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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
There is no man, born, alive or dead who can talk with absolute assurance about abortion for the simple fact, they are not female. YET they are the ones making the laws, Arrogance or Hypocrisy? When it comes to legislation. Where are the females? Trump Signs Anti Abortion Law |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24911 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
LOL - Pen in one hand restricting the freedom of females while the other hand grabs them... |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
It is possible that this 'debate' will never conclude.For once, I do agree with you. There is no man, born, alive or dead who can talk with absolute assurance about abortion for the simple fact, they are not female. YET they are the ones making the laws, Arrogance or Hypocrisy? Most assuredly arrogance. Hypocrisy would imply they would do it themselves if they could and try to get away with it. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24911 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
So you're saying that "your" personal morality, religious beliefs & ideology dismisses a female as a 2nd class person only fit for your sexual requirements?It is possible that this 'debate' will never conclude.For once, I do agree with you. There is no man, born, alive or dead who can talk with absolute assurance about abortion for the simple fact, they are not female. YET they are the ones making the laws, Arrogance or Hypocrisy? 1: What name calling? 2: By looking at your answer one can safely assume you meant yourself. If Not, define "one's" in your sentence. 3: Provide evidence of my beliefs? YOU failed big time in your failure to accept the fact that people besides you have opinions & quite happy to be shown where those opinions are incorrect. Not once have you attempted to do that. Whenever you end up on your back foot... ...your "usual" get out of jail" cards appear. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24911 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Comprehension 101 commences Monday morning 09:00. Don't be late! |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31006 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
LOL - Pen in one hand restricting the freedom of females while the other hand grabs them... Why do I get the feeling that so called men who are against a woman having choice over her own body are also men like tRump who will assault a woman because they feel they own them. In other words they are more likely to believe in rape. A woman's body is for her. No different than Korea is for Korean's. Same mental block by the same people! |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3806 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
Unfortunately, Gary is correct... or at least was. For example in Canada rape within marriage was not made illegal until 1983 (it started to change in the 1970s in the U.S.), and those who tried to keep it legal often used religious excuses via the religious definition of marriage, just as those who are trying to ban abortion do. It would not be a stretch to claim an overlap between the two groups. One of the origins of the concept of a marital exemption from rape laws (a rule that a husband cannot be charged with the rape of his wife) is the idea that by marriage a woman gives irrevocable consent for her husband to have sex with her any time he demands it. This view was described by Sir Matthew Hale, in History of the Pleas of the Crown (1736), where he wrote that the wife "hath given up herself in this kind unto her husband, which she cannot retract." Also, American and English law subscribed until the 20th century to the system of coverture, that is, a legal doctrine under which, upon marriage, a woman's legal rights were subsumed by those of her husband. Edit: @Clyde I don't think you were included in that. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11415 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
LOL - Pen in one hand restricting the freedom of females while the other hand grabs them... When one asserts authority over another's body that seems like slavery to me. Are you opening up the question of the legitimacy of slavery? |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
LOL - Pen in one hand restricting the freedom of females while the other hand grabs them... "More likely" isn't all inclusive. He's not saying that all men who are against women having a choice over their own body believe in rape. He said they are "more likely" to, which means there's also a group that may be Pro-Life but not believe in rape. So the question is: why do you believe he was automatically including you in that group? |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36770 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Because that's the main sign of a guilty conscience? Cheers. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31006 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
So the question is: why do you believe he was automatically including you in that group?A very good question. It deserves a direct answer. We await. In the mean time, speculation will happen, which is the normal human condition. One possible answer is a similar to a characteristic that there is statistical evidence police officers share. Another possible answer involves baited fishhooks. Perhaps there is another answer that we will be informed of once he is back posting. We await a direct answer. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31006 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Unfortunately, Gary is correct... or at least was. For example in Canada rape within marriage was not made illegal until 1983 (it started to change in the 1970s in the U.S.), and those who tried to keep it legal often used religious excuses via the religious definition of marriage, just as those who are trying to ban abortion do. It would not be a stretch to claim an overlap between the two groups. Perhaps this sheds more light on those thought processes of men owning women: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trump-administration-could-narrow-affordable-care-acts-contraception-mandate/2017/10/05/16139400-a9f0-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.aeb1d8f6a23d The Trump administration issued a rule Friday that sharply limits the Affordable Care Act’s contraception coverage mandate, a move that could mean many American women would no longer have access to birth control free of charge. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24911 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
The Trump administration issued a rule Friday that sharply limits the Affordable Care Act’s contraception coverage mandate, a move that could mean many American women would no longer have access to birth control free of charge.Probably have a 51% stake in "Mates" :-) |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
[quote]Let us step back a moment from this very contentious debate. And understand, without name calling on both sides, what is the real question: That is an interesting question... When does consciousness begin... The old conventional wisdom was 'at some time after birth'. You sure? https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/consciousness-goes-deeper-than-you-think/ An article on the neuroscience of infant consciousness, which attracted some interest a few years ago, asked: “When does your baby become conscious?†The premise, of course, was that babies aren’t born conscious but, instead, develop consciousness at some point. (According to the article, it is about five months of age). Yet, it is hard to think that there is nothing it feels like to be a newborn. Conscious from the get-go... (birth). Well, if they are conscious from the moment of birth, is it not likely they are conscious *before* birth. I myself have seen instances where babies in the womb react to stimuli (during sonograms). Being startled. Etc. If they are conscious before birth, at what point does that consciousness develop? Questions, questions, questions... This is a thoroughly contentious issue. Abortion. Some approach it from a "religious perspective". Some approach it from a "woman's rights perspective". Some (myself included) approach it from a "human rights perspective", that is the right of a human being to not be killed without due process of law. Again, this is a thoroughly contentious issue, and perhaps one that does not need to be discussed here. No matter which opinion a person gives, it will be insulting to someone. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19398 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Could this be informative? Survive: Why aren't babies afraid of snakes? |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19398 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Cannot see what 45 is trying to achieve. Saving a few dollars now could bring big expenses in the next few years. cost of birth control pills - max $50/month ($600/year) cost of bringing up children - $14,000/ year |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31006 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Cannot see what 45 is trying to achieve. Saving a few dollars now could bring big expenses in the next few years. But they will be indoctrinated to be right wingnutz in the new right wingnut school system. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31006 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/25/560013894/jane-doe-has-abortion-in-texas-after-battle-with-trump-administration A 17-year-old undocumented immigrant to the U.S. underwent an abortion procedure on Wednesday morning, after a weeks-long legal fight with the Trump administration, which had sought to block her from leaving the detention facility where she's being held in Texas. A federal appeals court ruled in her favor on Tuesday. <edit>From a prospective of those who champion states rights, after Ms. Doe got her Texas court order, should the Feds have any say? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24911 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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