Alternative Reality Health Care a/k/a tRump Care

Message boards : Politics : Alternative Reality Health Care a/k/a tRump Care
Message board moderation

To post messages, you must log in.

1 · 2 · 3 · 4 . . . 8 · Next

AuthorMessage
Profile Gary Charpentier Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 30639
Credit: 53,134,872
RAC: 32
United States
Message 1853988 - Posted: 9 Mar 2017, 4:40:59 UTC

Do you want someone who believes an alternate reality designing your medical plan?

Will you doctor have to believe in an alternative reality to treat you?

Is prayer going to be the only medicine that can be prescribed so they can keep costs down?
ID: 1853988 · Report as offensive
Darth Beaver Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 20 Aug 99
Posts: 6728
Credit: 21,443,075
RAC: 3
Australia
Message 1853993 - Posted: 9 Mar 2017, 4:59:12 UTC - in response to Message 1853988.  

All I can say is don't get sick if you think it's bad now just wait it will get better the demigod has said so, Maybe it's time some of you emigrate down under at least your old age health care will be better down under :)than what your going to get from Trumpy and the republicans . Good luck and don't get sick
ID: 1853993 · Report as offensive
Profile Ex: "Socialist"
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 12 Mar 12
Posts: 3433
Credit: 2,616,158
RAC: 2
United States
Message 1854256 - Posted: 10 Mar 2017, 4:50:23 UTC
Last modified: 10 Mar 2017, 4:51:08 UTC

The Winners And Losers In The Republican Health Care Plan

"A typical 21-year-old, for example, might be able to find coverage for around $2,600 dollars a year, most of which could be paid for with a $2,000 tax credit from the government. But a 64-year-old trying to buy insurance might have to pay five times as much, and the maximum tax credit in the GOP plan of $4,000 would cover less than a third of that."...

"So safety-net hospitals and their patients could be losers. Big winners include the wealthy. Obamacare is funded in part with extra taxes on people making more than $200,000 a year. Roberton Williams of the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center says scrapping those taxes would put tens of billions of dollars back in the pockets of the wealthy."
#resist
ID: 1854256 · Report as offensive
Profile Gary Charpentier Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 30639
Credit: 53,134,872
RAC: 32
United States
Message 1854636 - Posted: 11 Mar 2017, 4:48:39 UTC

We are being told the CBO report, not yet written, is going to be Fake News.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/3/10/1642270/-Republicans-hand-picked-CBO-chief-is-likely-to-trash-Trumpcare
Republicans have very good reason to fear what the Congressional Budget Office is probably going to say about Trumpcare:
...
Hence the determined effort by Republicans to discredit the CBO's eventual report before it hits the ground, which should be sometime next week.

Real Truthful News wrote:
every analysis by independent health and economic think tanks has shown it's going to take insurance away from millions and cost the treasury bigly.

ID: 1854636 · Report as offensive
Profile Smoke me a kipper
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 28 Apr 01
Posts: 122
Credit: 270,914
RAC: 0
United Kingdom
Message 1854732 - Posted: 11 Mar 2017, 11:30:25 UTC - in response to Message 1854636.  

We are being told the CBO report, not yet written, is going to be Fake News.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/3/10/1642270/-Republicans-hand-picked-CBO-chief-is-likely-to-trash-Trumpcare
Republicans have very good reason to fear what the Congressional Budget Office is probably going to say about Trumpcare:
...
Hence the determined effort by Republicans to discredit the CBO's eventual report before it hits the ground, which should be sometime next week.

Real Truthful News wrote:
every analysis by independent health and economic think tanks has shown it's going to take insurance away from millions and cost the treasury bigly.

:-( Genuinely sorry

My placement with Doctors Without Borders has just been confirmed. :-) I'd put in a word for you all but it would be contingent on your military not bombing our hospitals. Our military not pointing them out as targets to their "customers" would be good also. Just saying ;-)
ID: 1854732 · Report as offensive
kittyman Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 9 Jul 00
Posts: 51468
Credit: 1,018,363,574
RAC: 1,004
United States
Message 1854734 - Posted: 11 Mar 2017, 11:35:22 UTC

My health plan is just to outlive you rumps.
"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

ID: 1854734 · Report as offensive
Profile Gary Charpentier Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 30639
Credit: 53,134,872
RAC: 32
United States
Message 1854770 - Posted: 11 Mar 2017, 15:58:04 UTC - in response to Message 1854737.  

Trump's in the the white house, a bunch of lilly-livered, yellow-bellow republicans own congress, and the SCOTUS will be a 5/4 conservative court. Get over it.
If that was true, why do you respond at all? FEAR.
ID: 1854770 · Report as offensive
Profile betreger Project Donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Jun 99
Posts: 11361
Credit: 29,581,041
RAC: 66
United States
Message 1854853 - Posted: 11 Mar 2017, 21:24:49 UTC - in response to Message 1854848.  

Obama Care or Ryan Care, is the best we can do?

Probably, the oligarchs won't allow a single payer system, their profits would suffer.
ID: 1854853 · Report as offensive
Profile Ex: "Socialist"
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 12 Mar 12
Posts: 3433
Credit: 2,616,158
RAC: 2
United States
Message 1854881 - Posted: 11 Mar 2017, 23:09:58 UTC - in response to Message 1854869.  
Last modified: 11 Mar 2017, 23:10:50 UTC

Here's a plan:

Get the government completely out of the health care business.

Let the health care providers COMPETE.

Let the health care providers, drug manufacturers and insurance companies *advertise* their prices. Let people buy across state lines!

Let people decide for themselves what they want, when they want it and how much they're willing to pay for it.

No government intervention until something happens in the market which makes competition unfair, such as the beginnings of the formation of a monopoly.

