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Message 1918330 - Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 21:00:34 UTC - in response to Message 1918318.  

What I see going on here is the metaphorical pushing of people's buttons for entertainment. Everybody in this thread has been around for awhile, and we are familiar with a lot of each other's idiosyncracies, and those are easy to exploit. Based on our common knowledge of how we interact with each other on the Politics forum, I don't see where any of us in this thread can really say we're suffering emotionally in this thread. That's why, so far, I do not consider any of us victims in the online bullying/flaming sort of way, but we're definitely wasting our time.
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Message 1918335 - Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 21:16:21 UTC

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Message 1918339 - Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 21:20:49 UTC - in response to Message 1918330.  

What I see going on here is the metaphorical pushing of people's buttons for entertainment. Everybody in this thread has been around for awhile, and we are familiar with a lot of each other's idiosyncracies, and those are easy to exploit. Based on our common knowledge of how we interact with each other on the Politics forum, I don't see where any of us in this thread can really say we're suffering emotionally in this thread. That's why, so far, I do not consider any of us victims in the online bullying/flaming sort of way, but we're definitely wasting our time.

We then agree to disagree.

Do we agree that these posters are destroying any discussions, including disagreements, by their never-ending commerdering?

If you say they do not:

There will be no problem in emulating their ad nauseum initial posts when they either post or respond to a post.

Therefore...

If you say do not respond in the same manner. You are acknowledging my point.

If you say 'hid' their post and do not ask them to 'hid' my posts if they find them...

Repeating what the real problem is: Their destruction of any discussion, no matter how heated they may become, by their never-ending commedering posts.

BTW Gordon Lowe: I do find our disagreement to be intellectually interesting. Perhaps another Subject should be added to 'Politics' regarding our disagreement.
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Message 1918342 - Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 21:26:39 UTC - in response to Message 1918339.  

Yes, everybody who is playing the game, is to blame. Everybody loses because this thread has devolved into blah.

Playing the victim card is in itself a dark form of entertainment.

As Britney Spears would say, "Oops, I did it again."
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Message 1918344 - Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 21:28:19 UTC - in response to Message 1918342.  
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Yes, everybody who is playing the game, is to blame. Everybody loses because this thread has devolved into blah.

Playing the victim card is in itself a dark form of entertainment.

As Britney Spears would say, "Oops, I did it again."

The "victim" are these discussions, which you refuse to admit.

The initiator's aren't to blame for destroying discussions?
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Message 1918345 - Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 21:31:09 UTC - in response to Message 1918344.  

The initiator's aren't to blame for destroying discussions?


I think it's a chicken or egg thing.
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Message 1918347 - Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 21:34:27 UTC - in response to Message 1918345.  

The initiator's aren't to blame for destroying discussions?


I think it's a chicken or egg thing.

No. It is your excusing the initiator's. Which enables them to destroy these discussions.

Why?
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Message 1918350 - Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 21:38:33 UTC

Roll a joint Clyde and chill out. ;-)

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Message 1918351 - Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 21:41:57 UTC
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Gordon?
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Message 1918355 - Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 21:51:01 UTC - in response to Message 1918351.  

I almost said what Wiggo said, but I didn't think that would be politically correct.

What I mean by the chicken or egg thing is, it's hard to find a starting point. We're all guilty on some level for posting something at some time that offends someone. Sometimes it's intentional, but most of the time I don't think people aim to be hurtful.
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Message 1918360 - Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 22:07:43 UTC - in response to Message 1918355.  

I almost said what Wiggo said, but I didn't think that would be politically correct.

What I mean by the chicken or egg thing is, it's hard to find a starting point. We're all guilty on some level for posting something at some time that offends someone. Sometimes it's intentional, but most of the time I don't think people aim to be hurtful.

Thank you for finally confirming what many are saying in the PM's. It didn't take as long as I thought it would.

We do find this confirmation, no matter how fleeting, to be satisfying.

Now if you will allow:

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Message 1918362 - Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 22:20:16 UTC

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Message 1918365 - Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 22:33:04 UTC - in response to Message 1918318.  

Bullying is something to be taken very seriously. There's definitely some inane taunting going on, but I don't see the posts in this thread as threatening. Everyone who has posted here knows each other's style pretty well by now, and I think buttons are just being pressed for entertainment.

Discussion of the issue can be done by sending email to: seti_moderators@ssl.berkeley.edu

Conversations about politics don't have to be so ugly; it's no wonder so few people participate in the Politics forum. If I was new and just passing through, there is no way I would be interested in contributing anything here after reading the paths some of these threads take. Let's just all take the hi-road and move on.

If the Flamer's will allow.

Flaming: "or with many people teaming up on a single victim". No threats need be to be involved to be considered Flaming.

As Fred - SETI Forums Admin setiforums at ssl.berkeley.edu instructed: "Do not spam the board with flames. That is not acceptable behavior."

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=77714&postid=1701519#1701519

Pushing buttons for entertainment? No.

