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Al Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1682 Credit: 477,343,364 RAC: 482 |
I thought I would post this question out to everyone, to have them chime in on to see if there is anything close to a consensus as to what SETI's most pressing needs are. I know they are many, it appears hardware might be a concern right now, as well as obviously manpower, that is always an issue these days. Hardware is probably easier to resolve than a lack of personnel I would think. So, what would be the most urgent issue that replacing it would provide the greatest amount of good? Or is it more of a web of things that need to be addressed all at once, if the funding were available? Thoughts? |
Zalster Send message Joined: 27 May 99 Posts: 5517 Credit: 528,817,460 RAC: 242 |
You are right but until the staff tells us their needs and how we can help, really nothing we can do. I know in the past there have been fundraisers for the project but without input from the staff, it's hard to get much done. Probably what they really need is $$ to hire more staff (intern, etc) to help them police the current hardware and see where improvements can be had. |
Mike Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34253 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 |
Money is always important but i can ask Eric if there are special needs in short term. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11359 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Money is always important but i can ask Eric if there are special needs in short term. Yes, IMO what the project needs are more people with green stars |
Al Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1682 Credit: 477,343,364 RAC: 482 |
Money is always important but i can ask Eric if there are special needs in short term.That would be great if you could do that, I'd appreciate hearing it directly from the 'horses mouth' so to speak. That way there would be no ambiguity to it. Thanks! |
Brent Norman Send message Joined: 1 Dec 99 Posts: 2786 Credit: 685,657,289 RAC: 835 |
I believe the last tidbit I heard was a couple of servers with 24 SSDs. Probably much like what they have shown in that Greenbank video. Which brings that up, all that receiving equipment of that precision is a lot of dollars and probably where a lot of money goes for new installs like that. |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
More specialists in data processing and radiophysisists. SETI apps news We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them. |
Al Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1682 Credit: 477,343,364 RAC: 482 |
More specialists in data processing and radiophysisists.Yeah, personnel. That would be a harder nut to crack, I would think. Hardware is a one time investment, people are an ongoing expense, which has to be budgeted for every year. I know they would have a huge positive impact on the project, I just expect that it will be hard to get anyone added to the project without a long term commitment of funding for that person/s. But hey, here's hoping! |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13161 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
I believe the last tidbit I heard was a couple of servers with 24 SSDs. Probably much like what they have shown in that Greenbank video. Which brings that up, all that receiving equipment of that precision is a lot of dollars and probably where a lot of money goes for new installs like that. What "Greenbank video"? I must have missed that. I'm willing to further donate to the project but it would be nice to know just what hardware they are most in need of to keep the project running with less interruptions or hands-on maintenance that requires scarce personnel intervention. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
I believe the last tidbit I heard was a couple of servers with 24 SSDs. Yes, there will apparently be a requirement soon for a new storage multi-drive bay + compute capability for new data sources. The specs are still being worked out. I suspect that this will be required for bringing Parkes online as Breakthrough Listen data source. |
Brent Norman Send message Joined: 1 Dec 99 Posts: 2786 Credit: 685,657,289 RAC: 835 |
What "Greenbank video"?This one Keith http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=81290 |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
Lots of thoughts/opinions to add here. So many it will take some time to form a proper response. Probably most important in my eyes is that the Universities, as degree mills, are probably the least appropriate venue for anything worthwhile. "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13720 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
Probably most important in my eyes is that the Universities, as degree mills, are probably the least appropriate venue for anything worthwhile. But if you've got some money they can provide some cheap, well educated, labor. Uni students always need more money for more alcohol. Grant Darwin NT |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
Probably most important in my eyes is that the Universities, as degree mills, are probably the least appropriate venue for anything worthwhile. Good point :D. Will try to figure where the undergraduate slave labour market fits into the bigger picture. "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22160 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
The UGSM will require hardware and infrastructure to support their efforts. Plus supervision - I've seen the 4*P that can be (often is) the result of a group of UGSM. So, clone DA, EK, DW, ML. JC, AS et-al, give them loads of new servers, plenty of money and UGSM... Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13161 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
What "Greenbank video"?This one Keith http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=81290 Ahh, thanks Brent. I only remembered that video with respect its emphasis on water cooling. Didn't associate the brief mentions of the storage systems with anything to do with SSD's. See that they are using Seagate Red 5TB drives. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13161 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
Nitpicker never happened, but what is happening is the Nebula project over at Einstein's Atlas cluster. We need to convince people in the first place, that crunching for Seti@Home is worthwhile doing and funding. That done, THEN we need to see about what they need to run it. D.A. posted a progress update yesterday on the Nebula project thread. Looks like they are getting a better idea on how to crunch our 18 years worth of data by getting rid of the noise sources. They are still grappling with what are the best tools to reduce the data. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
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HAL9000 Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57 |
See that they are using Seagate Red 5TB drives. Seems they are actually using Toshiba drives. http://i.imgur.com/JCdsbE3.png SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13161 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
My mistake. I just saw the red label and some manufacturer identifier that was NOT WD. There are good reports on the 5TB Toshiba hard drive reliability. who-makes-the-most-reliable-hard-drives I'm not sure what the benefit of going to SSD drives would be. It's not a situation where you need constant access to the data array. I would think you just need an array large enough to hold the datasets that you are going to analyze. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
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