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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Can there be a definition of sin without involving religion? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Can there be a definition of sin without involving religion? Yes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Can there be a definition of sin without involving religion? Care to give an example? |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
In a religious context, sin is the act of violating God's will by transgressing his commandments. Sin can also be viewed as any thought or action that endangers the ideal relationship between an individual and God; or as any diversion from the perceived ideal order for human living. Source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin or any act regarded as such a transgression, especially a willful or deliberate violation of some religious or moral principle. Source http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sin |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Can there be a definition of sin without involving religion? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sin I know that the english word sin is mostly connected to religion. But also to social behaviour. Here it's called "Synd" from Saxon 'sundae' or 'sundia' with the original meaning of Old English 'crime, wrongdoing, wickedness'. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sundia |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Can there be a definition of sin without involving religion? One must be careful using the word crime. You first must remember that governments that are not also a religion are a very modern thing. So crime was a offense against the religion for thousands of years. The same will apply to wrongdoing and wickedness. They are religious concepts. Just as good and evil are. The atheist would use "desirable" and "undesirable" not "good" and "evil." As such he does not anthropomorphize them and imbue them with a God that controls everything and judges everything. Jesus is purported to have said judge not lest you be judged*; obviously if you believe in a Abraham's god you must judge, as his god had** concepts of good and evil. OB:Did tRump sin when he talked about the FAUX attack in Sweden? *or some variation depending upon the "translation" **Abraham's god died with Abraham. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
OB:Did tRump sin when he talked about the FAUX attack in Sweden? No. He mentioned an incident that has not occured here together with his mentioning of terror attacks in other parts of Europe. Why? http://www.thelocal.se/20170219/sweden-wants-trump-to-explain-mysterious-last-night-in-sweden-incident |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Well that's the "sin" issue taken care, now just two left. Clyde, with your love of the constitution, does it not say in the 2nd paragraph: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." So can you provide a clear & understood explanation for your term: "The Far Superior People"? The text emboldened suggests a deity involved, so how can you be an atheist loving such a document? |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Very unfriendly of Sweden, how sad, very very sad. |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
When I announced my atheism to 2 local friends about 1.5 years ago, one engaged me in a long conversation. I do not know if he believes, but he argued that there are still things that could be called evil. Can there be a definition of evil acts without reference to religion? I absolutely think you can define 'evil' acts without a reference to religion. Of course the definition of what is wrong and what is not is obviously going to change depending on a persons beliefs- religious or otherwise. #resist |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Well that's the "sin" issue taken care, now just two left. Take a look at Spinoza's God, and you'll see that the line from the US [edit]Declaration of Independence[/edit] need not be incompatible with an atheistic view. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
As you've now become Clyde's mouthpiece & giving him an out for the 2nd point, care to answer the 1st? |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
As you've now become Clyde's mouthpiece & giving him an out for the 2nd point, care to answer the 1st? Thanks Sirius, though I'm not anybody's mouthpiece. No idea what CLYDE means by "far superior people" (not even sure which post that's from). There are others here that suggest the text you referenced implies the US was founded as a christian nation, and is incompatible with atheists, hopefully that's been put to rest. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
There are others here that suggest the text you referenced implies the US was founded as a christian nation, and is incompatible with atheistsPlease tell 45. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19059 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Well that's the "sin" issue taken care, now just two left. You didn't answer the question. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
You didn't answer the question.Hell, his hell hasn't frozen over yet. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19059 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
So can you provide a clear & understood explanation for your term: Was the question. Now answer it. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19059 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
I am not Inferior to you Then start acting like a normal sociable person. or I might just have to disagree with that statement. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Nobody has ordered you to do anything. All that was done was to ask for a clear & understood answer to your statement: We disagree what should be done after The Far Superior People consign them to the Toilet of History You've said that you're not inferior to anyone. Well, neither are you superior. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Nobody has ordered you to do anything. All that was done was to ask for a clear & understood answer to your statement: I find that VERY interesting! The foundation is underlined - Are you now saying that wasn't you? |
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