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Ian&Steve C. Send message Joined: 28 Sep 99 Posts: 4267 Credit: 1,282,604,591 RAC: 6,640 |
I edited my post. I never had api version in the app_info either. Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14676 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
I edited my post. I never had api version in the app_info either.And I've edited mine. It probably doesn't matter for personal use, if you always keep the build API pretty close to the version of the BOINC client you run - but worth knowing about if you build for wider distribution. |
TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768 |
If you can convince me Jason was wrong for wanting to stay around 6.x, and Petri is wrong for continuing to use 7.5, I might change it. I did try 7.11 for a while, but then decided it would be best to use what Petri is using. If you check, Jimbocous is running 7 GPUs on an older system probably not designed to run that many GPUs. On the Systems not designed for it, you hit a wall around 7-8 GPUs, especially if you are using a PCIe switch. Ask Tom M about that. If you want to run that many GPUs you need a board designed for it, either an Expensive Server board or a relatively cheap Mining board. For the price, the Mining board works for me. BTW, ASUS is Still updating their Mining board, look what the Updates have mentioned; 2019/10/21 5.64 MBytes B250 MINING EXPERT BIOS 1208 Improved system compatibility 2019/03/15 5.64 MBytes B250 MINING EXPERT BIOS 1207 Improve system security and stability 2018/07/20 5.64 MBytes B250 MINING EXPERT BIOS 1206 1.Improve system compatibility and stability 2018/06/01 5.64 MBytes B250 MINING EXPERT BIOS 1205 Intel New ME Update, Improve Stability. 2018/04/12 5.68 MBytes B250 MINING EXPERT BIOS 1010 1. Improve memory compatibility. 2018/03/23 5.68 MBytes B250 MINING EXPERT BIOS 1006 1. Update CPU Microcode 2. Improve system security and stability It keeps going, this was the second one they released; 2017/10/09 5.67 MBytes B250 MINING EXPERT BIOS 0401 Improve system stability |
Ian&Steve C. Send message Joined: 28 Sep 99 Posts: 4267 Credit: 1,282,604,591 RAC: 6,640 |
some people just have an "if it ain't broke, dont fix it" mentality. works fine for a while, until the world moves on around you and your outdated platform starts to break. Notice all the 6.x guys recently suddenly asking why they can't communicate with the project due to outdated security certificates. needing to jump through hoops just to keep it going, some not even able and being forced to upgrade. you yourself have even commented on petri's idiosyncrasies. nothing wrong with it, and petri is more than capable of handing any issues that might come up. I fall into this sometimes since my systems are so stable, i usually don't do any unnecessary updates, which keeps me from having a lot of the issues like systems breaking from a driver update or something similar. but I do it within reason, and update after the seas are calm. same reason i've avoided the Ubuntu short term releases, but I will move to 20.04 LTS when it's proven stable. my 7x 2070 system on the z270 platform is very similar to your 14-gpu B250 mining system in the way they work and components used. total system cost is likely within a few hundred dollars. doing more work with half as many cards, less power draw, and less headaches. I'll take that any day. I may update that system soon since I just replaced my z370 based test bench with my backup board for the watercooled system. I could take the z370 board, drop in a relatively cheap 12-thread CPU, and add another GPU or 2 to the system. still undecided. Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14676 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
