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Message 1899435 - Posted: 6 Nov 2017, 0:23:09 UTC

I understand that. But you could just choose the 3200 or 3466 Mhz XMP profile for the memory and achieve the same throughput. And the danger of a high BCLK is that it also boosts the PCIe bus to the point that some PCIe cards and controllers flake out. I don't know if the PCIe bus for your motherboard can be locked to a bus speed independent of the BLCK generator. As I stated previously, I am a real newbie when it comes to Intel hardware. Thanks for the update.
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Message 1899461 - Posted: 6 Nov 2017, 3:59:21 UTC

Well......
About all I can tell ya is this.
After getting a new mobo after 8 years, I know less about this bios and chipset than most folks.
I likened the BCLK setting to the FSB (front side buss) setting that I did most of my OCing with on the old Intel chipsets.
So that is what I started playing with first.
This architecture is much more complex with some bits and pieces seemingly running on their own clocks independent of what I am doing with the CPU.
I have much to learn about it yet, but by trial and error I am learning some of what works and what simply crashes hard.
Many more adventures to come, I am sure.

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Message 1899472 - Posted: 6 Nov 2017, 5:48:43 UTC - in response to Message 1899461.  

But that is what is so fun with playing with new hardware. So many adventures!
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Message 1899475 - Posted: 6 Nov 2017, 6:13:05 UTC

Yeeeees spose so! :-) Still remember the days of the frozen Penny, now THAT was tinkering to the nth degree :-))
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Message 1899532 - Posted: 6 Nov 2017, 14:33:00 UTC - in response to Message 1899475.  

Yeeeees spose so! :-) Still remember the days of the frozen Penny, now THAT was tinkering to the nth degree :-))

Indeed it was.
And I still have the chiller unit in the basement.
I'd love to crank it up and have a go with it again. But, I proved by going through a couple of CPUs due to condensation related corrosion that it was not viable for 24/7 running long term. I think I could get about 6 months or so at a time. Even with all my moisture control efforts by packing the CPU socket and the mobo front and back with liberal amounts of clear silicone grease, those little water molecules were bound and determined to get to that -30c cooled CPU. And they eventually did.
If and when I ever have the disposable income to do so, I would like to try it once more.
After installing the CPU and testing it, I would spray the mobo front and back around the CPU socket with some kind of coating that would seal it off more completely than the silicone grease did. I would mask the top of the CPU to keep it clear for installation of the chiller puck with heatsink compound. Of course, it would be a one-shot attempt, as you would never be able to get the CPU out of the socket again.
Maybe some day...................................

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Message 1899547 - Posted: 6 Nov 2017, 16:40:30 UTC - in response to Message 1899532.  

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Message 1899555 - Posted: 6 Nov 2017, 17:13:35 UTC - in response to Message 1899547.  

Yeah, something like that. There are various types of conformal coatings made specifically for use on circuit boards. Some are mil-spec if I recall.
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Message 1900029 - Posted: 9 Nov 2017, 16:05:34 UTC
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Hmmmm.
Now this is interesting. I have never heard of this before. But apparently it's been available since 2012.

Intel actually has a special warranty plan for overclockers. It is in addition to the standard 3 year warranty, and will replace a CPU one time that has been incapacitated due to overclocking.
The kitties said I should consider it.............
Might allow me to push a little harder than I would otherwise.
Intel's Performance Tuning Protection Plan.

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Message 1900039 - Posted: 9 Nov 2017, 16:43:38 UTC - in response to Message 1900029.  

Interesting indeed... but, are they able to determine if a CPU has been overclocked or not, should a failed one be returned for replacement? CPUs seem pretty resilient these days and in my experience it's the motherboard that suffers due to prolonged overclocks.

Incidentally, I've just bought a few new GPUs of the 1060 variety from Zotac; they have an extended warranty up to 5 years which swayed my decision, but I believe overclocking voids this warranty. This is a slight shame since a gentle overclock is unlikely to do much harm whereas poor airflow at standard speeds could certainly shorten the life. With GPUs I'm guessing that clock/memory speeds et al could be logged on the board and thus read by the manufacturer to get an idea how the component was set/performing prior to it failing.
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Message 1900042 - Posted: 9 Nov 2017, 16:51:56 UTC - in response to Message 1900039.  

