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One of those women who were very reluctant to have an abortion, agonized over it and had it to due to necessity was my wife...

When she married her first husband, they were living in a small apartment and wanted to get established in their careers before having children so that they would be born into a stable and prosperous household, so were using birth control. They both were working to save money, but unfortunately the husband's job failed to deliver on a promised promotion, so he resigned, being young and motivated enough knowing that he would end up with something better (which he did) but not when.

He was madly looking for work, up at five every morning to be the first in all the employment lineups even in winter, and his wife was working as hard and well as she could at her job, knowing she was mostly carrying both of them for a while, but they were alright as they were just scraping by...

... and then she discovered she was pregnant. The birth control had failed, as it often does.

This was before the days of widespread maternal leave and the abortion pill. Being pregnant could cost her job, and there was no guarantee of finding adoptive parents. Her husband was still looking for work. They were living hand-to-mouth as it was. She cried over the decision many times, and it haunts her to this day, but she had the abortion as soon as she could so that she was aborting something tiny and brainless, and as least baby-like as possible.

Those who think that they have the right to force women to be brood-mares and carry babies to term often dismiss the agony and tears that they go through in making this most personal and profound of decisions... treat it as if they were deciding nothing more than whether to have a mole excised. And not surprisingly, they are also the same people who would arbitrarily stall their abortions as long as possible so that they can then argue the women are aborting a baby rather than a fetus, and deny them effective birth control access and social services to support them or provide adoption services so that abortion is not required in the first place. But this is to be expected.

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Those who think that they have the right to force women to be brood-mares and carry babies to term often dismiss the agony and tears that they go through in making this most personal and profound of decisions.

Can't argue with that, in fact I'm one of those who feel that it is the woman's choice.

My own personal experience of abortions is one where several facts still bug me for over 2 decades. One weekday back in 1996, I returned home tired after a long day only to be told on entering home that I had an urgent call only minutes earlier, so put my coat back on & walked over to the family home which only took 4 minutes. A minute later the police arrived.

After listening to the officers, all I said was I'm going home & will not be calling here again. If you want to arrest me, you know where I live (1 of the officers knew me). I went home only to find the police officers waiting for me. I let them in & made coffee for all of us. I was asked what happened & told them what is written above. They found it hard to believe until my GF told them about the call & what time I got home.

The officer that knew me got on his radio & asked for the time that the call came in to the police. Here's what bugs me & still does.

I aarived home at 17:54, left at 17:55 arrived at family home 17:59 police arrived 18:00, call to the police was received at 17:58, their arrival was fast due to being in the area already. My car was in for servicing & MOT so my boss let me use my cab to get to work & back. Thank god for tachographs. As the police left, the officer that knew me gave my shoulder a squeeze as he shook his head.

A sibling who did not like what had occurred & told me the reason why several months later. All the family members were scared of me finding out what they wanted to be kept secret. A sibling had an abortion but fell pregnant a 2nd time by the same guy & didn't want kids so had a 2nd abortion. It was incidents that happened with that 2nd one that led to the incident involving me. :-( Personally then as now, that was none of my business.

Personally (right or wrong is immaterial) that only confirmed to me that women are funny creatures. Oh & if any one thinks that I may be taken to task for libel, that was tried 3.5 years ago until a solicitor told them that it would be very foolish as it would only confirm the incidents & give my books free publicity :-)

I was told many years ago by a sergeant-major that the worst battleground is the one on the home front. Christ was he right.

Important context I didn't see from this: did this happen in the UK or the ROI? (unsure as your profile lists the latter but you live in the former but unknown for how long.)

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Sorry about that Mr Kevvy, UK.

4 days to go. Took a long time coming but unfortunately, the Church still has influence. I still maintain that Church & State should be separate entities.

Ireland's time of reckoning

When the subject matter is abortion, many use the argument of contraception. That is all good & well but what if one lives in a catholic country where the church has major influence?

It wasn't until late 2010 that the church dropped its ban on the use of condoms & with reservations.

...all because the church loves an "invisible leprechaun"

Exit polls show landslide victory in favour of dropping the Irish eighth, which banned abortions.
BBC, WaPo




Something the Evangelists in the US should consider if it was to come to a referendum over there.

Something the Evangelists in the US should consider if it was to come to a referendum over there.

As well as others as mentioned by the Irish PM.

"The people have spoken. They have said we need a modern constitution for a modern country," he said.

