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Message 1863932 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 12:55:28 UTC - in response to Message 1863881.  

Dear Eric,
I hope this finds you well. Having been a member of the SETI community for the last 7 years I must admit this is a sad day. My friend, you lost me the moment you had to say " It is the fault of White supremacists! " Well, as a University at Buffalo science grad and an RN here in NYS all I can say is " Good Bye SETI !" I am not a "White Supremacist," that said, Berkley can kiss my ass. When you and your ilk move to a good "Community College" and stop supporting the lunatic fringe perhaps I will return. Until then, have a ball having your Black Mask freaks whom you support do all your data crunching. Phil.
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Message 1863939 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 13:28:45 UTC
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So sad that these idiot white supremacists, who aren't associated with Berkeley and the anarchists, who aren't associated with Berkeley, have picked the university grounds to incite their riot. Then all the others who are so far removed who think that both of these nutcase groups are somehow associated with Berkeley and all the damn fallout it forces upon the institution. I'd hate to see it, but the regents may have to close the UC system to outsiders because they refuse to respect common decency.
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Message 1863947 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 13:54:12 UTC - in response to Message 1863885.  
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I completely agree with you, Ozmoses
, this is my 12th post in the many years of using SETI
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Message 1863948 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 14:02:06 UTC - in response to Message 1863947.  
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It is at times such as these, that I am glad I am not on social media sites, like Facebook etcetra.........
Got this message as a notice on my BONIC account and though it had some thing to do with my thread posting recently....LOL...
Thankfully it wasn't...:-)
So happy to live in a slight bit of ignorance here.....
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Message 1863949 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 14:02:27 UTC

I think it might be timely to point out to everybody that the UCB has a long and chequered history of student protests on a number of issues apart from free speech, going as far back as the 1930's. It is just a shame that Seti is caught up in it through no fault of its own.

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Message 1863954 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 14:23:19 UTC - in response to Message 1863881.  

Bravo!!! Spot on!!
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Message 1863957 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 14:34:12 UTC - in response to Message 1863932.  
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@ PHIL:

I agree with you in that Eric's use of the phrase, "White Supremacists", was a poor choice of words, obviously alienating and insulting every white person, whether or not they advocate white supremacy, and I certainly disagree with it.

However, the numerous scientific research projects, not just S.E.T.I., which are being managed by B.O.I.N.C. are too important for us to abandon, merely because of our personal opinions and disagreements on political or social issues.

I choose to continue my participation in S.E.T.I. research, and I hope you will, too.
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Message 1863963 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 14:49:30 UTC - in response to Message 1863881.  

To all:
"Be respectful in every way of life"
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Message 1863964 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 14:49:42 UTC

Berkeley wouldn't be Berkeley without conflicts over free speech. And a pioneering project like SETI probably wouldn't exist without their tolerance of off-beat messages. So you take the good with the bad, and define each however you wish. But that is the way it is in the U.S., with Berkeley just being an extreme case.
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Message 1863974 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 16:19:08 UTC

FYI, local news is reporting that even though she canceled the speech yesterday, the idiots who want to riot have already showed up on the campus and the police are having to deal with them draining taxpayer resources.
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Message 1863976 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 16:29:40 UTC

@ ERIC KORPELA, Et Alii:

Due to the stigma attached to the University of California at Berkeley, would it be feasible for the creators and managers of S.E.T.I. and/or B.O.I.N.C. to look around for another university or similar research facility to host these various scientific projects?
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Message 1863979 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 16:34:37 UTC

All I want to do is crunch numbers and talk about servers and Aliens.

Nothing more nothing less
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Message 1863983 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 16:48:33 UTC

The Seti staff, as UCB employees, have other Uni projects to deal with at the SSL besides seti@home. So if Seti moved to another Uni the staff wouldn't go with it.
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Message 1863985 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 17:07:14 UTC - in response to Message 1863881.  
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So say we all!

