a majority of the ROK wants to join the DPRK

I'd like to read up on that and become informed but having trouble. Could you point me to some sources?

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a majority of the ROK wants to join the DPRK

I'd like to read up on that and become informed but having trouble. Could you point me to some sources?

Me too. How could the relatively free people of South Korea want to live under the rule of Kim. They may want to be united but I'm betting not at the expense of the lifestyle they have now.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

a majority of the ROK wants to join the DPRK

I'd like to read up on that and become informed but having trouble. Could you point me to some sources?

Since a considerable amount has already been posted here in the links, I think you are a bit tone deaf. So I'll suggest you read some political coverage of the ROK government as a start, say the last decade.

Since a considerable amount has already been posted here in the links, I think you are a bit tone deaf. So I'll suggest you read some political coverage of the ROK government as a start, say the last decade.

I try to read everything posted here (for obvious reasons) and I can't recall any statistically relevant poll or similar from a reliable source that indicated that the South Koreans would want Kim as their leader or the North's government as their own, so I join those asking for a citation for this seemingly dubious statement.

I do recall a few South Koreans indicating in interviews that they are more worried about Donald Trump's self-control than Kim's military, as they have also concluded that Kim is not actually planning on doing anything but tests and bluster, but that is not the same thing.

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a majority of the ROK wants to join the DPRK

I'd like to read up on that and become informed but having trouble. Could you point me to some sources?

Since a considerable amount has already been posted here in the links, I think you are a bit tone deaf. So I'll suggest you read some political coverage of the ROK government as a start, say the last decade.

You have to go back at least almost two decades to find a significant majority when there was not so much tensions between the countries.

South Korea's president Kim Dae-jung launched the so-called "sunshine policy" in 1998, aimed at promoting peaceful coexistence, reconciliation and cooperation between North and South Korea to lay the foundations for a reunification in the long run and led to a summit with the leaders of the countries in Pyongyang 2000. [1] At the meeting, the leaders of the countries, Kim Dae-jung and Kim Jong Il, signed the June 15 declaration that both countries should work for a peaceful future reunification.
Support for reunification among the younger generations in South Korea has been seen by some as faltering, with the percent of people in government polls who regarded reunification as essential dropping from more than eighty percent in the 1990s to fifty-six percent.[14] Among Koreans in their twenties, forty-one percent agreed with the statement (and only about twenty percent of teenagers)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_reunification
That Kim Jong-un could be part of a reunification of Korea is out of the question.

a majority of the ROK wants to join the DPRK

I'd like to read up on that and become informed but having trouble. Could you point me to some sources?

Since a considerable amount has already been posted here in the links, I think you are a bit tone deaf. So I'll suggest you read some political coverage of the ROK government as a start, say the last decade.

You have to go back at least almost two decades to find a significant majority when there was not so much tensions between the countries.

South Korea's president Kim Dae-jung launched the so-called "sunshine policy" in 1998, aimed at promoting peaceful coexistence, reconciliation and cooperation between North and South Korea to lay the foundations for a reunification in the long run and led to a summit with the leaders of the countries in Pyongyang 2000. [1] At the meeting, the leaders of the countries, Kim Dae-jung and Kim Jong Il, signed the June 15 declaration that both countries should work for a peaceful future reunification.
Support for reunification among the younger generations in South Korea has been seen by some as faltering, with the percent of people in government polls who regarded reunification as essential dropping from more than eighty percent in the 1990s to fifty-six percent.[14] Among Koreans in their twenties, forty-one percent agreed with the statement (and only about twenty percent of teenagers)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_reunification
That Kim Jong-un could be part of a reunification of Korea is out of the question.

That information was wishful thinking on the part of the South Korean leader and is no longer relevant.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Interesting little article. From a Sarah Palin feed to the Daily Caller, to the originally AP release on ABC News:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/korea-conducts-cruise-missile-drill-amid-korea-threats-49810768

Do they really want reunification under Kim?

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... and still I fear, and still I dare not laugh at the Mad Man!

