.......Crystal Light Fruit Punch.

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It's this, two packets per 2 gallons of water, usually the size I get has 6 packets inside the container.

It's packaging is quite pink just like your avatar Zoom :)~

Totally full of chemicals, processed and dehydrated fruit n stuff.

Much like most vitamin & mineral tablets sold as (general \ mental) health beneficial.

I hope you don't drink too much..

It could send you on a crazy rampage..

Looks quite delicious actually.

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I suspect that food has little effect on clinical depression except in specific circumstances.

+1

I have no doubt that food has a real effect in the lives of ALL people regardless of health issues and good food will always benefit the unhealthy.

+1



Trying to pin a specific condition on food consumption is much like trying to nail jelly to a tree. There are soooooooooooooo many variables involved that you never really know if you've actually got something pinned down.

I can think of several physical conditions (scurvy, kwashiokor, rickets) that directly stem from malnutrition, but processed foods are often fortified with vitamins and minerals and processed foods, generally, are calorie rich. The human body can do much to compensate for poor nutrition, if provided with sufficient calories.

Human beings are truly omnivores. I have read that there are specific groups of indigenous people in Alaska who, historically, lived primarily on whale blubber. Talk about a poor/restrictive diet!!!


Do I think that poor/highly restrictive diets are optimal for general health? No.

Do I think that "real food" is better than highly processed foods, for the promotion of general physical and mental health? Yes.

Do I think that consumption of processed foods causes or exacerbates clinical depression. No.

Do I think that the factors that tend to correlate highly with a diet high in processed foods (low socio-economic status, reduced educational attainment, limited economic opportunity) can impact mental health? Yes.


I just don't want to confuse correlation with causality.

@cRunchy - I believe this thread was started by Puss in Boots in response to a comment I made in this thread. I assume because she felt more able to take the heat I got in my inbox (that caused me to make the comment in the first place) than I myself am. Which is why I said this.

I am genuinely and truly sorry she has caught so much flak from people for doing so. I personally feel she had her heart in the right place when she posted her opening comment. That it was ignored is the responsibility of the person that ignored it though,surely? Obviously that can't be confirmed until her return, but I honestly don't know why you think that was you, cRunchy? That's not my take of everything that's been said :)

@thread topic: I am currently so severely depressed I can't see a way forwards anymore. I come to the boards at the weekends especially, because they're the time very many of my current problems cannot be tackled, and so do so in the hope to turn off my life for a few hours. I even thought at some point, I might be able to contribute something meaningful here that could be useful to others.

But I've now lost count of how many weekend excursions onto the boards in the past couple of months, have made me more miserable than when I started. I'm the only one responsible for that - no one else. I let something go on for too long that I shouldn't have.

The result is one option I initially rejected in favour of trying something less drastic, but I'm now certain it won't work. So I'll opt for the other I think.

Annie...........
Please know you have friends here that care about you.
You are most welcome to post whatever you wish to share any time, speaking for myself.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Annie...........
Please know you have friends here that care about you.
You are most welcome to post whatever you wish to share any time, speaking for myself.

+1

Steve

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Warning, addicted to SETI crunching!
Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group.
GPUUG Website

Annie...........
Please know you have friends here that care about you.
You are most welcome to post whatever you wish to share any time, speaking for myself.

+1

Steve

+2
Lynn

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Annie...........
Please know you have friends here that care about you.
You are most welcome to post whatever you wish to share any time, speaking for myself.

+4

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Annie...........
Please know you have friends here that care about you.
You are most welcome to post whatever you wish to share any time, speaking for myself.

+5

When you get crappy pm's, just have a chuckle or 2 knowing they're from one 5 cans short of a 6 pack :-)

Annie, wishing you peace... and frequent use of the "ignore" feature!

.......Crystal Light Fruit Punch.

What's that?

Sounds interesting.

It's probably packed with sugar, high-fructose corn syrup and/or other
sweeteners, meaning it should be consumed only occasionally and in moderation.

Anyone who is still consuming HFCS should stop! It is evil!

Consumed sugar makes fat.

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~Sue~

Annie...........
Please know you have friends here that care about you.
You are most welcome to post whatever you wish to share any time, speaking for myself.

Absolutely. I agree.

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~Sue~

.......Crystal Light Fruit Punch.

What's that?

Sounds interesting.

It's probably packed with sugar, high-fructose corn syrup and/or other
sweeteners, meaning it should be consumed only occasionally and in moderation.

