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Message 1894365 - Posted: 9 Oct 2017, 18:32:34 UTC - in response to Message 1894360.  

The subsidies piss a lot of us little people off. It goes on from towns to cities to counties to states to the feds. It has become a way of life.

Subsidies from tax dollars that should have been used to keep the infrastructure maintained.

Example; Amazon has everybody in a tweeter vying for their dollar$ right now. It is entertaining on the media with the different entities prostituting them selves with our tax dollars. har...
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Message 1894405 - Posted: 9 Oct 2017, 21:29:21 UTC

YAP away!
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ruralamerica-poll/trumps-popularity-is-slipping-in-rural-america-poll-idUSKBN1CE162
Trump's popularity is slipping in rural America: poll
According to the Reuters/Ipsos daily tracking poll, the Republican president’s popularity is eroding in small towns and rural communities where 15 percent of the country’s population lives. The poll of more than 15,000 adults in “non-metro” areas shows that they are now as likely to disapprove of Trump as they are to approve of him.

In September, 47 percent of people in non-metro areas approved of Trump while 47 percent disapproved. That is down from Trump’s first four weeks in office, when 55 percent said they approved of the president while 39 percent disapproved.
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Message 1894442 - Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 0:49:43 UTC - in response to Message 1894439.  

We will have a better understanding next year.
If tRump doesn't force Kim to nuke us all dead before then.
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Message 1894470 - Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 3:42:37 UTC

IMHO

The problem is ALL sides are so polarized and ultimately fragmented in their beliefs that any compromise is now inconceivable. There are many degrees and factions of both the left and the right who now refuse to give at all because of fear of what the in other cultures would be called 'Loss of Face'.

The welfare of the citizens is being ignored in the battle of ideologies(as it always is) and those citizens are who always suffer. Those that came together to form the Union that '45 now leads(like it or not) didn't get everything each wanted, each had to make concessions for the whole to work. And for the result to be for the overall good.

IMHO we have lost the ability and more importantly the will to do that today.

"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>
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Message 1894484 - Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 7:15:03 UTC

Thank you JaundicedEye for finally posting something that shows what I and my fellow moderators are trying to achieve.

Remember:

I may or may not agree with what you say but I will defend you right to say it.

As it happens I do agree with your summing up of the situation, delivered without calling fellow posters names.
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Message 1894530 - Posted: 11 Oct 2017, 0:31:24 UTC - in response to Message 1894484.  

Thank you JaundicedEye for finally posting something that shows what I and my fellow moderators are trying to achieve.

Remember:

I may or may not agree with what you say but I will defend you right to say it.

As it happens I do agree with your summing up of the situation, delivered without calling fellow posters names.

I feel that I, like '45 and other posters have refrained from calling names unless first attacked. This should be an exchange of ideas but much personal animosity is injected by certain individuals . I have always called a spade a spade and sometimes a shovel and will continue to do so. Sorry if that offends certain sensibilities.

Some don't like my use of Memes....... "|" "|" "|" ..........but I find a lot of meaning can be expressed very succinctly by them. For Example :



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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>
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Message 1894533 - Posted: 11 Oct 2017, 0:57:05 UTC - in response to Message 1894530.  

Some don't like my use of Memes....... "|" "|" "|" ..........but I find a lot of meaning can be expressed very succinctly by them. For Example :


I'm almost certain this refers to me, so I feel compelled to defend myself and clarify my position. I don't have a problem with your use of memes, specifically. I only have a problem if memes are the only tool used to communicate as I feel they are ineffective at real discussion. Memes are designed as quick quips meant to appeal to the pathos of an individual, and in doing so often lack credibility.

And that's the reason why I went on a meme posting spree, and that's why I didn't care if they were accurate. I was trying to illustrate my point, doubly so by also illustrating that memes are poor at that.
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Message 1894538 - Posted: 11 Oct 2017, 1:27:22 UTC - in response to Message 1894534.  

When strong political viewpoints are involved, you're never going to get away from perceived personal attacks. The real answer is to toughen up, check your ego at the door, and ignore any slights, real or perceived. If you can't do that, then stop posting for a while.

And considering I just argued that memes do not do justice to civil discourse, open dialog, or nuance, and are specifically designed to appeal to the reader's emotions (as opposed to logic and credibility), they are not very good tools at communication. Memes are designed with the sole purpose of division and derrision.

In other words, they are not even coming close to acheiving what you are trying to assert they are being used for.
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Message 1894541 - Posted: 11 Oct 2017, 1:38:07 UTC - in response to Message 1894539.  