Queen - The Prophet's Song

http://www.38north.org/2017/09/jbaron090717/

Dr. Mitsuhiro Mimura: North Korea is the poorest advanced economy in the world—but what’s important to understand is that, while it may be poor, it is still an advanced economy. In that respect alone it is unique in the world. And that is an important source for the pride the North Korean people take in what they see as their country’s achievements.

That said, they have built a comprehensive production structure including both labor-intensive and capital-intensive industries. They are able not only to produce capital goods to run their society, like railroad locomotives and carriages, cargo vessels, turbines and generators for power plants, numerically controlled lathes, but they also make most of the things needed for military use, from small arms to ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons, trucks, jeeps, destroyers, and diesel engines.
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Let’s start with how people who’ve never been there understand the place—and that’s mostly through the regime’s propaganda. Outsiders find it chilling and comical at the same time. North Koreans themselves are inundated with propaganda in school and at the workplace, in the newspaper and on TV.

The goals and themes of the propaganda haven’t changed in 50 years. But the people on the receiving end—even the people who write the propaganda and send it out—they have changed a great deal. The people who make the country run—the officials, managers, teachers and workers—there’s a big difference between what they say in the morning and do in the afternoon.

Families need income independent of what they get from the government. The people understand it. The government understands it, too.

Ten different families have ten different ways of making money.

For example, a wife has a talent for making clothes. Or cookies. Or cakes. She starts providing those services and products to people in her neighborhood. That household business starts at a very small scale, just selling to her neighbors individually. But through word of mouth she gets more customers. So her business grows. She needs help. Officially, she can’t hire the help she needs. Officially, that’s forbidden.

But…if she works together with a group of wives in her building…that’s acceptable. If one wife hires nine others, that’s illegal exploitation. But if ten wives work together, that’s socialist cooperation. And in the North Korea of today that socialist cooperation is held up as an example for others.

There is some barter, but mostly, this new economic activity at the individual level is based on payment in currency, either North Korean won or foreign currency. This monetization of economic activity, as economists call it, is also something new for North Korea.

You have to understand this to understand the continuing resilience of North Korea. You can’t see it from the outside. You have to be there and talk to people to understand it. Outsiders wonder why the place doesn’t just collapse, why the place is so resilient.
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The crucial point is the leadership now recognizes that if they motivate the workers and farmers to produce more, the workers and farmers will produce more.

And there’s a new phrase for that, and no, it’s not called capitalism. Instead, it’s called “Socialist Competition.” And the competition isn’t at the individual level, but at the production entity level—and that production entity level can be really really small.
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A quick lesson on the DPRK political system, its institutions.

For about 30 years, after its founding in 1948, the leadership held regular Congresses of the Korean Workers Party to infuse the people with the “correct” ideology and political understanding.

But between 1980 and 2016, there wasn’t a single Workers’ Party Congress. That coincided with the breakup of the Soviet Union and the end of the East Bloc, the development of capitalism in China. And especially in the terrible food shortages in North Korea in the 1990s and early 2000s, as the people stopped looking to the State for what they needed to survive and instead relied on their own efforts, we saw some erosion of the formal institutions of control.

What we’ve seen from the Seventh Congress of the Korean Workers Party, held in May 2016, is a re-invigoration of the tools of control, to reinforce the importance of the group over the individual, to drill in what’s expected, demanded, of a North Korean citizen, through groups such as the Youth League and women’s groups.

Those groups are the means for the leadership to hammer home propaganda and the continuing education of youth and adults. The leadership wants citizens to identify as members of a group, ultimately, to form a national polity—and not as individuals.
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North Koreans tell me their country is safe because they have nuclear weapons. They point to Libya, Iraq and Ukraine as countries that had nuclear programs, gave them up, and were then attacked by either the US or Russia. They say the DPRK made the right decision to stick with developing nukes. And now they have them. And now that their country is demonstrating the means to deliver those weapons wherever they want, including Washington, they believe the DPRK will be safe from American attack.

Since I started studying North Korea, in the 1980s, and made my first visit there, in 1996, my conclusion is the US has played an important role in helping the Kim family stay in power. When the outside world threatens the North, it makes the DPRK stronger. The people rally and come together to find a way to confront the threat—including the threat of sanctions.

