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Message 1971165 - Posted: 20 Dec 2018, 6:20:44 UTC

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Message 1984553 - Posted: 11 Mar 2019, 15:30:17 UTC

E-mail received from the Grenfell group.

Last night we had an update from the police about the criminal investigation into the Grenfell Fire. It was difficult news. We found out that criminal charges for the Grenfell fire are unlikely to be brought until 2021 at the earliest.
There are reasons for this. The police are working through millions of documents relating to the refurbishment of the tower. The Public Inquiry, although independent, is proving useful to the police but won’t finish until at least 2021. But it doesn’t make it any less of a bitter pill to swallow.

We are living in limbo with no individuals or organisations being held accountable and it is so painful for all of us who lost loved ones and our homes that night. We wait month after month, our lives on hold, for some kind of justice and progress.
Today your support matters more than ever. We need to make sure politicians know that what happened at Grenfell won’t be forgotten.
We’ve been dignified throughout all of this, but underneath we’re angry and frustrated. There are companies and people still going about their business whose actions led to the deaths of 72 of our neighbours.

The week after the fire Theresa May promised us justice. Justice for us means accountability and change. Today we see little real change - thousands of people are still living in homes with dangerous cladding, people in social housing are still being mistreated by landlords and we still wait for any kind of justice. That’s why today I’m contacting the Prime Minister Theresa May to demand an urgent update on what the Government is doing for justice and change.

We will not allow this Government to let this fade away.
On days like today, when the news is hard, your support matters the most. Grenfell United is made up entirely of survivors and bereaved families from the fire. There is a long road ahead of us and your support is keeping us strong.

Thank you.
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Message 1985879 - Posted: 18 Mar 2019, 21:48:20 UTC

Justice in this case is vital.
The rouble is by demanding "instant justice" it is highly probable that those that made the real decisions that killed 72 people would not be identified as they have buried themselves in the bowels of the various consultancies and advisory bodies that told the politicians what was "the right thing to do".
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Message 1985882 - Posted: 18 Mar 2019, 21:58:09 UTC - in response to Message 1985879.  

There will always be scapegoats. In this case the politicians while the consultants & advisors slink off to better positions a la "jobs for the boys".
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Message 1985887 - Posted: 18 Mar 2019, 22:12:44 UTC - in response to Message 1985882.  

There will always be scapegoats. In this case the politicians while the consultants & advisors slink off to better positions a la "jobs for the boys".

I thought we established it was NIH who was responsible. Joelma. Not Invented Here. How many years? How many people? How toxic the culture? How can you ignore a lesson? Toxic masculinity we are better than they are, so can't happen here. Laws of physics apply universally. Need Another Seven Astronauts is the exact same issue. Complacency
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Message 1986257 - Posted: 21 Mar 2019, 0:38:36 UTC

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Message 1986673 - Posted: 23 Mar 2019, 0:56:17 UTC

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Message 1986722 - Posted: 23 Mar 2019, 12:40:14 UTC - in response to Message 1986673.  
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Nothing new. :-(

I'm the head honcho, so you'll do as you're told...
...or go

What they think of us that pay their salaries:
I don't think the general public are even slightly interested in this," says Mayor James Palmer answering questions on severance deal for @CambsPboroCA chief executive.
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Message 1987006 - Posted: 25 Mar 2019, 8:01:41 UTC

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Message 1987591 - Posted: 28 Mar 2019, 10:56:10 UTC

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Message 1987593 - Posted: 28 Mar 2019, 11:32:44 UTC - in response to Message 1987591.  

'Huge concentrations' of toxins found in Grenfell soil, study finds

That one comes from 12 October 2018. What have they been waiting for? Publication date?

The only 'news' here is how long it takes to admit that something needed to be done years ago.
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Message 1987594 - Posted: 28 Mar 2019, 12:16:20 UTC - in response to Message 1987593.  

“Public Health England has looked at air quality and Prof Stec has been looking at the soil, which are two different things,” one source said.
Too fixated on statistics & paperwork.
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Message 1987603 - Posted: 28 Mar 2019, 13:27:14 UTC - in response to Message 1987594.  

“Public Health England has looked at air quality and Prof Stec has been looking at the soil, which are two different things,” one source said.
And preconceptions. Public Health England's groupthink was fixated on air quality: they didn't even look down at the ground. Prof Stec did look at soil, and reported what she found - back in October.
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Message 1987606 - Posted: 28 Mar 2019, 13:34:16 UTC - in response to Message 1987603.  

...and waiting for her completed report sometime in 2020 so that they can ascertain the issues before they can provide recommendations or remedies.

You really have to admire the stamina of bureaucrats.
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Message 1987607 - Posted: 28 Mar 2019, 13:41:43 UTC

Sounds like you guys could use our EPA. As Rump wants to get rid of it, why don't you borrow it for a couple of years until Rump is replaced. I'm sure they could teach your guys by then.
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Message 1987612 - Posted: 28 Mar 2019, 14:50:18 UTC

Coooo - soil contamination.....
Well that is no surprise after a fire like like and the thousands of gallons of water pumped onto it.
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Message 1989619 - Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 9:40:00 UTC

The local council in Peebles says the mortar used was not the type in the original building warrant and was changed later without its knowledge.
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Message 1989621 - Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 9:42:57 UTC - in response to Message 1989619.  

The local council in Peebles says the mortar used was not the type in the original building warrant and was changed later without its knowledge.
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Just reading that, when Breaking news came up. see http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=82366&postid=1989620#1989620
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Message 1989622 - Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 9:45:26 UTC - in response to Message 1989621.  
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Same here. Just waiting now for the "Orange One" to tweet "What took you guys so long? NOW send him here!"
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Message 1989993 - Posted: 14 Apr 2019, 8:28:27 UTC

The drums beat on...
...shame no one is listening.
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