Looking like a whopping YES

Something the Evangelists in the US should consider if it was to come to a referendum over there.

Its god's law, we are right, everyone else is the devil. Just like every other brown shirt.
The absence of religion will be required to reach a Type I civilization on the Kardashev scale.

66.4% say YES.

Meanwhile, Mickey & Donald want to shoot Goofy

Which category should she be in, actress, suffragette, terrorist and social justice reformer. The story of Kitty Marion who after fleeing the UK for New York, befriended Marion Sanger and became involved with her American Birth Control movement - which went on to become Planned Parenthood.
Kitty Marion: The actress who became a 'terrorist'

Lets consider some simplified numbers.
From 1930 till 1945 the birth rate was about 20 births per 1000 members of the population.
After that from 1946 till 1960 the birth rate was over 25 births per 1000 members of the population.

So for ever 20 people that reached retirement before 2010, there are now 25 reaching retirement age and this will continue until 2025. After that it will ramp down for the next ten years.

The present birthrate/1000 population is under 15, although the population is larger.

Any data on how legalized infanticide (abortion) has affected the "birthrate/1000"?

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Any data on how legalized infanticide (abortion) has affected the "birthrate/1000"?

What?
Infanticide is very much criminal.
Just as gun homicide is.
As you know there are by far more Americans that are dying of gun homicide then of infanticide,
Does that fact change the stats of Americans with jobs?
Of course not!

forced pregnancy -- RAPE, sigh

Lets consider some simplified numbers.
From 1930 till 1945 the birth rate was about 20 births per 1000 members of the population.
After that from 1946 till 1960 the birth rate was over 25 births per 1000 members of the population.

So for ever 20 people that reached retirement before 2010, there are now 25 reaching retirement age and this will continue until 2025. After that it will ramp down for the next ten years.

The present birthrate/1000 population is under 15, although the population is larger.

Eye would be more interested in death rates than birth rates.

Eye would be more interested in death rates than birth rates.

The future of the GOP ...

What?
Infanticide is very much criminal.
Just as gun homicide is.
As you know there are by far more Americans that are dying of gun homicide then of infanticide,
Does that fact change the stats of Americans with jobs?
Of course not!

Not when performed by Planned Parenthood.
Although it should be. My point is how many babies are MURDERED in the womb that would eventually join the 'employed' if allowed to simply be born.

By the Way............
https://secure.marketwatch.com/story/jobs-report-is-phenomenal-analysts-say-2018-06-01

."Jobs report is ‘phenomenal,’ analysts say "
• “The economy and labor market appear to be firing on all cylinders, with all sectors showing strength. The big difference between now and a year ago, however, is that decent gains in manufacturing and mining are complementing the steady growth in service sector employment.” — Paul Ashworth, chief U.S. economist, Capital Economics.

• “The big surprise here is average hourly earnings, which managed an above-trend increase despite facing two adverse calendar effects; May had an extra working day compared to normal, and the survey was conducted very early in the month. This suggests that the underlying data were very strong, though one month’s numbers don’t prove anything definitively.” — Ian Shepherdson, chief economist, Pantheon Macroeconomics.

• Diane Swonk, the chief economist at Grant Thornton, said the jobs numbers were good but participation was “still stubborn.” Oxford Economics chief U.S. economist Greg Daco similarly called a slip in the labor force participation rate “disappointing.”

Jobs numbers good but participation still stubborn and on decline. We should be moving in other direction.-demographics (retriees) only part of problem. Young women teens appear to have moved into labor force; others left or were unchanged.
— Diane Swonk (@DianeSwonk) June 1, 2018

So the major problem is those not willing to participate in the labor force...........could the reason be the last administration made is SO VERY EASY to stay home, draw welfare, get free healthcare because they are unemployed (Medicade), and generally not contribute to the benefit of society and their selves?

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

My point is how many babies are MURDERED in the womb that would eventually join the 'employed' if allowed to simply be born.

ZERO. Trig Palin and his like will have to be supported by taxpayers forever. What a vile filthy act of theft from society to burden them with this. But that is the GOP, pure selfishness -- I want a BABY -- gimme, gimme, gimme, worst welfare cheats on the planet. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Not when performed by Planned Parenthood.
Although it should be. My point is how many babies are MURDERED in the womb that would eventually join the 'employed' if allowed to simply be born.

You are way off topic!
MURDERED in the womb?
What the F**k are you talking about?
A fetus is a part of a women until it's born.
NOT part of a man!