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Advent42 Send message Joined: 23 Mar 17 Posts: 175 Credit: 4,015,683 RAC: 0 |
I was reading recently about there been some kind of protocol, regarding ET detection. So I was wondering....does SETI have a protocol as well? If for example one of our computers while number crunching on a parcel of data, stumbled upon a verified message/conversation from ETs....and assuming that they positively and with out question, could identify the signal. Would the host computer's owner, on whoms device the signal was found, be contacted directly? Or would it just be announced as a signal discovery by SETI? Just curious.....:-) |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
As far I know SETI is only trying to detect carrier waves that would mean it's some intelligent beings producing them. A message is still yet to find since we haven't found some carrier waves. https://www.seti.org/faq |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22447 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
SETI@Home is a screening process, to get rid of the vast amount of "dross" signals, leaving the potential signals to be further screened - this further screening has just be started by the "Nebula" project that David Anderson is running on a super computer - it is not suited to distributed computing due to the vast amounts of data that has to be searched for each signal correlation attempt. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
SETI@Home is a screening process, to get rid of the vast amount of "dross" signals, leaving the potential signals to be further screened - this further screening has just be started by the "Nebula" project that David Anderson is running on a super computer - it is not suited to distributed computing due to the vast amounts of data that has to be searched for each signal correlation attempt. Many do not realize this. But, our collective efforts for all of these years are finally being collated into a final analysis. I hope that one of my WUs gets into the mix there, as I have done millions of them. I know, it's like a poke in the henhouse............... But I would like to think that I have somehow made a difference. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
Advent42 Send message Joined: 23 Mar 17 Posts: 175 Credit: 4,015,683 RAC: 0 |
OK. So if one of our WU got into the final beauty contest.....would they still be able to ID which computer the original signal had been detected on or not? |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36353 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Some candidates that have been found so far, https://seti.berkeley.edu/lband2017/index.html. Cheers. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
Some candidates that have been found so far, https://seti.berkeley.edu/lband2017/index.html. That's a good link! Thanks, Wiggo. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22447 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Probably not - because there is a correlation exercise that looks at multiple results in the area and these will come from multiple tasks, and so multiple crunchers. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
My understanding, subject to correction, has always been that if some particular WU turns out to contain a signal, then invitations to the press conference will be issued to the users who crunched it originally (minimum two people), those who crunched it when it was rechecked (at least two more), and anyone else who may have had contact with it along the way. Then there would be those who crunch the reobservation of the same spatial coordinates. Furthermore, I believe it wouldn't be just a single WU but a group of adjacent ones, so you have the users who crunched all of them. Also keep in mind that before making a public announcement, S@H will quietly distribute their findings to various other Seti organizations around the world for further review and probably more reobservations. All of this will take years from the original observation and crunching, and will result in a LOT of people being recognized from the podium when it is finally announced. David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
Mark Stevenson Send message Joined: 8 Sep 11 Posts: 1736 Credit: 174,899,165 RAC: 91 |
Also keep in mind that before making a public announcement, S@H will quietly distribute their findings to various other Seti organizations around the world for further review and probably more reobservations. All of this will take years from the original observation and crunching, and will result in a LOT of people being recognized from the podium when it is finally announced. Your forgetting one small fact , what about the NSA , CIA and your government ( who think they know what's best for the world ) will " step in " and try to block any news of ET being released , put money on that happening no matter what ANYONE says if a signal is ever discoverd by this project ( or any other SETI project ) Life is what you make of it :-) When i'm good i'm very good , but when i'm bad i'm shi#eloads better ;-) In't I " buttercups " p.m.s.l at authoritie !!;-) |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22447 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
There is a UN protocol for the disclosure of the detection of ET. This removes the action from individual countries and moves it under the cover of the UN, it also defines the "level of proof" required, from memory this is multiple detection sources over a period of time - SETI@Home only qualifies as a single source, but odes provide a time line. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Mark Stevenson Send message Joined: 8 Sep 11 Posts: 1736 Credit: 174,899,165 RAC: 91 |
