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Message 1891105 - Posted: 21 Sep 2017, 7:47:52 UTC

Because it is - just that the focus just now is on the situation in the UK. Also there has been less re-working of older buildings and more demolish and replace - the rules for re-working tend to be less stringent than new-build, which in my book is not a good way to do things.
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Message 1891109 - Posted: 21 Sep 2017, 8:07:30 UTC

Does the LFB have a valid point?

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Message 1892161 - Posted: 28 Sep 2017, 13:47:16 UTC

What amazing, upstanding officials we have in this country!

“Yes, it was an accident, but it could have been avoided. The residents never wanted cladding, we wanted sprinklers. We said to them many times it didn’t feel safe after the regeneration work they spent three years doing. They kept saying, ‘Be quiet, it’s fine.’”

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Message 1892932 - Posted: 2 Oct 2017, 12:24:50 UTC

IMHO, some people should learn when to STFU!

"Dent Coad was elected to Conservative-controlled Kensington and Chelsea London Borough Council in 2006, representing Golborne ward. She served as a council-appointed board member of Kensington and Chelsea TMO, the tenant management organisation which manages the council's housing stock, from 27 June 2008 to 31 October 2012.In 2013/4 she was a member of the council's Housing and Property Scrutiny Committee. She has been a member of the council's Planning Applications Committee since May 2013, and a member of the main Planning Committee since June 2014. She is a member of the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority."

Dent Coad's rant on Prince George's "expensive jumpers"
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Message 1893040 - Posted: 3 Oct 2017, 8:01:46 UTC

Is there no end to it?
Don't take life too seriously, as you'll never come out of it alive!
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Message 1895382 - Posted: 14 Oct 2017, 21:04:48 UTC

Shockingly stunning picture of Grenfell Tower on the BBC site.



And in Birmingham
Birmingham tower blocks have no central fire alarm
Two thirds of Birmingham's 213 tower blocks only have one exit stairwell - and none have centralised fire alarm systems, a BBC investigation has found.
Inside Out found fire doors that did not shut properly, others that were not fire resistant and wooden frames that would not stop a blaze spreading.
An expert said council advice for people to 'stay put' if a fire breaks out was unsafe in one block he viewed.
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Message 1897260 - Posted: 24 Oct 2017, 11:22:15 UTC

"However, the true figure is likely to be considerably higher, as numerous local authorities and housing associations refused to give the BBC an answer.
"We learned in the Great Fire of London it's not a good idea to clad buildings in flammable material," he added."

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Message 1897280 - Posted: 24 Oct 2017, 23:33:20 UTC - in response to Message 1897260.  

52 building and counting in London alone. That is frightening.

Makes me wonder about the US.

But like so many things, enough people have to die before something changes.
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Message 1897283 - Posted: 24 Oct 2017, 23:38:43 UTC - in response to Message 1897280.  

Except when it comes to gun control (which of course means taking them all away). People will keep dying and the answer is to arm more citizens with weapons.
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Message 1897286 - Posted: 25 Oct 2017, 0:03:02 UTC - in response to Message 1897283.  

Except when it comes to gun control (which of course means taking them all away). People will keep dying and the answer is to arm more citizens with weapons.

+1

It is a vicious circle of which I do not have an acceptable solution. I can see it changing in a couple more generations possibly.
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Message 1897287 - Posted: 25 Oct 2017, 0:10:05 UTC - in response to Message 1897286.  

Given my understanding of your views on gun control, I think you missed my sarcasm. Gun control doesn't mean taking them all away and the answer is not to arm all the citizens as that will absolutely make things worse. Police arriving on scene will not be able to immediately tell who the hostile is, possibly until after it's too late.

(Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread.)
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Message 1897293 - Posted: 25 Oct 2017, 0:32:07 UTC - in response to Message 1897287.  

Nope, I got it. Har! I do wish things were better.
(Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread.)

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Message 1897320 - Posted: 25 Oct 2017, 3:38:25 UTC

Hijacking? Says who? :-)

I like good conversations. Never known one yet to stick rigidly to one topic.
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Message 1902660 - Posted: 24 Nov 2017, 8:16:59 UTC

No one listened

"Hidden within the story of the Grenfell blog is another story of the decline of local media. There simply was no local press on the ground in the borough of Kensington and Chelsea scrutinising the authorities and helping to amplify the voice of people like Edward Daffarn.
But when the newspaper was closed down later that year Horrox was made redundant and all her Grenfell articles disappeared from the web."

So much for archiving then.

For all those letter writers, how sure are you that your letters are not in some basement filing cabinets gathering dust?
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Message 1902674 - Posted: 24 Nov 2017, 9:33:25 UTC - in response to Message 1902660.  

In a properly civilised country, copies of the local paper would be archived in the local public library for future research - at worst, on microfilm. But I bet that's been binned too.
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Message 1902704 - Posted: 24 Nov 2017, 14:36:53 UTC - in response to Message 1902674.  

March 2016

December 2016

When they're gone, they're gone!

So who will archive sites/companies/newspapers/servers that go down?
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Message 1910061 - Posted: 1 Jan 2018, 18:20:25 UTC

"The fire chief said a sprinkler system could have stopped the fire, which began accidentally, from spreading.
Liverpool mayor Joe Anderson said there were lessons to be learned."

Unfortunately, nobody listens as all that is in their vision is ££££££.

1,400 vehicles destroyed
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Message 1910065 - Posted: 1 Jan 2018, 18:36:28 UTC - in response to Message 1910061.  

"The fire chief said a sprinkler system could have stopped the fire, which began accidentally, from spreading.
Liverpool mayor Joe Anderson said there were lessons to be learned."

Unfortunately, nobody listens as all that is in their vision is ££££££.

1,400 vehicles destroyed

Cars, not tower blocks, nothing to be done, no changes to fire codes.
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Message 1910073 - Posted: 1 Jan 2018, 19:35:20 UTC - in response to Message 1910065.  

True, but had that occurred after the show finished...
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