Flaming for entertainment? Yes.

Edit: Much more important. Is the destruction of any serious discussion by the Flamer's and their excusal.

Consider you are not being "teamed up on" but that many of us feel that your redundant and often inane posts should be commented on.
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Message 1918371 - Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 22:47:04 UTC - in response to Message 1918362.  

Australia aims for global domination of medicinal cannabis market.

Cheers.

Quoted comment from that page says it all. har...
And now just to throw a bucket of insult into this bathtub full if injury, the Australian government wants to be a big exporter of medical cannabis to countries with up to date laws and attitudes while restricting the benefits of this panacea as much as possible at home.

Why am I not surprised?

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Message 1918374 - Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 22:55:27 UTC

Comments? Most usually posted by the uninformed?

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Message 1918398 - Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 0:05:56 UTC - in response to Message 1918374.  

Comments? Most usually posted by the uninformed?

Yawn.

You did not even read the comments did you?

Yep this guy is sure uninformed alright. har...

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7PM 3 1 2018#

Along with a right-frontal brain injury from a high speed collision with a semi, I was also left with chronic dicsogenic pain with neuropathy caused by several inoperable prolapsed discs in my thoracic spine which exacerbates the damaged area of my cervical spine that was fused after the crash. This causes muscle spasms and very strong "electric" pain from the middle of my back to the top of my head and usually presents as migraine activity with copious vomiting.

In the 21 years since the injuries my many doctors have pumped me full of all manner of Big Pharma's products from opiates and opioids to gabapentanoids and others that just seemed to be on the basis of "try this and see what happens", some of which worked slightly albeit with side effects, most just produced side effects without benefit and the gabapentanoids nearly finished me.

It was recommended to me by a senior pain management doctor that cannabis would be efficacious for controlling the otherwise unstoppable vomiting, and lo and behold, it not only turns off the vomiting like flicking a switch, it is so efective at treating the nerve pain that I was able to do away with all other meds when trialing it.

That's the good part, unfortunately I am a rural person who relies a driver's licence and needs a firearms licence to control invasive pest species on the property on which I live.

This means that I am unable to access what is in effect a non-toxic cure for the ills that plague me that I could easily grow in the dirt, because if I was to test positive at the roadside neither the police or the courts would care about the reason. I would lose my driver's licence, my firearms licence, my firearms and probably, with guns in the equation, my liberty.

The current drug testing of drivers relies on detecting inactive metabolites in their blood, not active THC which can cause impairment, so even though I would no more drive immediately after using cannabis than I would if I had been drinking, I could be prosecuted a week or more after the last dose and be charged with driving while impaired, even though some police are willing to acknowledge that their testing is more to find users and not impairment.

And now just to throw a bucket of insult into this bathtub full if injury, the Australian government wants to be a big exporter of medical cannabis to countries with up to date laws and attitudes while restricting the benefits of this panacea as much as possible at home.

Why am I not surprised?

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Message 1918404 - Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 0:41:00 UTC

As I said, "uninformed", medical marijuana is still going through state trails here ATM so it is not an "Approved" drug as yet and those trials are only being carried out by a handful of doctors in each state (you're lucky if you're a patient of 1 of them, and good on you, if not, then you miss out and have to wait).

I have the same problem and just like him we'll have to wait for the outcome of these trials first (if he talked with his doctor about the subject he'd be much better informed).

Now I'll go back to yawning and enjoy a beer or 2 up the hill. ;-)

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Message 1918413 - Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 1:46:32 UTC - in response to Message 1918404.  

As I said, "uninformed", medical marijuana is still going through state trails here ATM so it is not an "Approved" drug as yet and those trials are only being carried out by a handful of doctors in each state (you're lucky if you're a patient of 1 of them, and good on you, if not, then you miss out and have to wait).

I have the same problem and just like him we'll have to wait for the outcome of these trials first (if he talked with his doctor about the subject he'd be much better informed).

Now I'll go back to yawning and enjoy a beer or 2 up the hill. ;-)

Cheers.

Here in Florida, where medical marijuana is legal. Our Primary Physician's office has many signs informing patients that he prescribes medical marijuana.
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Message 1918414 - Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 2:17:37 UTC - in response to Message 1918404.  

Hopefully it works out for you. It is a blessing in so many ways for those in need.

After 40 years of Tinnitus from Vietnam I have relief today.

Also hope they do not tax MMJ to death like my state (Washington) does. Same tax (37%) for both MMJ and recreational marijuana with state sales tax at 9.9% on top. It was a three tier at 25% each and sales tax as fourth tax.

The best I can do is get annual MMJ authorization ($60 - $200 a year), sign a State Register annually and then I do not have to pay state sales tax.

Whoopee ding ding...
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Message 1918417 - Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 2:59:47 UTC - in response to Message 1918414.  

For those of us on the upper left coast it's better than it was, not perfect but a lot better.
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