We cannot equate the Initial Hate Filled Personal attack. With the Victim of this Personal Attack, response.


As a former officer of the law you should know that lowering yourself to breaking the law makes you just as guilty, and therefore makes you just as bad. You know that taking the high road is the only way. And again, if you feel you can't, or if you feel people are getting under your skin, step away. Don't give in to the compulsive need to respond in kind.
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Message 1894553 - Posted: 11 Oct 2017, 3:11:02 UTC - in response to Message 1894470.  

As I attempted to reply to JE my browser told me the thread was locked, then there was an outrage. So many hours later without a clipboard ...

The power structure no longer cares about anything but the game of scoring political points. Compromise, the quality that made Reagan great, has been erased. As each side will not allow any idea to come to fruition, why have Congress or the President? Some 200 years on every law that we need has been passed. Let the bureaucrats run the country as they seem to be the only people in power who actually care about America as a whole.

So, cut Congress to only two weeks a year, and cut Congress' salary to 2/52 of what they are paid now! How is that for a constitutional amendment?

Where are the statesmen? Are they all dead? Is the level of campaign bribes so high that only criminals run for office? Are they (political parties) operating like the Mafia keeping everyone else out of their turf?

Remember 1/2 of America didn't vote, they found the political parties too disgusting.

Lets consider one subject, Immigration. Talk to people on the right and they want to know who is coming in. So they want to build walls. They need walls because they put too many restrictions on legal immigration. Make it simple and easy and the immigrants will cross at a crossing so we will know who is coming in. As to crooks, they are coming no matter how big the wall is. The solution is simple, but the issue isn't immigration. The issue is political points. A fix doesn't score points with the base and get you ever bigger bribes.
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Message 1894554 - Posted: 11 Oct 2017, 3:15:52 UTC - in response to Message 1894549.  

Clyde when will you learn that personal attacks, insults and put downs are part and parcel of politics.
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Message 1894557 - Posted: 11 Oct 2017, 3:32:34 UTC

Ozzfan, is your position that there is no need of discussion about statues of Confederate Generals having been removed and being removed due to their connection to racially charged issues while figures depicting Black Soldiers who engaged in an attempted genocide of Native Americans are not?

Because it's in the form of a meme it can be disregarded as a cheap appeal to emotion?

Memes exist because of the attention span of the average person.............

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Message 1894560 - Posted: 11 Oct 2017, 3:43:32 UTC

http://english.cctv.com/2017/10/09/ARTIpA9Psc7CueIy8iyLpMu1171009.shtml
Most mass shooters do not survive their own attacks; they either kill themselves or let police do the job. But those who have survived have shown some common features, such as narcissistic personality disorder being [a] most frequent diagnoses

Didn't they say tRump has a narcissistic personality disorder? YES.
That was the case with Anders Breivik, the Norwegian far-right terrorist who, in 2011, detonated a van bomb that killed eight people, before shooting dead 69 participants in a youth summer camp.
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A look at behavior prior to attacks reinforces this view. In The Wiley Handbook of the Psychology of Mass Shootings, Grant Duwe, the director of research and evaluation for the Minnesota Department of Corrections, examined 160 cases of mass shootings in the United States between 1915 and 2013.

Duwe found that 60 percent of the perpetrators had either been diagnosed with a psychiatric disorder or exhibited signs of serious mental disturbance before the attack
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Yet, given that most people who suffer from these disorders are harmless to the public, these diagnoses do not tell the whole story. According to Duwe, the difference may lie partly in an acute sense of being persecuted-and an acute desire for revenge.

This view is corroborated by Paul Mullen, an Australian forensic psychiatrist. Based on a detailed investigation of five mass murderers whom he personally talked with, Mullen concluded that such killers struggle to reconcile their own grandiose ideas of themselves with an inability to succeed at work or in relationships. The only explanation, they decide, is that others are out to sabotage them.

In fact, Mullen's study revealed that the path to mass murder is rather stereotypical. All of Mullen's subjects had been bullied or socially excluded as children. They were all suspicious and rigid, qualities that helped to deepen their isolation. They constantly blamed their problems on others, believing that their community had rejected them; they failed to consider that they themselves might be the reason.

