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Message 1860308 - Posted: 8 Apr 2017, 11:16:16 UTC - in response to Message 1860251.  

I am glad to ear you finaly got the bracket and it gives me hope for mine being ship next week. but I have to say that I am surprise it worked right away...
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Message 1860385 - Posted: 8 Apr 2017, 17:35:36 UTC

Went to the store to get mew RAM. Installed it and it went into a booting loop non stop and could not access bios. I had to put the old stick back in and it reboot fine.
Went back to the store there was a difference in the part number not exactly as in the asrock list of compatible RAM. He gave me the right one came back home installed it and again the same thing. reboot non stop and impossible to access the bios. Bof no problem I will put the old sticks back in but only this time it does the same thing and reboot non stop. I am stock with a brand new Ryzen PC that does not work anymore because of RAM upgrade. Really dont know what to do next to fix this. Help !
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Message 1860386 - Posted: 8 Apr 2017, 17:39:34 UTC - in response to Message 1860306.  

If you need to use 4 sticks or 32GB or greater memory, I would wait until May for the AGESA update. Four sticks or 32GB in 2 X 16GB memory configuration is not able to go faster than 2400 right now. If you are able to use 16 GB, then 2 X 8GB configuration is the most compatible right now. Best configuration is single sided sticks of CL14 CAS latency in memory of 3200 XMP profile. Or memory greater than 3200 XMP profile of any CAS latency since both conditions just about guarantee 100% probability of getting Samsung B-die RAM built sticks. The Samsung B-die RAM part numbers are K4A8G045WB and K4A8G085WB. Problem is almost no memory manufacturers identify using Samsung B-dies in their product descriptions of their RAM kits. You have to purchase the suspected memory and then run them against various utilities that can decode their components to see if they are made with B-dies. At this time you have to scour the forum threads for user reports of success in finding which DDR4 RAM kits are made with Samsung B-dies. For example:
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Message 1860387 - Posted: 8 Apr 2017, 17:41:16 UTC - in response to Message 1860308.  

I am glad to ear you finaly got the bracket and it gives me hope for mine being ship next week. but I have to say that I am surprise it worked right away...

Corsair is very behind the ball in getting out timely reports of shipping status. Lots of reports of people reporting receiving their kits with no update on their order shipping status.
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Message 1860390 - Posted: 8 Apr 2017, 17:45:40 UTC - in response to Message 1860385.  

Went to the store to get mew RAM. Installed it and it went into a booting loop non stop and could not access bios. I had to put the old stick back in and it reboot fine.
Went back to the store there was a difference in the part number not exactly as in the asrock list of compatible RAM. He gave me the right one came back home installed it and again the same thing. reboot non stop and impossible to access the bios. Bof no problem I will put the old sticks back in but only this time it does the same thing and reboot non stop. I am stock with a brand new Ryzen PC that does not work anymore because of RAM upgrade. Really dont know what to do next to fix this. Help !

Reset or clear the BIOS. Put in one stick of your old known good working RAM in A2 slot. Should boot up fine in default 2133 mode. Then put in your other stick in B2 and reboot again. Make sure you have fully inserted the memory into the motherboard slots. The memory retraining is the Achilles heel of Ryzen right now with the BIOS.
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Message 1860401 - Posted: 8 Apr 2017, 18:38:56 UTC - in response to Message 1860390.  

That is what I did and all is ok now. Thank you sir.
The way out of this situation (one stick at a time) makes me realize that my RAM upgrade might have worked if I had installed the new stick one at a time and not both at the same time like I did. The new RAM part number is listed on asrock web site. It should have worked. I am doing something wrong maybe... but I need a brake.
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Message 1860410 - Posted: 8 Apr 2017, 19:45:22 UTC

I have just read through the past couple of days (440 messages) on the ROG Crosshair thread. It looks like they have received 3 new Beta BIOS' with some preliminary AGESA code updates. Improved the memory issue considerably and gave some more options in the BIOS to configure stuff. Four sticks and 32 GB working at spec for a lot of people now. Estimates that 50% more memory configurations are approved. There is also a fix for the stuck 1.55v VID caused by the SMU F/W bug. So let us hope that similar improvements make it to the Prime X370 BIOS and your Asrock Killer X370. My last 0515 BIOS update was about a week after than the equivalent update for the Crosshair. Hope the trend continues.
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Message 1860430 - Posted: 8 Apr 2017, 22:57:23 UTC - in response to Message 1860385.  
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Went to the store to get mew RAM. Installed it and it went into a booting loop non stop and could not access bios. I had to put the old stick back in and it reboot fine.
Went back to the store there was a difference in the part number not exactly as in the asrock list of compatible RAM. He gave me the right one came back home installed it and again the same thing. reboot non stop and impossible to access the bios. Bof no problem I will put the old sticks back in but only this time it does the same thing and reboot non stop. I am stock with a brand new Ryzen PC that does not work anymore because of RAM upgrade. Really dont know what to do next to fix this. Help !


