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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31012 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
the under bridge dweller is incapable of that. It places words in others mouths. When they react to this vile action it claims it is being attacked. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Answer the question, after all it is a simple one to answer. Failing that, in what time frame is it safe to abort without it being a case of murder? Careful how you answer that one as if you answer in your normal fashion, you will be digging a big hole for yourself. BTW it is NOT a trick question or an attempt to "bait" you. BTW2, I'm directly involved in the answer. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Sirius B and Clyde,Stay on the forum long enough & you'll see for yourself. However, if you feel that you can succeed where many have failed, please do so, if you succeed, we'll follow. BTW Good Luck on that :-) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Enough of the deflections, answer the question. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Vadim... See the false and vicious attacks we must endure. Why they aren't stopped is the question.Dear Clyde, the answer to that is never... ...because you give too many, a laugh per day which is just what the doctor orders. Sincerely Sirius B |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36811 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Vadim if your daughter was raped by some lowlife scumbag and she got pregnant during that process would you make her carry the result of that rape to term? I certainly wouldn't put either of my daughters through that. The rape would be bad enough, but to carry the result of it to term would be even worse. Cheers. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Or going to full term after said rape all because parents pressurised her to full term because of Church control. Governments & Religions should remain out of abortion debates & leave it to the woman. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Not impossible as seen on this very thread, it worked in Ireland. WHY did it work?Governments & Religions should remain out of abortion debates & leave it to the woman. Simply because of the laws (created by government) & the massive influence the Church had on the country, they let a woman die because of said laws & Church, even though that abortion would have saved her life as the pregnancy was threatening it. That death caused massive outrage which eventually lead to the referendum recently held. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
If you were in Russia, you would have said differently. Russia population dies out.No problem Vadim. There are LOT of children out there. Accept immigration and adoption and all your "problem" is solved. (btw. Funny that the Russian media is so very concerned about the birth rates in Sweden, Finland and Estonia...) Now, this thread needs a woman touch. To me this male talk is purely bigotry! |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31012 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
What slavery are you talking about? A gun is placed to her head (police/court). The gun orders her to be pregnant. If the gun suspects she might stop being pregnant it puts her in a cage. After the birth the gun stays placed on her head. The gun orders her to work to provide for the baby. If she doesn't the gun puts her in a cage. In the cage it is forced labor as all prisons are. Forced pregnancy is evil. It is an evil on par with and is slavery. Giving an exception for rape is nice, but it is giving a total exception. All the woman has to do is say I was raped. Now she gets the abortion. A month later there isn't going to be evidence of rape, you have to take her word. Or do not take her word and force pregnancy on a woman who may well have been raped? Her body, her choice. And it really should be. http://time.com/4673035/do-the-child-free-live-longer/ A 2006 study published in the American Journal of Human Biology tracked 116 years of births–from 1886 to 2002–in four regions of Poland and found that women lost an astonishing 95 weeks of life for each child they carried. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3806 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
If you think Gary is exaggerating: El Salvador woman freed after 15 years in prison for abortion ... which probably wasn't even an abortion at all. Women are convicted for having natural miscarriages or stillbirths because the courts assume they were induced. A 34-year-old woman in El Salvador has been freed after spending 15 years in jail for having an abortion. A maid... these laws always target poor women, because wealthy women just don't tell anyone they are pregnant and go on "vacation" to a foreign country returning with no pregnancy, just as women in U.S. states do where abortion is restricted. Abortion is completely banned in El Salvador even in cases of rape, incest, or where the woman's life is in danger, and I am sure there are many that would like this to be the same in the U.S. and everywhere else. Unfortunately in the U.S. they seem to have a chance of succeeding. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
She was a happily married woman & both her & her husband wanted to start a family. Unfortunately during the pregnancy, complications set in. Ireland being Ireland refused to abort EVEN knowing it would cost her life. So not only has a woman died unnecessary but a husband lost a wife. Nothing at all to do with the woman wanting an abortion, but in that case an abortion was necessary to save her life. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Abortion is banned in El Salvador, a predominantly Roman Catholic nation, in any circumstances.As was Ireland. Thankfully that has now changed. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3806 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Maybe, but I do know that the death of that woman reached the Vatican & slowly, but slowly, their views are changing, so with that in mind, one cannot help but feel there is hope for women in countries like that. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31012 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Maybe, but I do know that the death of that woman reached the Vatican & slowly, but slowly, their views are changing, so with that in mind, one cannot help but feel there is hope for women in countries like that. There is little hope for anyone in that country, but that is another issue. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36811 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
I want to ask an interesting question, does a man have the right to know before the wedding, that his bride made an abortion(s)?No. Cheers. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31012 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
A normal woman between husband and child will always choose a child.Speaking for others is always risky. Or there is no such thing as normal. Once again I ask the question, if a woman does not want to have an abortion, that would save her life, the doctor should have abortion forcibly? Violates ethics. Doctors are not to do anything against the patients wishes. Only exception is when the patient is incompetent to make their own choices and in the USA that requires a court order. Attempting suicide might be such a case. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31012 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
WOMEN WHERE ARE YOU? WE ARE WAITING FOR YOUR OPINION! They are giving it loud and clear. Don't you hear it? |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36811 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
..If a bride can not have a child after an abortion, should a man know about it?...That would only happen if she went to a backyard butcher instead of a qualified physician and there are also many women out there that just can't have children at all due to several natural reasons and it's very unlikely that most of them would know of that either before marriage. Cheers. |
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