I think Jason was hoping to persuade BOINC to leave runtime estimation as a client function, through submitting code (which I tested for a while in a working client) to maintain separate DCF values for each application version. I would agree with him, because the current runtime estimation server-side code suffers badly from boundary-condition errors (new installations and new application versions) and from slow response times. But that was 10 years ago, and the world has moved on - we are stuck, for better or worse, with CreditNew and the associated runtime estimation model. I would suggest that it's better to stay in touch with the newer BOINC developments: after all, the SETI (science) applications have no productive purpose outside the BOINC framework, and in my view it's better to work with BOINC than to keep re-running ten-year-old battles against it. |
Ian&Steve C. Send message Joined: 28 Sep 99 Posts: 4267 Credit: 1,282,604,591 RAC: 6,640 |
I think Jason was hoping to persuade BOINC to leave runtime estimation as a client function, through submitting code (which I tested for a while in a working client) to maintain separate DCF values for each application version. I would agree with him, because the current runtime estimation server-side code suffers badly from boundary-condition errors (new installations and new application versions) and from slow response times. 100% agree Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours |
Phud Redux Send message Joined: 20 Apr 16 Posts: 270 Credit: 2,976,272 RAC: 1 |
Could one of you fine gentlemen please post the links to Linux apps? Please and many thanks! |
Stephen "Heretic" Send message Joined: 20 Sep 12 Posts: 5557 Credit: 192,787,363 RAC: 628 |
. . HEY GUYS!!! . . This discussion has changed this thread to a Developer's forum which was never its intention. Some poor Linux newbie who wanders into this will be "WTF!" It was meant to provided user level support so people could migrate to a more productive platform ... So please remember the KISS principle ... Stephen < shrug > |
Ian&Steve C. Send message Joined: 28 Sep 99 Posts: 4267 Credit: 1,282,604,591 RAC: 6,640 |
Could one of you fine gentlemen please post the links to First I would recommend that you upgrade to the 440.xx drivers, so that you can use the CUDA 10.2 builds. it'll be a benefit for your Pascal and Turing based cards. after that, you can get Tbar's V0.98 builds here: http://www.arkayn.us/lunatics/BOINC.7z this is a whole "All-in-One" BOINC package, you do not need the repository install, and should remove it before using this. if you want to try out using a newer V0.99 mutex enabled build (pre-loading a second WU, eliminates downtime between WUs) you can use my build here: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=84933 but I would recommend waiting a few hours. I just made several new builds that should be faster and give people more flexibility on supported hardware, running them through my test suite now. I would download Tbar's package there first and get up and running with it. then after I gather my test results you can decide if you want to modify it with a different app. Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours |
Phud Redux Send message Joined: 20 Apr 16 Posts: 270 Credit: 2,976,272 RAC: 1 |
Thanks. |
TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768 |
Ha, found another one, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=3886727662 Device 1: GeForce GTX 750 Ti is okay SETI@home using CUDA accelerated device GeForce GTX 750 Ti Unroll autotune 1. Overriding Pulse find periods per launch. Parameter -pfp set to 1 setiathome v8 enhanced x41p_V0.98b1, Cuda 9.00 special Modifications done by petri33, compiled by TBar Detected setiathome_enhanced_v8 task. Autocorrelations enabled, size 128k elements. Work Unit Info: ............... WU true angle range is : 0.011773 Sigma 62 Sigma > GaussTOffsetStop: 62 > 2 Thread call stack limit is: 1k Pulse: peak=10.53272, time=45.86, period=30.11, d_freq=7696464951.88, score=1.057, chirp=-2.8368, fft_len=1024 setiathome_CUDA: Found 1 CUDA device(s): Device 1: GeForce GTX 750 Ti, 1999 MiB, regsPerBlock 65536 computeCap 5.0, multiProcs 5 pciBusID = 1, pciSlotID = 0 In cudaAcc_initializeDevice(): Boinc passed DevPref 1 