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Message 1880987 - Posted: 29 Jul 2017, 17:31:41 UTC - in response to Message 1880965.  

Maybe we need a "messages" area for SmartPhones aka Android?
What and where do you mean by a "messages area", in this context?
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Message 1880988 - Posted: 29 Jul 2017, 17:48:29 UTC - in response to Message 1880987.  

What and where do you mean by a "messages area", in this context?


A Q&A forum... though technically Android is a Linux derivative.
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Message 1880989 - Posted: 29 Jul 2017, 17:49:54 UTC - in response to Message 1880965.  

Maybe we need a "messages" area for SmartPhones aka Android?

I know we have OS specific message areas for Windows, Mac, Linux and Gpu questions as well as some more generic general questions. I think we may need a smartphone message area.

I have been watching my smartphone painfully munch through its tasks I I want to know where the "app_config.xml" file is :)

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When viewing your running Tasks in the Android app, Touch the 3 bars icon before the word Tasks and scroll up the menu that appears. Event Log is the last item.
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Message 1880991 - Posted: 29 Jul 2017, 18:12:13 UTC - in response to Message 1880988.  

What and where do you mean by a "messages area", in this context?
A Q&A forum... though technically Android is a Linux derivative.
Ah. The BOINC software would allow Eric to create that - nothing needed in this thread.

Just ask him - I know Eric is an Android enthusiast (in that he wants to provide supported applications for this project).
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Message 1880993 - Posted: 29 Jul 2017, 18:26:35 UTC - in response to Message 1879618.  

...Social media in the client is not needed in my eyes; and for example for me more discouraging to connect. No need to Facebook or Twitter to be connected to BOINC in my eyes. Again open that to 3rd parties who might see a benefit, ok.
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Message 1880998 - Posted: 29 Jul 2017, 18:49:25 UTC - in response to Message 1879705.  

(2) To open the "credits" can of worms... let the "new, improved, BOINC" take on the credit award process and -NOT- leave it to the individual projects. Whatever the credit basis, whether gigaflops or elapsed time or some other metric, it would at least be uniform across projects and mitigate the (scientifically) meaningless competition for more "credit."
This. To allow meaningful comparisons of testing parameter changes to accurately reflect if said change had a positive or negative effect on output in the real world environment, and not some random figure as it appears it is now. And yes, hopefully it will kill the e-peen competition/arms race between projects as well, that would be a welcome bonus.

Re: BOINC additions:
BOINC needs a "benchmark" capability. Similar to the KWSN-bench-Linux package for Seti that allows running an application with its data file and for comparison of the result with either a known correct result or an alternate application result. Every BOINC project should make available a reference package (app+data+result) to facilitate validation of hardware and software changes. And, of course, as a convenient reference for optimization parameters, hardware comparisons, etc. Surely the project developer has those files(!) - but BOINC doesn't provide any way to use them.
And This. That would be great in addition to the above, to get a decent guesstimate as to how it should most likely perform in the real world, to tweak it before starting to process real work units.

Sadly, I don't have the ability to help with this in the coding sense, I couldn't code myself out of a wet paper bag. I try to contribute in other ways though, and when life settles down a little bit in my world, I would be willing to test some things (if your looking to test on outlier rigs like my own that stretch the envelope a bit), as well as the annual contribution.

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Message 1881006 - Posted: 29 Jul 2017, 19:37:36 UTC - in response to Message 1880991.  

Just ask him - I know Eric is an Android enthusiast (in that he wants to provide supported applications for this project).
But for that he's known for over 2 months that the present applications return only errors on Android 7 and he's not done anything yet to remedy that.
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Message 1881008 - Posted: 29 Jul 2017, 19:50:29 UTC - in response to Message 1880965.  
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I have been watching my smartphone painfully munch through its tasks I I want to know where the "app_config.xml" file is :)
There isn't any. You cannot write to the BOINC data directory on the phone unless you rooted it. Rooting a device may make your warranty on it void.

If you want to know, it would be in root/data/data/edu.berkeley.boinc/client/boinc/ (this is a hidden directory). Everything under Android runs from one directory.
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Message 1881131 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 7:25:50 UTC

Just ask him - I know Eric is an Android enthusiast (in that he wants to provide supported applications for this project).


Correct, he does. There are 2 million+ smartphones out there just waiting to be tapped.

But for that he's known for over 2 months that the present applications return only errors on Android 7 and he's not done anything yet to remedy that.


Is that so? I find that hard to believe. I suggest that you bring the matter up at your new committee.
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Message 1881135 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 7:42:05 UTC - in response to Message 1881131.  

Is that so? I find that hard to believe. I suggest that you bring the matter up at your new committee.
SETI science applications are nothing whatsoever to do with the BOINC working group.
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Message 1881140 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 8:05:02 UTC - in response to Message 1880988.  

What and where do you mean by a "messages area", in this context?


A Q&A forum... though technically Android is a Linux derivative.


That was what I was suggesting. I had forgotten that Android has Linux roots and most people will see a SmartPhone message area and jump right in. But most won't post Android questions in the Linux/Unix message area.

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Message 1881141 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 8:07:27 UTC - in response to Message 1880989.  

When viewing your running Tasks in the Android app, Touch the 3 bars icon before the word Tasks and scroll up the menu that appears. Event Log is the last item.


Thank you Darrell. This is exactly the kind of post I would like to see in a smartphone message area.

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Message 1881152 - Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 11:19:19 UTC - in response to Message 1881141.  

When viewing your running Tasks in the Android app, Touch the 3 bars icon before the word Tasks and scroll up the menu that appears. Event Log is the last item.


Thank you Darrell. This is exactly the kind of post I would like to see in a smartphone message area.

Tom


Tom, this recommendation request is Seti project specific request and belongs in the website wish area. This thread is asking about ways to improve Boinc. If you go to the Boinc website, you'll find an Android area.

One problem with the Boinc Android code is that all of the make files and project settings are for a Linux based machine running Eclipse Java. The Boinc Android GUI is written in Java, but the client is in C++. In a Senior project class in school, I was able the successfully bring the GUI into Google's Android Studio IDE and build with the latest version of Android. The problem is with the client being in C++ I was never able to build it using the Android NDK. Since at the same time I was teaching myself how to use Android Studio, being unable to build the client was probably due to my limited knowledge of the Android Studio IDE. Theoretically it should be possible, it is just a matter of getting all of the settings correct.
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