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Message 1870123 - Posted: 29 May 2017, 15:11:49 UTC

Very Very critical of the recent protests at UCB after the campus has previously led the nation in Free Speech and thought.

It is still the duty of the administration to expose students to a wide variety of speakers to help the students to think well and act well after graduation.

Listening to ONLY those speakers that the Students agree with IS NOT FREE SPEECH.


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Message 1877821 - Posted: 11 Jul 2017, 0:45:41 UTC - in response to Message 1863881.  

Blame Misfit!

... as I've been getting lots of nastygrams both here and on twitter and facebook ...

You know those were all from me.
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Message 1886611 - Posted: 28 Aug 2017, 13:17:17 UTC

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Message 1886669 - Posted: 28 Aug 2017, 20:08:48 UTC

Maybe U of C @ BERKLEE Need Coppers Likeee These.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/28/philippines-duterte-to-cops-its-ok-to-kill-idiots-who-resist-arrest.html

Time to, At dA Least, UNMASK these LEFTIST VIOLENT HATERs

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Message 1889856 - Posted: 15 Sep 2017, 1:23:34 UTC

Eyes of Nation On UCB Tonight. Free Speech or Free Violence?

Or:

Perfect Opportunity for An ALIEN ABDUCTION. Flying Saucers are Lined Up Behind Moon to Speed to UCB to Abduct dA Black Masked, Black Shirted HATERs.

Aliens to Get Up Close and Invasive Inspection of Black Masked and Black Shirted HATERs.

Science is A Wonderful Thang.

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Message 1889888 - Posted: 15 Sep 2017, 9:14:07 UTC

Go take a sedative Dull.
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Message 1890918 - Posted: 20 Sep 2017, 13:28:02 UTC

Chris S said:

Go take a sedative Dull.


Translated: Dull Has NO FREE SPEECH RIGHTs on This Forum, unless DULL Speaks Like ME; Thinks Like ME; Do Deeds Like ME.

aka SETI Forum Supremacist

Put a Burqa on Your SETI Avatar Statue; Monument; Bust

Speak Like dA Yapper. Yap? Yap


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Message 1890956 - Posted: 20 Sep 2017, 16:22:43 UTC

"But rightful Liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add "within the law" because the law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Message 1891104 - Posted: 21 Sep 2017, 7:47:25 UTC

Everybody on this forum has a right to free speech and to state their opinions, provided of course that what they say is within the rules of posting listed on the LH side when you make a post.

Some difficulties can arise when English isn't a first language,. Dull can speak good enough English when he chooses to, but he prefers to converse in this rather silly da yap yap format which generally doesn't help his case.

My suggestion of taking a sedative was advice to calm down and think a bit more sensibly after this post that was made

Eyes of Nation On UCB Tonight. Free Speech or Free Violence?

Or:

Perfect Opportunity for An ALIEN ABDUCTION. Flying Saucers are Lined Up Behind Moon to Speed to UCB to Abduct dA Black Masked, Black Shirted HATERs.

Eric has already been at pains to point out that Student demonstrations at UCB are nothing to do with Seti@Home.

Further , the Black Shirts were members of the Italian National Fascist Party in Italy who became the MVSN and swore loyalty to Benito Mussolini. Their methods became harsher as Mussolini's power grew, and they used violence and intimidation against Mussolini's opponents. Whilst peaceful demonstrations are one thing, most people would agree that fascism has no place in a civilised society.

There is no scientific evidence for flying saucers, just unexplained phenomena.

Suggesting I put a burqa on my avatar could be seen as a crude racist comment. A Burqua is an enveloping outer garment worn by women in some Islamic traditions to cover their bodies when in public. This matter is causing some dissension in non Islamist parts of the world, regarding the wearing of it in public places.

My previous advice still stands.
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Message 1891110 - Posted: 21 Sep 2017, 8:13:03 UTC

Sirius's link makes interesting reading.

At what point do strongly held views become extremism or hate speech? There have been violent flashpoints, particularly in US universities, about what can be said about race, gender and sexuality. And when does the ultra-liberal assertion of "safe spaces" and limits on language become intolerant and controlling?

The University of California, Berkeley, was a cradle of the "free speech movement" in the United States in the 1960s, when students were protesting against the Vietnam war. It's still on the front line of debates about free speech.

Right-wing commentator Ben Shapiro spoke at Berkeley this month, drawing angry protests from opponents. The university authorities said the security operation around the event cost them $600,000 (£440,000). Another right-wing free speech event, also likely to provoke another protest, is planned for the autumn.


It is 5 decades since the Vietnam war in the 60's, has each decade at UCB been the same over time? or is this one with heightened International tensions any worse than some of the others?

Uni students are mostly in their late teens and 20's at a time when young people traditionally go through an "angry young man" phase. They've usually got it out of their system by age 30 when they settle down, get married, have a mortgage, and start a family. (not always in that order!!).

Seti@home may be hosted and sponsored by UCB, but how the Uni runs its campus is not the concern of this scientific project. The issue of free speech on it's own is better discussed over in the politics thread I think.
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Message 1891220 - Posted: 21 Sep 2017, 21:02:01 UTC - in response to Message 1891110.  

It is 5 decades since the Vietnam war in the 60's, has each decade at UCB been the same over time?
In the 60's many of the students were there because going to a university gave them a draft deferment. As such there was likely a much bigger proportion of students with some stake in the debate. Since then, there haven't been many such issues where a large proportion of the students had a direct stake in the issue, other than fee increases and a couple of those protests got a bit out of hand.

Very little of what has happened recently has been student protest. All most all of it has been professional protesters. Neither the students or the University want those professional hooligans on their campus and they don't belong there. Berkeley doesn't have a fence around it, so not much can be done. The real issue though is those who want to use public speaking as a way to foment press coverage of themselves by having a violent clash over their name.
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Message 1891521 - Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 12:04:19 UTC

Yes, I have been to the Seti lab and the campus is very much open plan. It would be completely impractical to fence it all off and post guards. But what UCB could do is to refuse permission for any more rallies or meetings on its premises where it is likely to bring the Uni into disrepute.

That is not stifling free speech, that is simply saying you have the right to say what you think, but please go away from this seat of learning to do it.

The police must know who these professional protesters are, why can't they be detained in custody for 24 hours while these meetings go on? In the UK known football hooligans are detained at UK passport control if they try to attend an EU football match on the continent.
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Message 1891526 - Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 12:57:14 UTC - in response to Message 1891521.  

First, you can not hold anyone without cause in the USA.

Second, forms of ID are considered discrimination by Californians. Show proof that you are in the USA legally!! Come one Chris....
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Message 1891528 - Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 13:42:20 UTC

In the UK a person can be detained (but not arrested) if the police genuinely believe that not to do so would cause a breach of the peace to be committed, and reasonably believe that there is no other way of preventing a breach of the peace.

The UK does not have formal ID cards.
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Message 1891536 - Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 14:26:10 UTC - in response to Message 1891528.  
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Ok they can hold you but you have to go before a judge or release within 24 hours but I suspect a lawsuit would soon follow.....

Passports would imply border security checkpoints, again an anti-Democratic (in reference to the political party not the means of government) standing....
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