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Message 1994182 - Posted: 18 May 2019, 12:15:35 UTC

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Message 1994269 - Posted: 19 May 2019, 1:52:23 UTC
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Unintended consequences.
"If a fetus is a person, it should get child support, due process and citizenship" is the title of an article in WaPo. A read that might lead to some discussion

From the article.
Should child support start at conception?
Can a pregnant immigrant who conceived her child in the United States be expelled?
A fetus has not committed a crime, not been arraigned or charged, not weathered a trial by a jury of its peers, not had the opportunity to confront its accuser. So can a pregnant womanbe detained?
If personhood begins in utero, a fetus will need a name and a Social Security number to begin exercising private rights and using public resources.
If a fetus is granted personhood, should be included in the census count.

Basically how do you apply the 14th to a fetus.
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Message 1996795 - Posted: 4 Jun 2019, 19:17:34 UTC

How about this? I won't control your uterus and you won't control mine.
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Message 2008403 - Posted: 19 Aug 2019, 23:28:57 UTC

This a 1st
President Bukele has said that he opposes abortion but has expressed sympathy with women suffering miscarriages who then come under suspicion.
"If a poor woman suffers a miscarriage, she's immediately suspected of having had an abortion. That's where the issue of social inequality comes into play," he said while he was running for president.
So, hope for the future?
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Message 2014058 - Posted: 3 Oct 2019, 11:05:07 UTC

Will the North end up with law the same as the South & UK?
NI Abortion Law slapped down
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Message 2014059 - Posted: 3 Oct 2019, 11:09:06 UTC - in response to Message 2014058.  

Well, the DUP (to name but one) are absolutely adamant that there should be no divergence between the law in NI and the rest of the UK...
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Message 2014061 - Posted: 3 Oct 2019, 11:58:59 UTC - in response to Message 2014059.  

Between the 2? The difference is already there.
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Message 2014063 - Posted: 3 Oct 2019, 12:17:01 UTC - in response to Message 2014061.  

Between the 2? The difference is already there.
I was pointing out the hypocrisy between "there's no difference' and 'we must keep the existing difference'.
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Message 2014064 - Posted: 3 Oct 2019, 12:23:22 UTC - in response to Message 2014063.  

Ah, got it, thanks.
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Message 2016172 - Posted: 21 Oct 2019, 18:05:05 UTC

Well done Arlene. :-) Twice in 3 days, looking good, but you know the 3rd time is a charm. So what are you going to offer next?
Midnight tonight, N.!'s abortion laws come into line with the rest of the UK
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Message 2017259 - Posted: 30 Oct 2019, 19:49:10 UTC - in response to Message 2017257.  

Only one abortion location in the entire State of Missouri???


Also Kentucky, Mississippi, North Dakota, South Dakota and West Virginia..
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Message 2017266 - Posted: 30 Oct 2019, 20:24:44 UTC - in response to Message 2017259.  

Only one abortion location in the entire State of Missouri???


Also Kentucky, Mississippi, North Dakota, South Dakota and West Virginia..

Yes. When superiors tell others what they can't do, then all hell breaks lose. Not any different than the Volstead act.
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Message 2021090 - Posted: 29 Nov 2019, 17:47:20 UTC
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This is absolutely the worst piece of legislation on this topic I have ever heard of. In Ohio, women with ectopic pregnancies (which will be fatal due to internal bleeding) under a proposed bill are going to be forced to have them re-implanted, which would also be fatal, and can't even be done?

Ohio bill would make doctors 'reimplant' ectopic pregnancies (which is impossible) or face 'abortion murder' charges

Ohio is currently mulling a new abortion bill proposed by Republican senators, House Bill 413, which would force doctors to “reimplant an ectopic pregnancy” into the uterus of a woman who suffered from the complication.

This procedure is technically impossible, but if the doctor doesn’t perform it, the new bill states, they would face a charge of “abortion murder” the Guardian reports.

In an ectopic pregnancy, a complication which sees the embryo attach outside of the uterus, a woman can die if the tissue is allowed to continue growing.

On its website, the Mayo Clinic says of the complication: “An ectopic pregnancy can’t proceed normally. The fertilized egg can’t survive, and the growing tissue may cause life-threatening bleeding, if left untreated.”

The Guardian reports that obstetricians and gynaecologists in the state are now reminding the state’s legislators that the procedure is a medical impossibility.


This bill also proposes charges of aggravated murder for performing an abortion which means the doctor could technically be executed, and defines a fertilized ovum as a person.

All of this is probably just to get it pushed to the now-stacked SCOTUS so Roe v. Wade can be overturned, but putting people's lives at risk as a political gambit is, well, just what I would expect these days.
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Message 2021103 - Posted: 29 Nov 2019, 19:16:10 UTC - in response to Message 2021090.  

putting people's lives at risk as a political gambit is, well, just what I would expect these days.

Yes, very repugnant, but that is what happens when religion is mixed into government.
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Message 2021111 - Posted: 29 Nov 2019, 20:40:49 UTC

Another example of absolute stupidity. :-(
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Message 2021114 - Posted: 29 Nov 2019, 21:11:53 UTC - in response to Message 2021103.  
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As there is supposedly a separation of State and Religion but in practice doesn't happen. Then maybe removing the tax exemptions from those religious organisations that get involved with politics as they have broken the laws of the Constitution.
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