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Message 1879143 - Posted: 20 Jul 2017, 1:46:05 UTC
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Well there is now.
It;s been a month and the biggest mystery in modern times for a Naval vessel has happened and not a word in here. What in the world could have been going on on the bridge of the Fitzgerald to allow it to be rammed by a ship twice its size but only capable of less than half its speed. Nobody at the wheel? Who was supposed to be monitoring the radars? Where were the required lookouts? Could it be that on the midwatch maybe some hanky and some panky was happening distracting those who were responsible for running the ship?

What has happened to the world's morbid curiosity.
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Message 1879146 - Posted: 20 Jul 2017, 2:07:56 UTC - in response to Message 1879143.  

Well there is now.
It;s been a month and the biggest mystery in modern times for a Naval vessel has happened and not a word in here. What in the world could have been going on on the bridge of the Fitzgerald to allow it to be rammed by a ship twice its size but only capable of less than half its speed. Nobody at the wheel? Who was supposed to be monitoring the radars? Where were the required lookouts? Could it be that on the midwatch maybe some hanky and some panky was happening distracting those who were responsible for running the ship?

What has happened to the world's morbid curiosity.


Maybe

1) The morbid curiosity is drawn elsewhere.
2) We had our morbid curiosity burned out of us after discussing missing planes for more than a year?
3) ?
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Message 1879152 - Posted: 20 Jul 2017, 2:28:04 UTC - in response to Message 1879143.  

. Nobody at the wheel? Who was supposed to be monitoring the radars? Where were the required lookouts? Could it be that on the midwatch maybe some hanky and some panky was happening distracting those who were responsible for running the ship?

Quite likely, I have an opinion from a naval engineer who should know, the Fitzgerald can stop in 1 1/2 ship length from flank speed, it has s variable pitch prop.
Another source who is a coast guard certified master, a captain, stated " in those crowded waters he should have been on the bridge not asleep in his stateroom".
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Message 1879168 - Posted: 20 Jul 2017, 4:03:00 UTC

It's Hillary's fault! All part of the devious plan she has to get Pence as 46.
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Message 1879171 - Posted: 20 Jul 2017, 4:53:13 UTC

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Message 1879173 - Posted: 20 Jul 2017, 4:54:57 UTC - in response to Message 1879168.  

It's Hillary's fault! All part of the devious plan she has to get Pence as 46.

That's sadistic.
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Message 1879211 - Posted: 20 Jul 2017, 9:14:24 UTC - in response to Message 1879152.  
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. Nobody at the wheel? Who was supposed to be monitoring the radars? Where were the required lookouts? Could it be that on the midwatch maybe some hanky and some panky was happening distracting those who were responsible for running the ship?

Quite likely, I have an opinion from a naval engineer who should know, the Fitzgerald can stop in 1 1/2 ship length from flank speed, it has s variable pitch prop.
Another source who is a coast guard certified master, a captain, stated " in those crowded waters he should have been on the bridge not asleep in his stateroom".

The Captain will be somewhat of a victim here and will at least never command a ship in the Navy again. A captain can't be on the bridge 24/7 so he has to trust his senior officers and others who man the bridge. Apparently discipline broke down on board that ship which is the Captains responsibility. You see trouble approaching and the first thing you do is call the Captain to the bridge. I'm pretty sure the Captains stateroom is very nearby. The fact that he was still asleep indicates to me that no alarm was sounded and the only way that could have happened is if no one was awake on the bridge to sound the alarm. So, again where the heck were they?
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Message 1879246 - Posted: 20 Jul 2017, 13:43:38 UTC

There has been discussion here https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=78677&postid=1876390#1876390

And what was said there stands.
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Message 1879285 - Posted: 20 Jul 2017, 18:25:50 UTC - in response to Message 1879246.  

There has been discussion here https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=78677&postid=1876390#1876390

And what was said there stands.

Never would have looked there.
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Message 1879516 - Posted: 21 Jul 2017, 21:49:04 UTC

http://ktla.com/2017/07/21/initial-investigation-blames-navy-for-uss-fitzgerald-collision/
Preliminary findings in the investigation into the collision between the USS Fitzgerald and a Philippine cargo ship off the coast of Japan in June suggest the accident was caused by multiple errors by the Fitzgerald’s crew and a failure to take action in the minutes leading to the collision, according to two defense officials.

“They did nothing until the last second,” one official said. “A slew of things went wrong.” A second official said the crash “will wind up being our (the US Navy’s) fault.”

