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Message 1942069 - Posted: 30 Jun 2018, 21:50:55 UTC - in response to Message 1942068.  

the under bridge dweller is incapable of that.
It places words in others mouths. When they react to this vile action it claims it is being attacked.
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Message 1942070 - Posted: 30 Jun 2018, 21:52:02 UTC - in response to Message 1942066.  

Answer the question, after all it is a simple one to answer. Failing that, in what time frame is it safe to abort without it being a case of murder?
Careful how you answer that one as if you answer in your normal fashion, you will be digging a big hole for yourself.
BTW it is NOT a trick question or an attempt to "bait" you. BTW2, I'm directly involved in the answer.
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Message 1942071 - Posted: 30 Jun 2018, 21:55:24 UTC - in response to Message 1942068.  

Sirius B and Clyde,

Enough to attack each other.
Express your opinion without attacking your opponent.
Respect each other.

Sincerely, Vadim.
Stay on the forum long enough & you'll see for yourself. However, if you feel that you can succeed where many have failed, please do so, if you succeed, we'll follow.

BTW Good Luck on that :-)
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Message 1942074 - Posted: 30 Jun 2018, 21:58:48 UTC - in response to Message 1942073.  

Enough of the deflections, answer the question.
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Message 1942083 - Posted: 30 Jun 2018, 22:18:52 UTC - in response to Message 1942078.  

Vadim... See the false and vicious attacks we must endure. Why they aren't stopped is the question.
Dear Clyde, the answer to that is never...
...because you give too many, a laugh per day which is just what the doctor orders.
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Message 1942089 - Posted: 30 Jun 2018, 22:40:28 UTC

Vadim if your daughter was raped by some lowlife scumbag and she got pregnant during that process would you make her carry the result of that rape to term?

I certainly wouldn't put either of my daughters through that. The rape would be bad enough, but to carry the result of it to term would be even worse.

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Message 1942091 - Posted: 30 Jun 2018, 22:44:44 UTC - in response to Message 1942089.  

Or going to full term after said rape all because parents pressurised her to full term because of Church control.
Governments & Religions should remain out of abortion debates & leave it to the woman.
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Message 1942101 - Posted: 30 Jun 2018, 23:18:34 UTC - in response to Message 1942098.  

Governments & Religions should remain out of abortion debates & leave it to the woman.


Do you understand that this is impossible?
Not impossible as seen on this very thread, it worked in Ireland. WHY did it work?
Simply because of the laws (created by government) & the massive influence the Church had on the country, they let a woman die because of said laws & Church, even though that abortion would have saved her life as the pregnancy was threatening it.

That death caused massive outrage which eventually lead to the referendum recently held.
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Message 1942105 - Posted: 30 Jun 2018, 23:27:40 UTC - in response to Message 1942098.  

If you were in Russia, you would have said differently. Russia population dies out.
No problem Vadim.
There are LOT of children out there.
Accept immigration and adoption and all your "problem" is solved.
(btw. Funny that the Russian media is so very concerned about the birth rates in Sweden, Finland and Estonia...)

Now, this thread needs a woman touch.
To me this male talk is purely bigotry!
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Message 1942110 - Posted: 30 Jun 2018, 23:45:08 UTC - in response to Message 1942086.  

What slavery are you talking about?

You claim the right to tell a woman what to do with her body, IMO that's slavery.


Is this slavery being put in prison for a crime? The body of the perpetrator is forcibly put in a cage.
If the court forbade the woman an abortion, then she will have to obey or go to jail. Is this slavery?

A gun is placed to her head (police/court). The gun orders her to be pregnant. If the gun suspects she might stop being pregnant it puts her in a cage. After the birth the gun stays placed on her head. The gun orders her to work to provide for the baby. If she doesn't the gun puts her in a cage. In the cage it is forced labor as all prisons are.

Forced pregnancy is evil. It is an evil on par with and is slavery.

Giving an exception for rape is nice, but it is giving a total exception. All the woman has to do is say I was raped. Now she gets the abortion. A month later there isn't going to be evidence of rape, you have to take her word. Or do not take her word and force pregnancy on a woman who may well have been raped?