JB: Speaking of sanctions, what if the international sanctions aimed at forcing the regime to give up nuclear weapons and missiles really squeezed North Korea, cutting off fuel and trade, depriving it of the minimum it needed to survive?

MM: Well, in 1941…

JB: 1941? Sanctions and Pearl Harbor?

MM: Yes. What started Tokyo’s countdown to Pearl Harbor was the US cutoff of oil to Japan, in August 1941. Washington meant for the oil embargo to pressure Japan against continued Japanese expansion into Asia. But the result of that pressure was World War II. As fuel supplies fell to the minimum needed for what it saw as self-defense, Tokyo decided it had to strike first, and it did, on December 7, 1941.

JB: Where are we now with North Korea?

MM: The US is going down that same road again now, against a political system that in many respects is similar to Japan’s own in 1941. Washington now is pushing for a complete shutoff of fuel shipments in North Korea. The US hope is that North Korea will react to that pressure by ending its nuclear and missile programs.

But if North Korea sees those programs as vital to its own national security—and I believe it does—the North might choose that other path, the path Japan chose in 1941, and strike first. That is, launch a war, even though they know they can’t win it, before they reach the point where they don’t have enough fuel to defend itself against outside attack.

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What happened to sources for:

a majority of the ROK wants to join the DPRK

That article was about NK.

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Ping Pong II threatens US with the "greatest pain"

Meanwhile, some Chinese views

Hearken NOKO. For dA Brightness of Brighteyes comes to SMOTE.

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I am very glad to go, for now I have no more joy in life, being but a luckless man; it is an ill world, friends, and all the ways are red with blood. I have shed much blood, though but one life haunts me now at the last, and that is the life of Atli the Earl, for he was no match for my might and he is dead because of my sin. With my own blood I will wash away the blood of Atli, and then I seek another place, leaving nothing but a tale to be told in the ingle when fall the winter snows. For to this end we all come at the last, and it matters little if it find us at midday or at nightfall. We live in sorrow, we die in pain and darkness: for this is the curse that the Gods have laid upon men and each must taste it in his season. But I have sworn that no more men shall die for me. I will fight the last great fight alone; for I know this: I shall not easily be overcome, and with my fallen foes I will tread on Bifrost Bridge. Therefore, farewell! When the bones of Eric Brighteyes lie in their barrow, or are picked by ravens on the mountain side, Gizur will not trouble to hunt out those who clung to him, if indeed Gizur shall live to tell the tale. Nor need ye fear the hate of Swanhild, for she aims her spears at me alone. Go, therefore, and when I am dead, do not forget me, and do not seek to avenge me, for Death the avenger of all will find them also.”

H. Rider Haggard. Eric Brighteyes

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So Bright are dA Eyes of Yap

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

What happened to sources for:

a majority of the ROK wants to join the DPRK

That article was about NK.

The 59 links in Jan's article might be a good place for someone who reads links to start.
PS You aren't the only person whom I might be responding to.

Meanwhile, some Chinese views

But it is more likely that China keeps the trade flowing across the old Dandong bridge because it genuinely fears the consequences of not doing so.

Pushing North Korea to the brink of regime collapse would risk bringing chaos and instability flowing into China's north-east.

It would also create the wider regional security challenge of a failed state with unsecured nuclear weapons.

Threatening North Korea's ruling elite with action likely to spell their doom, it argues, would increase - not diminish - their incentive to develop nuclear weapons as the ultimate security guarantee.

North Korea, as both China and Russia like to point out, has learned well the lesson of Iraq and Libya - states that either didn't possess nuclear weapons or had bargained them away.

"America has forced North Korea into this," laments one old man, taking in the music in Dandong's park.

"Everybody wants the denuclearisation of the Korean peninsular but because of the Americans' behaviour, it can't be achieved."

Will it ever sink in? Unfortunately, no.

Meanwhile, some Chinese views

Dandong City...
I guess China is very disappointed.
Building a bridge to NK to facilitate trade but cannot be used because NK have no roads to it and building the new city that is now like a ghost town.

