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Message 1866824 - Posted: 12 May 2017, 1:21:02 UTC - in response to Message 1863881.  

I am sad that their are so many immature people causing you Grief.
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Message 1866836 - Posted: 12 May 2017, 3:35:10 UTC - in response to Message 1866760.  

I think its outlandish to associate SETI@home with any of the political unrest at berkley. . . however, as a white man and someone who is conservative on some issues , I find Eric's white supremacist comment suggestive and offensive. It sounds rather like taking sides .


I still don't understand why white conservatives take offense at such a direct comment. If you're a white conservative that's not racist, then he's not talking about you. Are non-racist white conservatives overly touchy on this point for a reason?
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Message 1866838 - Posted: 12 May 2017, 3:43:49 UTC - in response to Message 1866769.  

It sounds like there's still going to be a riot in Berkeley tomorrow because apposing groups of white supremacists and a group of left wing anarchists are ignoring commandments 2, 3, and 4.

How about next time leaving out the politically charged descriptors and there will be little said.


He described them as they are. He's talking about a very specific group of people from both sides. The only reason it seems to be politically charged is that people somehow see themselves in those descriptors (see my commnet above to the other poster). Why have the white conservative base become so outspoken in this thread against the phrase and why do they think his comment was a blanket statement about all white conservative people? Seems to me if you're not racist, then he's not talking about you no matter what your political leanings are.
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Message 1866848 - Posted: 12 May 2017, 5:00:45 UTC

I have nothing to add to this other than to congratulate you on the correct use of the word effect, it's a constant source of annoyance when people are unable to use words in their correct context. It is a minor source of pleasure when it is used correctly, especially in a nicely composed mini rant.
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Message 1866851 - Posted: 12 May 2017, 5:24:31 UTC

Yet another long term cruncher is moved to make their first ever post in 17 years regarding this matter. There are quite a number now and significantly, they all say well done Eric. We are beginning to see the stance taken by long term supporters of this project, contrasting markedly with some of those that joined later. I'm not sure what conclusions can be, or indeed should be, drawn from that.
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Message 1866999 - Posted: 12 May 2017, 21:32:13 UTC

Long term cruncher here again, I've been running SETI at home from the beginning in 1999. . . I am also a donor ( not much, but more than most ). The name calling is offensive , is this about science or politics ?
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Message 1867086 - Posted: 13 May 2017, 8:36:23 UTC

Seti@Home is of course about the science, it always was, but the project is hosted by UCB, whom as we all know has a bit of history.

"Flower Power originated in Berkeley, California, as a symbolic action of protest against the Vietnam War in 1965. Ginsberg wanted to counter the "spectre" of the Hells Angels motorcycle gangs who supported the war, equated war protesters with communists, and had threatened to violently disrupt planned anti-war demonstrations at UCB."

People here have to decide what means more to them, the Science that the project is doing, OR the political goings on at the Uni, of which the project has no connection to, or influence on. Personally I find it sad that people want to leave a scientific project for political reasons, but as Eric said, they are free to do so if that is how they feel.
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Message 1867119 - Posted: 13 May 2017, 14:07:53 UTC
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It is sad when people cant keep politics out of things and leave science to be what it should be - netural.

Its also sad that Eric had to spend his time here posting such commonsense.

Oh well, those that dont want to crunch anymore can go. Plenty more people to cunch their data.

Just wanted to use my 1st post to put my 2 cents worth in. Going back into the woodwork again now.
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Message 1867151 - Posted: 13 May 2017, 19:40:00 UTC - in response to Message 1867119.  

Beautifully written there Eric.

There are always consequences for speech, seldom is it 'free'. Extreme views are now becoming more mainstream, unfortunately the moderate view tends to get drowned out in the rush to ratings and infotainment. Glad that science and curiosity are still things of value in our small community.

And a long time contributor as well, speaking out in support of Eric.

Now back to crunching...
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Message 1867152 - Posted: 13 May 2017, 19:56:25 UTC

When He said 'White Supremacists', He did not Specify in Original Post, what 'Group' is Comprised of These White Supremacists.

So, as A White Person, I Took Offense.

He Did Not Specify White/Black/Muslim/et al 'Leftist Anarchists'.

Very Telling.