Then there'll be DOWNWARD pressure on health care costs. Medicare/Medicaid will either be able to provide more or become cheaper for the tax payer!

(wow! I must be an expert!)

Yep, let's remove all regulations. Eventually 3 corporations will run the whole show from pharm. production, to insurance policy, to hospital administration, and then they can work together to charge whatever they want. That will be a wonderful system indeed.
#resist
ID: 1854881 · Report as offensive
Profile Gary Charpentier Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 30639
Credit: 53,134,872
RAC: 32
United States
Message 1854885 - Posted: 11 Mar 2017, 23:14:18 UTC - in response to Message 1854881.  

Yep, let's remove all regulations. Eventually 3 corporations will run the whole show from pharm. production, to insurance policy, to hospital administration, and then they can work together to charge whatever they want. That will be a wonderful system indeed.
Don't they already? Check those 10-K's and see who the insiders are!
ID: 1854885 · Report as offensive
Profile betreger Project Donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Jun 99
Posts: 11361
Credit: 29,581,041
RAC: 66
United States
Message 1854887 - Posted: 11 Mar 2017, 23:20:21 UTC - in response to Message 1854885.  

Don't they already? Check those 10-K's and see who the insiders are!

Exactly the point I made about the oligarchs not allowing change.
ID: 1854887 · Report as offensive
Profile Ex: "Socialist"
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 12 Mar 12
Posts: 3433
Credit: 2,616,158
RAC: 2
United States
Message 1854901 - Posted: 12 Mar 2017, 0:10:36 UTC - in response to Message 1854894.  
Last modified: 12 Mar 2017, 0:12:58 UTC

Who are the insiders and give me a list of specific regulations you hold dear to your heart.

edit: and read line 6 of my last post.

I like antitrust laws (as mentioned in line 6)...

Unfortunately I don't believe they've been upheld in the spirit in which those laws were intended- i.e. many of the large ugly mergers I've seen in the last 2 decades ranging from consumer products companies to media corporations. Indeed I am sickened by the amount of corporate consolidation that happens in this country. So I have no reason to believe such laws would be upheld in some sort of Ayn Rand-ish society, *especially* when it comes to health care.

There should be no room for profit motive when peoples health and lives are at risk.
#resist
ID: 1854901 · Report as offensive
Profile betreger Project Donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Jun 99
Posts: 11361
Credit: 29,581,041
RAC: 66
United States
Message 1854922 - Posted: 12 Mar 2017, 0:59:54 UTC - in response to Message 1854869.  

Here's a plan:

Get the government completely out of the health care business.

Let the health care providers COMPETE.

Let the health care providers, drug manufacturers and insurance companies *advertise* their prices. Let people buy across state lines!

Let people decide for themselves what they want, when they want it and how much they're willing to pay for it.

No government intervention until something happens in the market which makes competition unfair, such as the beginnings of the formation of a monopoly.

Then there'll be DOWNWARD pressure on health care costs. Medicare/Medicaid will either be able to provide more or become cheaper for the tax payer!

(wow! I must be an expert!)

Guy there are too many oligopolies in the market for free market competition to exist.
Many of the drugs are monopolies.
People won't choose an out of state insurance company when the local medical market is not in their network.
ID: 1854922 · Report as offensive
OzzFan Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 9 Apr 02
Posts: 15691
Credit: 84,761,841
RAC: 28
United States
Message 1854934 - Posted: 12 Mar 2017, 1:22:24 UTC - in response to Message 1854869.  

No government intervention until something happens in the market which makes competition unfair, such as the beginnings of the formation of a monopoly.


This has already happened in the Internet Service Provider market and yet you're against Net Neutrality. Based upon this, I see no reason why the healthcare market won't become the same and you will still be against any regulation.
ID: 1854934 · Report as offensive
W-K 666 Project Donor
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 18 May 99
Posts: 19048
Credit: 40,757,560
RAC: 67
United Kingdom
Message 1854941 - Posted: 12 Mar 2017, 1:34:05 UTC - in response to Message 1854869.  

drug manufacturers

You do realise that in this corner of the health care market, many of the drugs are patented. The companies defend those patents more rigorously than just about anything else. If a patent is near the end of life they will do anything to "improve" the drug and apply for a new patent.
They can charge in an open market anything they want for these drugs, remember last year, Forbes - Why Did Mylan Hike EpiPen Prices 400%? Because They Could
ID: 1854941 · Report as offensive
Profile Gary Charpentier Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 30639
Credit: 53,134,872
RAC: 32
United States
Message 1854953 - Posted: 12 Mar 2017, 2:12:50 UTC - in response to Message 1854941.  

drug manufacturers

You do realise that in this corner of the health care market, many of the drugs are patented. The companies defend those patents more rigorously than just about anything else. If a patent is near the end of life they will do anything to "improve" the drug and apply for a new patent.
They can charge in an open market anything they want for these drugs, remember last year, Forbes - Why Did Mylan Hike EpiPen Prices 400%? Because They Could
That is the free market in action. Stimulate demand by brand name exclusivity. For a billionaire like Guy, the cost of an epipen isn't even pocket change. I mean if a drug saves a life, it ought to cost a lifetime of earnings! Right! So price a dose at a few million! Do the same with cancer drugs. Make those profits and find a way to call them capital gains on the property of the patent so you don't pay any tax on it! Be a real rentier!
ID: 1854953 · Report as offensive
1 · 2 · 3 · 4 . . . 8 · Next

Message boards : Politics : Alternative Reality Health Care a/k/a tRump Care


 
©2024 University of California
 
SETI@home and Astropulse are funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, NASA, and donations from SETI@home volunteers. AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956.