Anyone who is still consuming HFCS should stop! It is evil!

Consumed sugar makes fat.

Okay, I was wrong. It's sugar free. Good.

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~Sue~

Begin Conspiracy Theory

Maybe the Russians are putting something in our water.
Or releasing some sort of mood-affecting mist over our cities.

End Conspiracy Theory

Seriously, though, there is so much more anger and hate now than there has
ever been before. I mean, we old people can remember times when people
were much more friendly. You never heard about road rage and other things
like that. Look at how people act on "black Friday." People are likely to start a
physical fight with a stranger over something very small. What's causing all
that? (Or is that too off-topic?)

But depression - maybe there has always been a lot of depression but it was
hidden because of the stigma, and the denial. Probably.

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~Sue~

there is so much more anger and hate now than there has
ever been before. I mean, we old people can remember times when people
were much more friendly. You never heard about road rage and other things
like that. Look at how people act on "black Friday." People are likely to start a
physical fight with a stranger over something very small. What's causing all
that? (Or is that too off-topic?)

But depression - maybe there has always been a lot of depression but it was
hidden because of the stigma, and the denial. Probably.

I do feel, like you, that there is more negative tension in the air nowadays, but it's hard to pin down, really. I think as we get older, we tend to be more passive about new things, and as the world changes, we feel estranged in a way, and that makes us irritable.

I don't know if I would call it a stigma, exactly, but there still is a general reluctance for people to say they are depressed because it brings the conversation(down, so to speak) into an area of serious discussion and a lot(most?) of people feel more comfortable in superficial contact unless it's direct family and friends. Even within a comfort zone, it's hard to say you are depressed because we are barraged by positive cues everyday. We feel obligated to say how great we are when we get that cup of coffee, or say hello to our friends at work, because it reciprocates the greeting we get, and we don't want to rock the boat. Especially if we're not feeling really well, we'll say we're great, just to avoid talking about it.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

Thank you :) For the kind words, Mark, and all the plus ones's too everyone :) They mean much more to me than I can ever put into words.

If it hadn't been for a PM I received here that I have only just read, I wouldn't have been back today.

When I left here last time, I was feeling so sad - because I knew I was sorting out the tool thread with the intention to just fade away, probably for quite a long while - if not much longer.

I am still considering that, for a shorter duration maybe, but it was a such a lovely PM, and the thought that I might have missed it, and subsequently everyone's kind posts here if I had not had to keep boinc manager running through its last tasks, has given me cause to think harder about things than I was originally prepared to do. Thanks to everyone and everything that has played their part in that :)

...maybe I'm not that easy to get shot-of after all... ;)

I don't know.

I think that "depressed" as in feeling sad temporarily is distinctly different from "depression" as in feeling sad, and it seems to go on forever!

If I am depressed it goes away. If I am having depression, it doesn't (easily) go away without specific counter measures like Mindfulness meditation, Light box therapy (Seasonal Affective Disorder), high therapeutic doses of Omega-3, even prescribed Anti-depressants. Extended walking/jogging etc.

(Been there done that).

Tom

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A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association).

Begin Conspiracy Theory

Maybe the Russians are putting something in our water.
Or releasing some sort of mood-affecting mist over our cities.

End Conspiracy Theory
[quote]

For years the UK and the US and probably many other countries put alluminium powder in the general drinking water. It certainly helped control bugs but also (for marketing reasons) added brightness to the water.

Altziemers is us :( (Although less so if you smoke cigarettes interestingly.)


[quote]
Seriously, though, there is so much more anger and hate now than there has ever been before. I mean, we old people can remember times when people were much more friendly. You never heard about road rage and other things
like that. Look at how people act on "black Friday." People are likely to start a
physical fight with a stranger over something very small. What's causing all
that? (Or is that too off-topic?)
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I think the association between "depression" and 'aggression' is unfounded. Don't forget that all those who go the other way and become more passive are often hidden. We tend to see those who are loud and not those who are silent (hidden) even when suffering or experiencing similar issues.

A story I can share is about Plato 2+ thousand years ago.. He writes and moans and groans about 'people today' and 'younger people' being disrespectfull and generally aggressive and rude.

It is a trueism that older people forget what it was like to be younger and biochemically, politically, socially and psychologically become more conservative, less capable of dealing with issues they could or did when they were younger.