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Message 1863987 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 17:10:15 UTC - in response to Message 1863932.  
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I don't believe I called anyone a white supremacist, apart from members of the "Proud Boys" who are in fact white supremacists who have indicated their intent to commit violence in Berkeley today.

Anyone who thinks I did call a larger group white supremacists should stop thinking that everyone divides the world into two categories, and that anyone on the opposite side of their own personal line is an enemy.

If you think being against violent white supremacists makes me a enemy of yours, you are free to leave. If you think being against violent left wing anarchists makes me a enemy of yours, you are free to leave. If you think my post took a position against rational conservatism or rational liberalism or against student groups being able to invite who they want, please read it again.
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Message 1863988 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 17:19:37 UTC - in response to Message 1863976.  

would it be feasible for the creators and managers of S.E.T.I. and/or B.O.I.N.C. to look around for another university or similar research facility to host these various scientific projects?


Unfortunately that isn't really possible because of funding. For example, Breakthrough Listen is implemented as a contract between the Breakthrough Foundation and UC Berkeley. Our gift funds, once they have been received, are considered state property (so we can be subject to audits/spending rules) so we would be giving them up. Any grants we have are also grants to the University, rather than grants to us as people.

While not theoretically impossible to move. A project like SETI@home would take significant time and resources to move. Should we be approached by a university that wants to provide a serious commitment to SETI@home, I'd certainly that such an offer seriously.
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Message 1863990 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 17:32:18 UTC

I totally agree with your point of view Eric.
Best wishes.
With each crime and every kindness we birth our future.
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Message 1863991 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 17:39:15 UTC - in response to Message 1863987.  

Eric, I suspect some people are far removed from knowing what is going on as it isn't being reported elsewhere. So for those who need some perspective, please read
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/04/27/berkeley-braces-day-rallies-may-turn-violent/ Note that these people want to make their protest at a park directly across the street from a public high school endangering children and the Mayor of the city and the local school principal has had to become involved.
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Message 1863995 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 18:04:18 UTC - in response to Message 1863991.  

Eric, I suspect some people are far removed from knowing what is going on as it isn't being reported elsewhere. So for those who need some perspective, please read
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/04/27/berkeley-braces-day-rallies-may-turn-violent/ Note that these people want to make their protest at a park directly across the street from a public high school endangering children and the Mayor of the city and the local school principal has had to become involved.


OK....still none the wiser...LOL....
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Message 1863997 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 18:05:02 UTC

Eric,
Just who do you refer to specifically as White Supremacists ? Do you have any names? Or is it a group of people that begins with a (C)? Conservatives perhaps? Just curious.

Now to the folks on both sides. This Project is a worthy project. I don't know Eric personally but I bet if he would allow my free speech along with a nice Frosty Mugged Heineken I would find no wrong in him. (hint ! hint !) I'm waiting Eric, I'll buy the 2nd, round. :)

The hateful back and forth needs to Stop! I have no doubts that the Project Scientist's at SETI are just as nice as the Stardust at Home team. Let's continue to help them and instead of tearing each other down lets build each other up with the good things people need to hear. It took me a while to learn that lesson, I should have listened sooner to my Grandmother, born (1893) ,rest her soul, who repeated what was said in her day. " You win more people over with Honey than you do with Vinegar"

So if we are going to paint people with a Broad Brush, let it be with the Broad Brush of Kindness, Respect, Common Courtesy. If we do we will walk away feeling better about ourselves. That's a good
feeling, free of stress knowing I built my brother up instead of tearing him down.

I have been an Astronomer all my life and I think the world of my Colleagues . I just turned 68 Sunday and I hope I can still help the SETI if I reach 98.

Dr. Ronald C. Spencer
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and the Division for Planetary Sciences of the AAS

Member of The Astronomical Society of the Pacific, The American Association of Variable Star Observers, and the Planetary Society.
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