setiathome_CUDA: CUDA Device 1 specified, checking... Device 1: GeForce GTX 750 Ti is okay SETI@home using CUDA accelerated device GeForce GTX 750 Ti Unroll autotune 1. Overriding Pulse find periods per launch. Parameter -pfp set to 1 setiathome v8 enhanced x41p_V0.98b1, Cuda 9.00 special Modifications done by petri33, compiled by TBar Detected setiathome_enhanced_v8 task. Autocorrelations enabled, size 128k elements. Work Unit Info: ............... WU true angle range is : 0.011773 Sigma 62 Sigma > GaussTOffsetStop: 62 > 2 Thread call stack limit is: 1k Triplet: peak=11.00201, time=29.44, period=28.58, d_freq=7696462309.32, chirp=14.391, fft_len=256 Spike: peak=24.16754, time=42.95, d_freq=7696464873.91, chirp=18.156, fft_len=64k Triplet: peak=11.72892, time=59.15, period=6.845, d_freq=7696464753.79, chirp=70.223, fft_len=1024 Triplet: peak=10.59451, time=55.71, period=16.65, d_freq=7696462779.31, chirp=-96.307, fft_len=128 Best spike: peak=24.16754, time=42.95, d_freq=7696464873.91, chirp=18.156, fft_len=64k Best autocorr: peak=17.2569, time=74.45, delay=3.2613, d_freq=7696461019.14, chirp=3.9728, fft_len=128k Best gaussian: peak=0, mean=0, ChiSq=0, time=-2.124e+11, d_freq=0, score=-12, null_hyp=0, chirp=0, fft_len=0 Best pulse: peak=0, time=-2.124e+11, period=0, d_freq=0, score=0, chirp=0, fft_len=0 Best triplet: peak=11.72892, time=59.15, period=6.845, d_freq=7696464753.79, chirp=70.223, fft_len=1024 Spike count: 1 Autocorr count: 0 Pulse count: 0 Triplet count: 3 Gaussian count: 0The correct result; Best pulse: peak=2.095706, time=45.86, period=3.081, d_freq=7696462738.7, score=1.068, chirp=-50.368, fft_len=1024 Spike count: 1 Autocorr count: 0 Pulse count: 19 Triplet count: 3 Gaussian count: 0It found a pulse before the reboot, then Missed them All afterwards. Same as on a Mac. |
Ian&Steve C. Send message Joined: 28 Sep 99 Posts: 4267 Credit: 1,282,604,591 RAC: 6,640 |
let me know when you find one using an app that I compiled. would be interesting to see if it happens on mine too. so far they've all been on yours if i'm not mistaken. but then again, theres a lot more people running yours so i understand the statistics surrounding that. Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours |
Jimbocous Send message Joined: 1 Apr 13 Posts: 1856 Credit: 268,616,081 RAC: 1,349 |
If you check, Jimbocous is running 7 GPUs on an older system probably not designed to run that many GPUs. On the Systems not designed for it, you hit a wall around 7-8 GPUs, especially if you are using a PCIe switch.The system I am discussing has 5 GPUs. Paradoxically, the one with 7 GPUs doesn't seem to have these issues. And the wall on those HP mobos is definitely 7 GPUs. |
Jimbocous Send message Joined: 1 Apr 13 Posts: 1856 Credit: 268,616,081 RAC: 1,349 |
That's a nasty one, but - I think - different.Point being that it seems that this is where the driver gets crashed, not just the client. @Juan, had another one this morning, but sorry, wasn't awake enough to get the slots info you asked for ... I'll keep trying. |
TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768 |
Hmmm, OK, it does seem to be an older one now that I look at it. But it does say 7, with the same error;If you check, Jimbocous is running 7 GPUs on an older system probably not designed to run that many GPUs. On the Systems not designed for it, you hit a wall around 7-8 GPUs, especially if you are using a PCIe switch.The system I am discussing has 5 GPUs. Paradoxically, the one with 7 GPUs doesn't seem to have these issues. And the wall on those HP mobos is definitely 7 GPUs. https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=8485188776 <message> |
Jimbocous Send message Joined: 1 Apr 13 Posts: 1856 Credit: 268,616,081 RAC: 1,349 |
Hmmm, OK, it does seem to be an older one now that I look at it. But it does say 7, with the same errorWould seem to argue against any mobo GPU count hard limit as being the issue ... |
TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768 |