Her body, her choice. And it really should be.
http://time.com/4673035/do-the-child-free-live-longer/
A 2006 study published in the American Journal of Human Biology tracked 116 years of births–from 1886 to 2002–in four regions of Poland and found that women lost an astonishing 95 weeks of life for each child they carried.
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Message 1942117 - Posted: 30 Jun 2018, 23:55:51 UTC
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If you think Gary is exaggerating:

El Salvador woman freed after 15 years in prison for abortion

... which probably wasn't even an abortion at all. Women are convicted for having natural miscarriages or stillbirths because the courts assume they were induced.

A 34-year-old woman in El Salvador has been freed after spending 15 years in jail for having an abortion.

Maira Verónica Figueroa Marroquín was released after her 30-year sentence for aggravated murder was reduced.

Abortion is banned in El Salvador, a predominantly Roman Catholic nation, in any circumstances.

Ms Figueroa always maintained her innocence. She said she suffered a stillbirth in a house where she was working as a maid in 2003.


A maid... these laws always target poor women, because wealthy women just don't tell anyone they are pregnant and go on "vacation" to a foreign country returning with no pregnancy, just as women in U.S. states do where abortion is restricted.

Abortion is completely banned in El Salvador even in cases of rape, incest, or where the woman's life is in danger, and I am sure there are many that would like this to be the same in the U.S. and everywhere else. Unfortunately in the U.S. they seem to have a chance of succeeding.
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Message 1942119 - Posted: 30 Jun 2018, 23:58:27 UTC - in response to Message 1942116.  

She was a happily married woman & both her & her husband wanted to start a family. Unfortunately during the pregnancy, complications set in. Ireland being Ireland refused to abort EVEN knowing it would cost her life. So not only has a woman died unnecessary but a husband lost a wife. Nothing at all to do with the woman wanting an abortion, but in that case an abortion was necessary to save her life.
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Message 1942120 - Posted: 1 Jul 2018, 0:00:51 UTC - in response to Message 1942117.  

Abortion is banned in El Salvador, a predominantly Roman Catholic nation, in any circumstances.
As was Ireland. Thankfully that has now changed.
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Message 1942122 - Posted: 1 Jul 2018, 0:04:42 UTC - in response to Message 1942120.  

As was Ireland. Thankfully that has now changed.


Indeed... I highly doubt El Salvador will similarly allow a referendum on the issue in the near future.
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Message 1942125 - Posted: 1 Jul 2018, 0:09:50 UTC - in response to Message 1942122.  

Maybe, but I do know that the death of that woman reached the Vatican & slowly, but slowly, their views are changing, so with that in mind, one cannot help but feel there is hope for women in countries like that.
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Message 1942127 - Posted: 1 Jul 2018, 0:14:21 UTC - in response to Message 1942125.  

Maybe, but I do know that the death of that woman reached the Vatican & slowly, but slowly, their views are changing, so with that in mind, one cannot help but feel there is hope for women in countries like that.

There is little hope for anyone in that country, but that is another issue.
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Message 1942137 - Posted: 1 Jul 2018, 1:23:38 UTC - in response to Message 1942135.  

I want to ask an interesting question, does a man have the right to know before the wedding, that his bride made an abortion(s)?

When the house is sold, the seller is obliged by law to tell whether there were murders in the house.
No.

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Message 1942139 - Posted: 1 Jul 2018, 1:26:52 UTC - in response to Message 1942128.  

A normal woman between husband and child will always choose a child.
Speaking for others is always risky. Or there is no such thing as normal.


Once again I ask the question, if a woman does not want to have an abortion, that would save her life, the doctor should have abortion forcibly?

Violates ethics. Doctors are not to do anything against the patients wishes. Only exception is when the patient is incompetent to make their own choices and in the USA that requires a court order. Attempting suicide might be such a case.
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Message 1942140 - Posted: 1 Jul 2018, 1:28:05 UTC - in response to Message 1942136.  

WOMEN WHERE ARE YOU? WE ARE WAITING FOR YOUR OPINION!

They are giving it loud and clear. Don't you hear it?
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Message 1942156 - Posted: 1 Jul 2018, 2:20:26 UTC
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..If a bride can not have a child after an abortion, should a man know about it?...
That would only happen if she went to a backyard butcher instead of a qualified physician and there are also many women out there that just can't have children at all due to several natural reasons and it's very unlikely that most of them would know of that either before marriage.

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