Interesting indeed... but, are they able to determine if a CPU has been overclocked or not, should a failed one be returned for replacement? CPUs seem pretty resilient these days and in my experience it's the motherboard that suffers due to prolonged overclocks.

Well, that's generally been my experience as well.
But this CPU is down to 14nm architecture, and might not be as forgiving as the older ones that I have pushed hard.
It does not matter if Intel can determine anything. Buying the insurance package basically tells them that you ARE intending to overclock the CPU. That is exactly the point of it.
The problem would be if you try to claim the standard warranty which only covers operation at Intel's published specifications for the chip.
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Message 1900052 - Posted: 9 Nov 2017, 18:21:07 UTC

I don't know if that would be money well spent. All current CPU designs by AMD and Intel have built-in self protections features. If they detect a harmful condition, they either downclock themselves or shut off entirely. The type of damage that a typical overclock causes is not the end all frequency achieved but by the amount of voltage applied over long times that causes electron depletion's in the substrates. What that typically causes is not total failure but the inability to hit the higher clocks at the same voltages that were achieved in the first year of life. What you need to do is to just back off the voltage at a lower clock than you had initially.
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Message 1900053 - Posted: 9 Nov 2017, 18:26:46 UTC - in response to Message 1900052.  
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Well, all forms of insurance are a type of gamble, now aren't they?
Planning on running the chippy for a long time at a high OC.
And I am figuring the 14nm architecture into that.
Smaller and smaller barriers for those little electrons to jump across and wreak havoc.

And I have a reputation of getting those little electrons a bit more excited than usual.................................
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Message 1900054 - Posted: 9 Nov 2017, 18:31:11 UTC

Well I just looked at the linked page finally. For $35 I say heck yeah, that would be a good investment if the chip degrades. I was thinking the cost was a lot higher.
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Message 1900055 - Posted: 9 Nov 2017, 18:32:43 UTC - in response to Message 1900054.  

Well I just looked at the linked page finally. For $35 I say heck yeah, that would be a good investment if the chip degrades. I was thinking the cost was a lot higher.

That's why I thought it was a reasonable deal for me.
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Message 1900057 - Posted: 9 Nov 2017, 19:00:22 UTC

With most high-end Intel cpu's going for sale in the +$300 range, the insurance cost is 1/10 the replacement cost. So I can see the cost/benefit ratio being appealing.
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Message 1900169 - Posted: 10 Nov 2017, 7:26:31 UTC - in response to Message 1900029.  
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No such thing as a free lunch Mark :-( It only covers the top end processors.

E.g. my i7 2600 won't be covered, nor my i5 2320. Not that I overclock them anyway.

What processors does the Plan cover?

The list of boxed processors covered in the plan are on the Purchase a Plan page. Only the boxed processors listed there are eligible for the plan.

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Message 1900195 - Posted: 10 Nov 2017, 8:46:41 UTC - in response to Message 1900169.  

Yes, it does not cover all processors.
But it covers what I am running.

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Message 1900204 - Posted: 10 Nov 2017, 9:37:47 UTC

Just didn't want too many people to get too excited!
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Message 1901926 - Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 20:30:48 UTC

The SF Opera is doing Turandot currently and I was lucky enough to be able to attend last night's performance with a neighbor.

Mark, I know you are an opera fan and I totally get why. I go to about one opera a year, budget permitting. Sometimes I drag Eric along. Sometimes, like last night, I just go with a friend. (Eric was having an equally enjoyable evening of video games, football and beer.)

I find that if I spend much time thinking about whether or not an opera plot is believable, it will make me absolutely crazy.

If I spend much time trying to judge an opera in terms of politically correct parameters (especially this particular war horse of an opera!!!) it will also make me crazy.

But if I just sit back in my seat and let the pageantry do its intended job of washing over and around the audience, then a little opera, taken in moderation, makes for one heck of a theatrical experience.
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Message 1901995 - Posted: 20 Nov 2017, 4:49:28 UTC - in response to Message 1901926.  

Most operas have a very loose plot behind it all. It's just a container for the songs that have been written. Formal Italian stuff leaves me cold, but the Gilbert & Sullivan light opera ones are quite entertaining.

But of course it ain't over until the fat lady sings!!
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