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Message 1879517 - Posted: 21 Jul 2017, 21:53:42 UTC

Collision conclusion collusion delusion?!
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Message 1879543 - Posted: 21 Jul 2017, 23:47:27 UTC
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Movements of Container Ship ACX CRYSTAL involved in a Collision with USS Fitzgerald
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1b58yelh_c
Perhaps it's about time that all vessels should have transponders showing positions in real time.
Just like in aviation that even military planes are obliged to use.
USS Fitzgerald sailed without one apparently.
Another thing is of course having the bridge manned 24/7 when sailing in heavy traffic.
The captain and the chief mate are supposed to alternate being at the watch when sailing.
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Message 1879612 - Posted: 22 Jul 2017, 7:03:36 UTC

Somebody or several somebodies won't be in the Navy much longer.
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Message 1879633 - Posted: 22 Jul 2017, 9:39:56 UTC - in response to Message 1879543.  

Movements of Container Ship ACX CRYSTAL involved in a Collision with USS Fitzgerald
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1b58yelh_c
Perhaps it's about time that all vessels should have transponders showing positions in real time.
Just like in aviation that even military planes are obliged to use.
USS Fitzgerald sailed without one apparently.
Another thing is of course having the bridge manned 24/7 when sailing in heavy traffic.
The captain and the chief mate are supposed to alternate being at the watch when sailing.

They have very sophisticated radars that show all ship movement in real time. But it's only good if someone is watching all the time. We have a lot of commercial traffic coming into and going out of the local port and at 18-20 kts in clear weather there is a lot of time to avoid a collision. It's not like aircraft flying at 500 kts where you only have seconds to make the right decision to avoid colliding. The Navy hasn't quite admitted that the on duty watch wasn't doing their duty or what they were doing in the minutes preceding the collision and by now I'm sure they have the information they need.
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Message 1879644 - Posted: 22 Jul 2017, 11:15:36 UTC - in response to Message 1879633.  

The more I read about the collision it seems to me that both captains on the vessels are responsible for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Fitzgerald_and_MV_ACX_Crystal_collision
There are discrepancies about the time of collision.
USS Fitzgerald not following the Right-of-way rules.
Personnel involved
Independent analyst Steffan Watkins said it is likely there was no one on the bridge of the ACX Crystal,[24] though investigation officials have not commented on this.[25] After hitting Fitzgerald, ACX Crystal continued on course for 30 minutes, then returned to the collision location. Afterwards, she resumed her original course.[25] Investigators are still seeking to understand why Fitzgerald's crew and sensor systems do not seem to have detected ACX Crystal in time to avoid the incident.[25] ACX Crystal's captain, in a report to the ship's owner seen by Reuters, said that Fitzgerald continued sailing on a collision course despite ACX Crystal signalling with flashing lights the imminent danger. The US Navy did not comment on the report.[26]

Very strange movements by ACX Crystal after the collision.
Why did it took 30 minutes to make the U-turn?
Did someone make a distress Pan-Pan call on channel 16?
Hopefully the Sea-protest will clarify this.
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Message 1879646 - Posted: 22 Jul 2017, 11:44:21 UTC

It was a Stealth Container Ship. ;-)

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Message 1879665 - Posted: 22 Jul 2017, 14:04:20 UTC - in response to Message 1879646.  

It was a Stealth Container Ship. ;-)
Cheers.

LOL:) Beware US Navy.
Well there are MANY more hypothesis around on the Internet suggesting all kind of crazy things.
I hope that seamen all over the world could sleep though after this event.
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Message 1884607 - Posted: 18 Aug 2017, 0:06:23 UTC

Top two officers and other sailors aboard the USS Fitzgerald to be disciplined following deadly collision at sea
The top two officers and the top enlisted sailor who were aboard the destroyer USS Fitzgerald are among about a dozen sailors who will face discipline following an early-morning collision June 17 that killed seven crew members, a senior Navy officer said Thursday.

Adm. William F. Moran, the vice chief of naval operations, told reporters at the Pentagon that the majority of the punishments will be delivered Friday in Yokosuka, Japan, where the ship is homeported. One sailor received an undisclosed administrative punishment Thursday. Moran declined to describe what occurred in the moments before the collision, saying that remains under investigation.

The discipline will include likely career-ending actions against Cmdr. Bryce Benson, the ship’s captain at the time, and his second in command, Cmdr. Sean Babbitt, Moran said. They and the senior enlisted sailor for the ship, Command Master Chief Brice A. Baldwin, will be removed as leaders of the ship permanently, Moran said.
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Message 1885188 - Posted: 21 Aug 2017, 0:39:13 UTC
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Another USS Runs Into Merchant Vessel out Singapore Way.

Man O Live. When I was Out Singapore Way On-Board a USS back in '74, shO glad we got In and Out without an Accident. Although Once out in Open Sea there were some 30+ foot waves. 21 days from Singapore to Long Beach.

I was on a Floating Bomb. An Oiler or a Multi-Replenishment Ship as it was called.

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p.s. USS Named for Grandfather and Father of a Certain Senator from a SW State. One having a Female VP running mate.


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