vehicle with a known servicing history would likely do that for you. But if you are willing and able to pay what it costs to lease a brand new car, that is your personal choice.
Something you forgot, someone bought that new.
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Message 1881167 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 13:24:27 UTC
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A good second hand 3 year old vehicle with a known servicing history would likely do that for you. But if you are willing and able to pay what it costs to lease a brand new car, that is your personal choice.


No cannot possible fulfil my stated intention of not having to worry about an MOT .
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Message 1881209 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 17:33:33 UTC

In my case, I'm not yet ready to give up the diesel engines I've driven for the past 25 years
I believe that diesel engines have low end grunt or torque, which is particularly useful when driving over rough terrain or rural country roads, I can therefore imagine that a vehicle of that type would appeal to you.

For me a little fun car for the summer and a cheap runabout for other times is fine with me.
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Message 1881239 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 20:24:00 UTC - in response to Message 1881209.  

For me a little fun car for the summer and a cheap runabout for other times is fine with me.
It's all very nice for some people to be able to afford new cars and brag about them
Not much difference then between their bragging & yours. What others do with their money should be of no concern to anyone, especially if nothing illegal is done with it.
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Message 1881298 - Posted: 31 Jul 2017, 5:56:32 UTC
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It's probably worth pointing it out to non UK people that the DVLC do sell personalised number plates starting at about £250, and some higher value ones are auctioned.

Personalised number plates

Plates in the USA also have the State and other info on them which the UK doesn't i.e. for us Counties. Our prefix lettering system designates the area the car was first registered in when new.

Over the years there have been various combinations of lettering and numbering systems on number plates, but due to short sightedness by governments they regularly ran out of numbers to use, so had to devise yet a further system. As Bernie said it has been complicated over the years. It was the same with London telephone numbers. We had 01, 071 & 081, 0171 & 0181, then 0207 & 0208. They'll also run out one day courtesy of Civil Servants.

Some very good value cars are garage demonstrators up to a year old with only a couple of hundred miles or so on the clock, when the next new model comes out. If you are not interested in number plate one up-manship you can usually strike a good deal there, but you take the colour and accessories as is.
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Message 1881573 - Posted: 2 Aug 2017, 2:02:55 UTC - in response to Message 1881298.  
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Plates in the USA also have the State and other info on them which the UK doesn't i.e. for us Counties.

In the US, the federal government only issues plates to vehicles it owns and those owned by foreign diplomatic missions. Other than that, they are issued by the states, which of course have varying ideas about what information is necessary.

For example, Iowa prints the owner's county of residence below the number. Indiana (I believe) has a county code in the plate number. Illinois doesn't bother with counties. Illinois issues plates for both the front and the rear of the car, while many states (Indiana and Michigan I know off the top of my head) only do a rear.

In Illinois, a standard passenger vehicle plate has a minimum of 3 or 4 characters and a maximum of 7, with letters first and numbers after (i.e., lll nnn or l nnnnnn or llllll n, but not mixed such as ll nn ll). The registration fee is $101/year. They are designed to last several years, with annual stickers issued when you renew. A personalized plate follows the same pattern, but you are allowed to request whatever you want (not offensive) within that pattern, for an extra $47 when issued and $7/year. A vanity plate can be numbers-only (up to three) or letters-only (up to seven), whatever you want, for an extra $94 when issued and $13/year. Then we have a whole slew of specialty plates with various extra fees. See the Illinois Secretary of State's license plate guide. I have ham radio plates, for which I paid an extra $4 when they were issued, but the annual renewal is the standard $101.

They started this year to replace very old (2000-01) plates when they come up for renewal, just because they lose reflectivity and generally look bad when they age. This is being done at no extra cost.

Bear in mind, though, that this all is just for one state. The other 49, plus DC and each territory, have their own ways of doing things, and the only thing they have in common is the size and shape of the plate.
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Message 1881786 - Posted: 3 Aug 2017, 10:07:07 UTC
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The UK is so small an area compared to the USA that we can sensibly have one lar and rule for all the country. I suppose that sensibly you can't. But it is yet another example, and a good one I might say of the USA NOT being United at all. Just a collection of effectively 50 different countries with local Presidents and their own laws. Commit murder in one State you get executed, do it in another you just go to prison.

But I suppose the attractiveness of your plates does beat ours as were are so regulated with what we can do. But having a country wide system we can go online and find out whether any vehicle number is taxed. insured, Mot'd and when they run out. Do you have that?

A U.S. state is one of the states of the United States of America. Four states (Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Kentucky) are officially named a "Commonwealth" rather than a "State." How you jot away with that one defies description. There is only one Commonwealth of Nations and that is the British one.
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Message 1881788 - Posted: 3 Aug 2017, 10:28:44 UTC - in response to Message 1881786.  

But having a country wide system we can go online and find out whether any vehicle number is taxed. insured, Mot'd and when they run out.


Since when have you got your OWN A.N.P.R camara system ???? Last i heard they are only used by the Police ain't a " public " system as your quote seams to read like it is
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Message 1881791 - Posted: 3 Aug 2017, 11:11:55 UTC - in response to Message 1881786.  

A U.S. state is one of the states of the United States of America. Four states (Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Kentucky) are officially named a "Commonwealth" rather than a "State." How you jot away with that one defies description. There is only one Commonwealth of Nations and that is the British one.

Well there is also New England:)
Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont..
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