. . Have you tried powering down, resetting your CMOS to factory defaults and starting from scratch?

. . OK, I see I missed the bus again! Glad to hear you have sorted it out :)

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Message 1860456 - Posted: 9 Apr 2017, 1:30:54 UTC

It works !!!
Took a long break, reset cmos, reflash bios, insert one stick at a time (A2, boot, B2, boot) and it is now working 2666 MHz.
The new sticks are smaller too so I can now install and try my Hyper T4 cooler. Thanks to all of you guys !
I will run some benchmarks and compare results I had before at 2133MHz and now at 2666MHz.
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Message 1860469 - Posted: 9 Apr 2017, 2:09:36 UTC - in response to Message 1860456.  

I will run some benchmarks and compare results I had before at 2133MHz and now at 2666MHz.

Benchmarks have their uses, but what matters is crunching time.
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Message 1860477 - Posted: 9 Apr 2017, 2:59:02 UTC - in response to Message 1860469.  
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I will run some benchmarks and compare results I had before at 2133MHz and now at 2666MHz.

Benchmarks have their uses, but what matters is crunching time.

For sure. It still scores a little better everywhere and Milky way CPU WU went from 66 to 63 minutes to completion (running 6gpu tasks and 13cpu tasks). I will have a deeper look at the tasks later but for now my first early on the spot feeling is that it seems to have increase the CPU ''power'' by maybe 2-5%. Ok now that the RAM is running its CPU cooler time ! The stock wraith cooler that comes with the 1700 is very good but looking at the T4 I am confident it will perform better.
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Message 1860479 - Posted: 9 Apr 2017, 3:20:11 UTC - in response to Message 1860469.  

I will run some benchmarks and compare results I had before at 2133MHz and now at 2666MHz.

Benchmarks have their uses, but what matters is crunching time.

And that is where Ryzen shines. On my slowest system that got the Ryzen upgrade, it is now approaching the same RAC of my higher powered systems with generation newer graphic cards. It has made up almost a 10K deficit in RAC compared to my faster systems. Another way of evaluating the performance is visible in looking at the number of CPU tasks per day completed that is shown in BoincTasks. The FX CPU based systems with 1070's process about 50 CPU tasks a day. The Ryzen 1700X system with 970's is processing about 175 CPU tasks a day. That is a threefold increase in productivity just from the CPU. I am seeing a halving in CPU process time for the Ryzen system compared to the FX systems. That is both for Arecibo and BLC CPU tasks. This upgrade has definitely been a WIN for me.
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Message 1860530 - Posted: 9 Apr 2017, 11:17:47 UTC - in response to Message 1860410.  

I have just read through the past couple of days (440 messages) on the ROG Crosshair thread. It looks like they have received 3 new Beta BIOS' with some preliminary AGESA code updates. Improved the memory issue considerably and gave some more options in the BIOS to configure stuff. Four sticks and 32 GB working at spec for a lot of people now. Estimates that 50% more memory configurations are approved. There is also a fix for the stuck 1.55v VID caused by the SMU F/W bug. So let us hope that similar improvements make it to the Prime X370 BIOS and your Asrock Killer X370. My last 0515 BIOS update was about a week after than the equivalent update for the Crosshair. Hope the trend continues.

For the X370 Killer Asrock has released 2 Bios update so far since Ryzen launched. The last one says ''Update AGESA code. (Enhance for Ryzen 5)''. What bout 7 ? Anyway everything works very well except that I now only have 8Gb of RAM... the only sticks they had in stock matching the Asrock compatibility list was a pair of 4Gb HyperX 2666 MHz. Its ok for now.
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Message 1860536 - Posted: 9 Apr 2017, 12:03:57 UTC - in response to Message 1860479.  
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And that is where Ryzen shines. On my slowest system that got the Ryzen upgrade, it is now approaching the same RAC of my higher powered systems with generation newer graphic cards. It has made up almost a 10K deficit in RAC compared to my faster systems. Another way of evaluating the performance is visible in looking at the number of CPU tasks per day completed that is shown in BoincTasks. The FX CPU based systems with 1070's process about 50 CPU tasks a day. The Ryzen 1700X system with 970's is processing about 175 CPU tasks a day. That is a threefold increase in productivity just from the CPU. I am seeing a halving in CPU process time for the Ryzen system compared to the FX systems. That is both for Arecibo and BLC CPU tasks. This upgrade has definitely been a WIN for me.