On the other one with 5 GPUs, it seems you are getting Overflows while your Wingmen aren't, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=8859436&state=6 |
Jimbocous Send message Joined: 1 Apr 13 Posts: 1856 Credit: 268,616,081 RAC: 1,349 |
On the other one with 5 GPUs, it seems you are getting Overflows while your Wingmen aren't, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=8859436&state=6 If you've been following my discussion of this, you'll note that the overflows are all subsequent to the initial failure, as a result of the NV driver no longer knowing the card exists. |
TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768 |
Have you tried it with a different driver? I see 390 is in the repository, and that will work with cuda 9.0. I remember running 396 for quite a while if that driver is possible for you. |
TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768 |
let me know when you find one using an app that I compiled. would be interesting to see if it happens on mine too. so far they've all been on yours if i'm not mistaken. but then again, theres a lot more people running yours so i understand the statistics surrounding that.First time it ran; https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=3881506537 Device 1: GeForce GTX 960 is okay SETI@home using CUDA accelerated device GeForce GTX 960 Unroll autotune 1. Overriding Pulse find periods per launch. Parameter -pfp set to 1 ------------------------------------------------------------- SETI@home v8 enhanced x41p_V0.99b1p3, CUDA 10.2 special (MPT) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Modifications done by petri33, Mutex by Oddbjornik. Compiled by Ian (^_^) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Detected setiathome_enhanced_v8 task. Autocorrelations enabled, size 128k elements. Work Unit Info: ............... WU true angle range is : 0.009216 Sigma 147 Sigma > GaussTOffsetStop: 147 > -83 Thread call stack limit is: 1k Acquired CUDA mutex at 02:45:44,944 Triplet: peak=10.95254, time=45.38, period=17.25, d_freq=1419703159.85, chirp=2.5334, fft_len=512 Triplet: peak=14.3314, time=91.87, period=11.38, d_freq=1419710779.64, chirp=11.735, fft_len=128 Autocorr: peak=18.13648, time=6.711, delay=4.2569, d_freq=1419707130.68, chirp=14.817, fft_len=128k Autocorr: peak=18.02195, time=6.711, delay=4.2569, d_freq=1419707130.69, chirp=14.818, fft_len=128k Spike: peak=24.35987, time=46.98, d_freq=1419704560.3, chirp=-21.401, fft_len=128k Spike: peak=25.25349, time=46.98, d_freq=1419704560.3, chirp=-21.406, fft_len=128k Triplet: peak=10.21009, time=27.47, period=23.44, d_freq=1419710295.47, chirp=-36.005, fft_len=1024 Triplet: peak=12.34042, time=43.65, period=3.971, d_freq=1419706713.34, chirp=85.346, fft_len=128 Triplet: peak=11.25078, time=43.65, period=3.971, d_freq=1419706706.88, chirp=86.946, fft_len=128 Normal release of CUDA mutex after 132.333 seconds at 02:47:57,277 Best spike: peak=25.25349, time=46.98, d_freq=1419704560.3, chirp=-21.406, fft_len=128k Best autocorr: peak=18.13648, time=6.711, delay=4.2569, d_freq=1419707130.68, chirp=14.817, fft_len=128k Best gaussian: peak=0, mean=0, ChiSq=0, time=-2.121e+11, d_freq=0, score=-12, null_hyp=0, chirp=0, fft_len=0 Best pulse: peak=0, time=-2.121e+11, period=0, d_freq=0, score=0, chirp=0, fft_len=0 Best triplet: peak=14.3314, time=91.87, period=11.38, d_freq=1419710779.64, chirp=11.735, fft_len=128 Spike count: 2 Autocorr count: 2 Pulse count: 0 Triplet count: 5 Gaussian count: 0The correct result is; Best pulse: peak=3.513659, time=53.74, period=8.651, d_freq=1419708981.7, score=1.077, chirp=13.402, fft_len=1024 Spike count: 2 Autocorr count: 2 Pulse count: 9 Triplet count: 5 Gaussian count: 0This will probably be Invalid. The machine is using a new BioStar Mining board with an eBayed i5. It's the same machine I ran the Development version of 20.04 on a few days ago. The MP version failed in the Benchmark App, it ran through in seconds without finding any signals, so, I didn't try it in BOINC. |
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