But depression - maybe there has always been a lot of depression but it was
hidden because of the stigma, and the denial. Probably.

I think everybody from the begining of broader societal awareness (10 thousand years \ towns etc..) have known about depression but just haven't had the words or understanding to express the best social understanding or approach.

For me (clinical) "depression" is a misfortunate and erroneous term for a large broad spectrum of clinical issues that often have nothing to do with the (colloqial) everyday experience of being low or depressed.

Anyway if Plato was correct (and given we have around 20+ generations since then) by now all of us should be completely evil and have destroyed rather than created.

I for one am glad I live in a world where I can live to at least 70 and probably only because we have clean water, a good range of food, some innoculations and antibiotics...

In Plato's time someone who wasn't wealthy and suffered any form of illness would probably not have seen their 40th birthday.

If people are becoming more untoward and aggressive it suggests that the previous generation was also like that (minus a percentage) and society should have collapsed a long time ago.

If you have ever looked at food types, additives and supply historically us humans have experienced and used you would freak at the life threatening, mind changing chemicals. we have suffered.

You are not off topic if you believe that depression and aggression are linked.

.. but because you mentioned " we old people can remember times" I think the Plato story is apt as he is a really oldie oldie.. which makes you and me youngsters.

The the big questions for people suffering clinical depression (or any form of illness, sufferance or general distress) is why me or what caused this or if i do this or that will I become whole and be cured.

There are always individual success stories but for the majority it will be a struggle.

I say try anything.. but be practical..

Not that I can say I have always been so logical when in distress... Probably the oposite. :(

@cRunchy - I believe this thread was started by Puss in Boots in response to a comment I made in this thread. I assume because she felt more able to take the heat I got in my inbox (that caused me to make the comment in the first place) than I myself am. Which is why I said this.

If you get unpleasant or difficult posts in your inbox yet believe you have done nothing to encourage such then copy the posts to the admins and if they don't help then speak to those outside of your circle that you feel you can trust.

Please forgive us if we don't know or understand or have sensitivity towards discussions and relationships people make off forum. In truth we are a dissparate group of people who are a forum and not really family (even if at times we have that feeling.)

I am genuinely and truly sorry she has caught so much flak from people for doing so. I personally feel she had her heart in the right place when she posted her opening comment. That it was ignored is the responsibility of the person that ignored it though,surely? Obviously that can't be confirmed until her return, but I honestly don't know why you think that was you, cRunchy? That's not my take of everything that's been said :)

Hopefully I never gave flak. I was direct though in voicing that I thought it a bad idea to start a thread saying they were a nurse and inviting us to talk about an issue. (What next? Someone who comes onto the forum and says they are a doctor and invites us to talk about sexual dysfunction or worse and the implications......)

If Puss-In-Boots suffers depression too then that is a good place to start.

Certainly not a knock at you Anniet or meant as anything aggressive toward 'Boots.

@thread topic: I am currently so severely depressed I can't see a way forwards anymore. I come to the boards at the weekends especially, because they're the time very many of my current problems cannot be tackled, and so do so in the hope to turn off my life for a few hours. I even thought at some point, I might be able to contribute something meaningful here that could be useful to others.

But I've now lost count of how many weekend excursions onto the boards in the past couple of months, have made me more miserable than when I started. I'm the only one responsible for that - no one else. I let something go on for too long that I shouldn't have.

The result is one option I initially rejected in favour of trying something less drastic, but I'm now certain it won't work. So I'll opt for the other I think.

Sometimes I think I would love to come and chat on the boards but then I just can't face going back through all my posts and responding.

On one level I am greatfull that the forum keeps on going on regardless (people doing their natural stuff) and what I felt important really wasn't in the grand forum scheme of things...

Anniet. You speak your thoughts and feelings well.

I know depression often has little to do with how we speak but many other issues.

For me you do contribute.

I think myself lucky that this forum has people like you on it.

(I also often wonder why I might be tollerated here.. :)

Anniet. You are part of us you know.

I thought it a bad idea to start a thread saying they were a nurse and inviting us to talk about an issue. (What next? Someone who comes onto the forum and says they are a doctor and invites us to talk about sexual dysfunction or worse and the implications......)

Good point, I agree, but I think time and other posts can change initial perceptions.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

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Good point, I agree, but I think time and other posts can change initial perceptions.

I know. Not all threads have easy births.. :)

I hear you Gordon....

Time to focus on the now.

Boots it is a good topic. Thank you.