There is a UN protocol for the disclosure of the detection of ET. This removes the action from individual countries and moves it under the cover of the UN, And of course Rob the USA follow everything the UN says don'y they ;-) P.M.S.L sorry but that's SO funny , thank you for the chuckles as i read that nearly spilt me coffee Life is what you make of it :-) When i'm good i'm very good , but when i'm bad i'm shi#eloads better ;-) In't I " buttercups " p.m.s.l at authoritie !!;-) |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3797 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
Your forgetting one small fact , what about the NSA , CIA and your government ( who think they know what's best for the world ) will " step in " and try to block any news of ET being released , put money on that happening no matter what ANYONE says if a signal is ever discoverd by this project ( or any other SETI project ) I doubt that is as much a fact as a common assumption that intelligence agencies care one way or another... as long as it's not a foreign power, espionage or otherwise hostile it's out of their jurisdiction. It would certainly be difficult to suppress any findings with Breakthrough Listen as the same radio telescope data we work on is available for download and analysis by anyone. As well, there is no discovery without consensus, and this consensus would certainly come from countries other than the United States so the discovery would already be in multiple countries and continents by the time it was even determined to be a discovery. |
David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
Your forgetting one small fact , what about the NSA , CIA and your government ( who think they know what's best for the world ) will " step in " and try to block any news of ET being released , put money on that happening no matter what ANYONE says if a signal is ever discoverd by this project ( or any other SETI project ) I wasn't forgetting it. I considered it and came to the same conclusion as Mr. Kevvy: As well, there is no discovery without consensus, and this consensus would certainly come from countries other than the United States so the discovery would already be in multiple countries and continents by the time it was even determined to be a discovery. David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
Advent42 Send message Joined: 23 Mar 17 Posts: 175 Credit: 4,015,683 RAC: 0 |
Going to back to my original query......would SETI know from which computer WU the signal came from, or was first detected. I know there is a whole barrage of verification processes to go through. That goes with out mentioning....not going to make an announcement on a one signal detection...nor would it happen over night. But afterwards.....would they know who or where it was first detected and filtered from after all the dross that we are currently processing out? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Going to back to my original query......would SETI know from which computer WU the signal came from, or was first detected. I know there is a whole barrage of verification processes to go through. That goes with out mentioning....not going to make an announcement on a one signal detection...nor would it happen over night. But afterwards.....would they know who or where it was first detected and filtered from after all the dross that we are currently processing out? SETI know from which computer WU the signal came from. But a work unit only consist of 107 seconds of data. If a carrier wave would be found a lot of other users will detect the same. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22447 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
The number of users who "detect" a particular signal will depend on what the telescope was doing at the time - was it "staring at a point in space" (giving a very low angle range), sweeping across the sky (giving a normal angular range), or moving rapidly to another location (giving a very high angular range). Then there is what the receive was doing - all this adds up to a rather fascinating puzzle to solve. What we can say for sure is that for each "detecting" work units there would be at least two users, and there would be at least two work units separated by a fair time (weeks to years) to confirm the persistence of the signal. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Advent42 Send message Joined: 23 Mar 17 Posts: 175 Credit: 4,015,683 RAC: 0 |
Going to back to my original query......would SETI know from which computer WU the signal came from, or was first detected. I know there is a whole barrage of verification processes to go through. That goes with out mentioning....not going to make an announcement on a one signal detection...nor would it happen over night. But afterwards.....would they know who or where it was first detected and filtered from after all the dross that we are currently processing out? Thank you..... |
Advent42 Send message Joined: 23 Mar 17 Posts: 175 Credit: 4,015,683 RAC: 0 |
The number of users who "detect" a particular signal will depend on what the telescope was doing at the time - was it "staring at a point in space" (giving a very low angle range), sweeping across the sky (giving a normal angular range), or moving rapidly to another location (giving a very high angular range). Then there is what the receive was doing - all this adds up to a rather fascinating puzzle to solve. What we can say for sure is that for each "detecting" work units there would be at least two users, and there would be at least two work units separated by a fair time (weeks to years) to confirm the persistence of the signal. Thank you.... |
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