- No, I'm not worried about being here. Not with the situation as it is in the country and not with the missiles either. Here it feels safe, there is a whole river between us, "says Yuan Xiu Ling on the seafront and laughs.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/svt-pa-plats-vid-nordkoreas-grans
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.svt.se%2Fnyheter%2Futrikes%2Fsvt-pa-plats-vid-nordkoreas-grans&edit-text=

New Dandong City can already house 400,000 people, but most reminiscent of a ghost town. The 60,000 residents who have already moved here have lost a lot of money in a short period of time. Housing prices are raging, but Jiang Wei remains and hopes for peace on the Korean Peninsula.
- I am worried. Certainly. And I hope, of course, that it will be better. But it's hard to talk about these difficult questions.

Ah, to be a NOKO Thrall. Honorable? Depends on dA 'LORD'.

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“I did not think to live to hear such words from the lips of Eric Brighteyes. They are well earned, yet it is unmanly of thee, lord, thus to taunt one who loves thee. I would sooner die as Swanhild said yonder thrall should die than live to listen to such words. I have sinned against thee, indeed, and because of my sin my heart is broken. Hast thou, then, never sinned that thou wouldst tear it living from my breast as eagles tear a foundered horse? Think on thine own sins, Eric, and pity mine! Taunt me thus once more or bid me go once more and I will go indeed! I will go thus— on the edge of yonder gulf thou didst overcome me by thy naked might, and there I swore fealty to thee, Eric Brighteyes. Many a year have we wandered side by side, and, standing back to back, have struck many a blow. I am minded to do this: to stand by thee in the last great fight that draws on and to die there with thee. I have loved no other man save thee, and I am too old to seek new lords. Yet, if still thou biddest me, I will go thus. Where I swore my oath to thee, there I will end it. For I will lay me down on the brink of yonder gulf, as once I lay when thy hand was at my throat, and call out that thou art no more my lord and I am no more thy thrall. Then I will roll into the depths beneath, and by this death of shame thou shalt be freed of me, Eric Brighteyes.”

H. Rider Haggard. Eric Brighteyes

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To DIE fO dA Un One. To Be SOKO and Want to be NOKO. Sounds Like ...........[CharpDots].............to Me.

By Your Side to dA End of Yap

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

More threats from NK today...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles/north-korea-threatens-to-sink-japan-reduce-u-s-to-ashes-and-darkness-idUSKCN1BP0F3

A North Korean state agency threatened on Thursday to use nuclear weapons to “sink” Japan and reduce the United States to “ashes and darkness” for supporting a U.N. Security Council resolution and sanctions over its latest nuclear test.
The Korea Asia-Pacific Peace Committee, which handles the North’s external ties and propaganda, also called for the breakup of the Security Council, which it called “a tool of evil” made up of “money-bribed” countries that move at the order of the United States.
“The four islands of the archipelago should be sunken into the sea by the nuclear bomb of Juche. Japan is no longer needed to exist near us,” the committee said in a statement carried by the North’s official KCNA news agency.
Juche is the North’s ruling ideology that mixes Marxism and an extreme form of go-it-alone nationalism preached by state founder Kim Il Sung, the grandfather of the current leader, Kim Jong Un.

I wonder why Kim thinks that the U.N. Security Council are made up of "“money-bribed” countries that move at the order of the United States".
Both China and Russia approved to more sanctions and they are certainly not bribed by any country.

Perhaps

So sorry to inform you but a majority of the ROK wants to join the DPRK. I realize your western brain can't wrap its brain cells around this.

is a lie fabricated of whole cloth? Or a mis-remembered quote.

Or maybe someone has forgotten their own accusations of lies................

Cite the source or admit your fake-truth.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Early TV reports are that N.Korea just launched another missile over Japan landing 2000kms off the coast (I'm not sure about whose coast they're talking about). :-(

No cheers.

It landed on the eastern coast of Hokkaido.
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/

1st news link over here.

[edit] North Korea threatens to ‘reduce US to ashes’. (or maybe they'll just exterminate themselves)

Cheers.