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Message 1867154 - Posted: 13 May 2017, 20:11:09 UTC - in response to Message 1863881.  

The first amendment says the government cannot abridge your speech. Does not say you can say anything you want. Be polite and respectful.
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Message 1867156 - Posted: 13 May 2017, 20:26:02 UTC - in response to Message 1867152.  
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So, as A White Person, I Took Offense.

Dull who was once a worm, as a white 71 yr old male I did not! Your paranoia is showing.
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Message 1867157 - Posted: 13 May 2017, 20:59:37 UTC - in response to Message 1867152.  
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When He said 'White Supremacists', He did not Specify in Original Post, what 'Group' is Comprised of These White Supremacists.

So, as A White Person, I Took Offense.


Why? I'm a white person and I wasn't offended because I know I don't hold white supremacist views.

He Did Not Specify White/Black/Muslim/et al 'Leftist Anarchists'.

Very Telling.


Indeed it is telling. It's also telling how people choose to interpret what they read as well.

You see, when a group gathers together, their motive defines the label. In the case of the white supremacists that wanted to speak on campus, they were there to spread their white nationalist views.

Likewise, the group that wanted to prevent the white supremacists from speaking decided they were going to threaten to cause lots of damage to public property. This group openly called themselves anarchists. Presumably this latter group despises the former group and was comprised of various people that wouldn't fit into a label of "white/black/muslim" when defining them as leftist anarchists, so adding that to the label would not make sense. However, the white supremacists were there indeed as white supremacists. The label fits and makes sense.

Simple, really.
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Message 1867160 - Posted: 13 May 2017, 21:35:19 UTC

Another 2 cents from a long time cruncher ( since 1999 ) and donor :
I don't like the implications of Eric's White Supremacist comment that displays every time I open up BOINC comment section. . . Until such time of its removal I won't be
crunching or donating to the project.
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Message 1867162 - Posted: 13 May 2017, 21:56:34 UTC - in response to Message 1867160.  


. . . Until such time of its removal I won't be crunching or donating to the project.

Every new post to this thread regenerates that notice so either live with it or.....

It only seems to annoy those who are anyway.

Thankfully I use a BOINC version that doesn't have that stupid notice tab, so I don't mind posting in this thread at all. :-D

Cheers.
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Message 1867185 - Posted: 14 May 2017, 0:51:35 UTC - in response to Message 1867162.  

"It only seems to annoy those who are anyway ? " Seriously wiggles ? Thats the very attitude responsible for Democrats losing so many seats nation wide , not to mention the Presidency. In case your not aware , Democrat seats are at a 70 year low, they have a serious image problem. Look in the mirror and you will see why.
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Message 1867190 - Posted: 14 May 2017, 1:06:27 UTC

Actually I'm neither a Democrat or a Republican (if you check my flag) and I've certainly made my point clear about your political system over there that actually encourages corruption so looking in a mirror is pointless. ;-)

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Message 1867279 - Posted: 14 May 2017, 16:27:22 UTC - in response to Message 1863881.  

AMEN.
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Message 1867291 - Posted: 14 May 2017, 18:01:46 UTC - in response to Message 1863881.  

You may have noticed that I don't post much. I am a lone researcher out in Iowa. But, I feel this is important and will continue to donate my idle computer time without regard to the politics. In my early career as an engineer, I remember using tiny bits of science to help me find solutions to problems, in factories, that were preventing production or endangering people. You never know when remembering some aspect of an obscure study can solve an issue shutting down a factory with 5000 people not getting paychecks and corporate lawyers ready to file bankruptcy if a solution isn't found immediately. So, keep plodding along for that someone in a tough spot who needs to calculate with 32 significant digits or must compensate for frog choruses. Sometimes the strange becomes a lifeline.
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Message 1867441 - Posted: 15 May 2017, 16:14:48 UTC

I agree and support Eric's comment. I have contributed to the SETI@home program since the beginning. I find today's extremism sickenning. I believe that most things are shades of grey - from very light to very dark. The black & white and this or that mentality is tearing our country apart. The groups Eric referred to are part of the problem. There are others. The SETI researchers are seeking answers to some of the great questions - Are we alone and Who else is out there. Science is all about questioning things and finding new questions. Protests by extreme groups ignore science. I hope the SETI program and supporters can stay above the issues tearing our country apart.
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