Mullen's subjects obsessively held grudges against anyone whom they viewed as part of the group or community that refused to accept them. They ruminated relentlessly over past humiliations, a habit that fueled resentment and, eventually, revenge fantasies, leading them to use mass murder to achieve infamy and to hurt those perceived to have hurt them-even if it meant a "welcome death" for themselves.
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Duwe argues that, contrary to popular belief, such gunmen do not "just snap". Although roughly two-thirds of mass public shooters experience a traumatic event immediately before carrying out the attack-usually the loss of a job or the end of a relationship-most spend weeks or even years deliberating and preparing to get their revenge. In Paddock's case, such quiet planning may explain the armory found in his home and hotel room, which he rented several days prior to the attack.

After the massacre, more than half of mass public shooters either commit suicide directly or provoke the police into killing them. This rate is nearly 10 times higher than for homicide offenders in general. Does this reveal, Duwe asks, just how mentally plagued these perpetrators are? Perhaps they believe they can no longer bear the agony of life; once they have "settled the score" for the perceived slights that have produced it, there is no reason left to live.

Mullen argues that the script for this particular type of suicide has become entrenched in modern culture, and continues to attract willing lead actors. If we are unable to use the knowledge we have gleaned from past experience to prevent them from taking the stage, they will continue to take aim at audiences.

Does some of this sound a lot like his administration? And just what game is he playing with Kim and nukes?
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Message 1894561 - Posted: 11 Oct 2017, 3:44:43 UTC - in response to Message 1894557.  

Memes exist because of the attention span of the average person.............
Not attention span, but IQ, and that applies to those who create them too.
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Message 1894567 - Posted: 11 Oct 2017, 4:51:11 UTC

Cut Out dA BRANIAC Shat. Have RESPECT fO My IQ.

Got It? GOoD.

Now, Can We Go Back to LOVIN' Our BEST and GREATEST PREZ and LEADER of ALL Time?

Yes? GOoD.

45ers and dA GOoD We dA WEE People Yap

May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!
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Message 1894587 - Posted: 11 Oct 2017, 9:51:26 UTC - in response to Message 1894557.  
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Ozzfan, is your position that there is no need of discussion about statues of Confederate Generals having been removed and being removed due to their connection to racially charged issues while figures depicting Black Soldiers who engaged in an attempted genocide of Native Americans are not?


And this is why discussion is so difficult. I obviously said no such thing. I hinted at no such thing. I didn't even touch on the topic. Yet here you are, putting words in my mouth and attempting to build me into a position I don't hold so we can begin conflating an issue based upon a logical fallacy.

Because it's in the form of a meme it can be disregarded as a cheap appeal to emotion?


Yes, and is only effective toward those within a certain range of IQ.

Memes exist because of the attention span of the average person.............


Maybe you're talking to the wrong people.
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Message 1894593 - Posted: 11 Oct 2017, 10:18:54 UTC - in response to Message 1894549.  

We cannot equate the Initial Hate Filled Personal attack. With the Victim of this Personal Attack, response.


As a former officer of the law you should know that lowering yourself to breaking the law makes you just as guilty, and therefore makes you just as bad. You know that taking the high road is the only way. And again, if you feel you can't, or if you feel people are getting under your skin, step away. Don't give in to the compulsive need to respond in kind.

As a person, who was employed in Academia for a longer period of time than Law Enforcement. My Academic and Law Enforcement experiences disagree with your belief that one should not respond to hate.

Not refuting lies and hate, as you propose. And allow the hate filled personal attacks to polluted any discussion.

Is just an enabling of the hate and more importantly. The hate filled personally attacking poster.

As in life. Silence is never the correct response to personal attacking hate in these forums.


Then you attack them personally because you were attacked. Then they attack you back because you attacked them. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Sounds like a zero sum game.

Pick and choose your battles. Or get dragged down into the minutia and lose all sense of direction, meaning, and eventually your dignity. There will always be lies, deceit, and hate. This isn't a perfect world and no matter how much you try, you're never going to be able to take it head-on alive. Certainly there must be more important things in your life than what others post here, and better ways to expend your energies than arguing with them?
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Message 1894616 - Posted: 11 Oct 2017, 14:00:07 UTC - in response to Message 1894554.  

Clyde when will you learn that personal attacks, insults and put downs are part and parcel of politics.
As evidenced by these muppets
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Message 1894619 - Posted: 11 Oct 2017, 14:30:43 UTC

Personal attacks may be used by potiticians but they will not be tolerated here.

"No messages that are deliberately hostile, threatening or insulting."

"No abusive messages involving race religion, nationality, gender, class or sexuality. "

More or less cover it I think.
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Message 1894620 - Posted: 11 Oct 2017, 14:34:11 UTC

No Meme, just a picture and a question...............



.......is this where the disrespect of your Flag began?

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