My new Ryzen built and my FX dynosaurus has the same PSU, GPUs, SSD, etc. but the Ryzen system beats up the FX system so badly when it comes to power efficiency. Take it like that, the Ryzen 1700 will go twice the distance with half the gas the FX system will burn. I am currently running Milkyway and The new built report a CPU task every 5 minutes + the GPUs and it does so with 260-280 Watts and the CPU runs at 52 deg. at 100% load on stock cooler. The FX system don't run any CPU task only the GPUs and it does so with 400-425 Watts and requires water to keep it cool at 50% load. The Ryzen 1700 is a big WIN here also and is probably the best bang for your money when it comes to crunching business.
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Message 1860542 - Posted: 9 Apr 2017, 12:52:23 UTC

I just decided to see what the power draw for my Ryzen based computer is.
The computer is a Ryzen 7 1700, with 8Gb of RAM, a small hard disk and a pair of GTX960 GPUs.
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=8161267

I'm running 14 CPU tasks, plus 2 GPU tasks, 1 per GPU, using Petri/TBar special brew application.
My expectations were it would be up in the 400+W region, so imagine my delight when I see it is sitting just short of 300w!
(This goes some way to explaining why the room is a little less hot than normal)

In a day or so I will move the monitor onto one of my AMD FX based systems just to what sort of figures they are delivering (bearing in mind that the others have more power demanding GPUs....)
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Message 1860797 - Posted: 10 Apr 2017, 21:06:52 UTC

I see that there is a new 0604 BIOS for the Prime X370 Pro board today. Incorporates the latest AGESA 1.0.0.4a microcode updates. Primary fixes are for the SMU and FMA3 bugs with some additional tools for improving memory compatibility. Probably will appear for most AM4 motherboards shortly. Still the major AGESA 1.0.0.5 update in May to come.
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Message 1860933 - Posted: 11 Apr 2017, 11:25:04 UTC - in response to Message 1860797.  
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I see that there is a new 0604 BIOS for the Prime X370 Pro board today. Incorporates the latest AGESA 1.0.0.4a microcode updates. Primary fixes are for the SMU and FMA3 bugs with some additional tools for improving memory compatibility. Probably will appear for most AM4 motherboards shortly. Still the major AGESA 1.0.0.5 update in May to come.


The last update for my Bios (ASRock X370 Killer) included the ''Update AGESA to 1.0.0.4a'' and it was release on 03/31/2017.
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Message 1860966 - Posted: 12 Apr 2017, 2:13:08 UTC - in response to Message 1860933.  

I see that there is a new 0604 BIOS for the Prime X370 Pro board today. Incorporates the latest AGESA 1.0.0.4a microcode updates. Primary fixes are for the SMU and FMA3 bugs with some additional tools for improving memory compatibility. Probably will appear for most AM4 motherboards shortly. Still the major AGESA 1.0.0.5 update in May to come.


The last update for my Bios (ASRock X370 Killer) included the ''Update AGESA to 1.0.0.4a'' and it was release on 03/31/2017.

Well that just shows that Asrock is more responsive to its users than ASUS by beating ASUS to the AGESA release by almost two weeks.
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Message 1860982 - Posted: 12 Apr 2017, 4:27:54 UTC - in response to Message 1860966.  

I see that there is a new 0604 BIOS for the Prime X370 Pro board today. Incorporates the latest AGESA 1.0.0.4a microcode updates. Primary fixes are for the SMU and FMA3 bugs with some additional tools for improving memory compatibility. Probably will appear for most AM4 motherboards shortly. Still the major AGESA 1.0.0.5 update in May to come.


The last update for my Bios (ASRock X370 Killer) included the ''Update AGESA to 1.0.0.4a'' and it was release on 03/31/2017.

Well that just shows that Asrock is more responsive to its users than ASUS by beating ASUS to the AGESA release by almost two weeks.


. . To be kind, maybe ASUS were doing more debugging before releasing it ?? It is sometimes better to be cautious.

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Message 1860989 - Posted: 12 Apr 2017, 6:17:17 UTC - in response to Message 1860982.  

May be true, but doubt it based on comments by Elmor in the ROG Crosshair thread. Seems that there is some major internal politics battles going on at ASUS. To the point that any test BIOS releases will no longer happen. Only official releases from the official ASUS Download site.
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