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Message 1969756 - Posted: 10 Dec 2018, 13:26:45 UTC - in response to Message 1969642.  
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Gawd how can you post such ungrammatical nonsense. I can guess what you are trying to say but the punctuation and dangling phrases leave me wondering.

In response to:

What non-military effort will make Russia stop their criminal aggression against sovereign Nations and their people?

If Putin's primary need, as with the Soviet Union, is to re-institute the borders of the Soviet Union and not the welfare of his people. And Western European Appeasement is again to be the response against a Criminal Country.

Perhaps a new Cold War with no trade and acceptance of Russia's previous borders and re-control of Eastern Europe is necessary.

Oh... I forgot about the suicidal need of some Western European Nations to import Putin's energy.

Therefore, with editing: Perhaps a new Cold War with no trade and acceptance of Russia's previous borders and re-control of Eastern Europe is necessary.

Let's start with the first sentence.

"What non-military effort will make Russia stop their criminal aggression against sovereign Nations and their people?"

Dear betreger,

Answer?

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Message 1969763 - Posted: 10 Dec 2018, 14:42:30 UTC - in response to Message 1969638.  

Oh... I forgot about the suicidal need of some Western European Nations to import Putin's energy.
You have been listening to Trump's nonsense.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davekeating/2018/07/19/how-dependent-is-germany-on-russian-gas/#5f7e53e43b48
in 2015 Germany imported 35% of its gas from Russia. About the same amount, 34%, came from Norway. 29% came from The Netherlands. The precise current amount is difficult to measure because Germany’s Federal Office for Economic Affairs and Export Control (BAFA) stopped publishing import volumes in 2016 because of privacy regulations.

And it's an irony that Ukraine remains the main route of supply of Russian gas to Europe.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-economy/2504688-gas-transit-via-ukraine-after-2019.html
According to the European Commission, in 2017 the volume of gas transit to the EU was as follows: Ukraine - 44%, Nord Stream – 30% and Belarus 24%.
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Message 1969766 - Posted: 10 Dec 2018, 14:52:24 UTC - in response to Message 1969763.  

Oh... I forgot about the suicidal need of some Western European Nations to import Putin's energy.
You have been listening to Trump's nonsense.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davekeating/2018/07/19/how-dependent-is-germany-on-russian-gas/#5f7e53e43b48
in 2015 Germany imported 35% of its gas from Russia. About the same amount, 34%, came from Norway. 29% came from The Netherlands. The precise current amount is difficult to measure because Germany’s Federal Office for Economic Affairs and Export Control (BAFA) stopped publishing import volumes in 2016 because of privacy regulations.

And it's an irony that Ukraine remains the main route of supply of Russian gas to Europe.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-economy/2504688-gas-transit-via-ukraine-after-2019.html
According to the European Commission, in 2017 the volume of gas transit to the EU was as follows: Ukraine - 44%, Nord Stream – 30% and Belarus 24%.

35% of vitally needed energy imported from Putin's Russia is not a substantial problem?

Since Putin controls the German economy and can shut it down at anytime Germany threatens what Putin wishes to do.

What can Germany do tomorrow, next week, next month, six months, etc. from now to stop Putin?
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Message 1969771 - Posted: 10 Dec 2018, 15:11:36 UTC - in response to Message 1969766.  

Since Putin controls the German economy and can shut it down at anytime Germany threatens what Putin wishes to do
Why would Putin do that? Shuting down one of the Russian's main incomes?
Russia cannot afford it.
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Message 1969772 - Posted: 10 Dec 2018, 15:17:23 UTC - in response to Message 1969771.  
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Since Putin controls the German economy and can shut it down at anytime Germany threatens what Putin wishes to do
Why would Putin do that? Shuting down one of the Russian's main incomes?
Russia cannot afford it.

What are Putin's priorities?

Is it the Russian people or his need to restore the Russian borders to those of the Soviet Union?

Unless one believes that Russian Leaders have usually placed the good of their people over their own needs.

I believe Putin is capable of doing what would be anathema in The West.
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Message 1969776 - Posted: 10 Dec 2018, 15:38:39 UTC - in response to Message 1969772.  

What are Putin's priorities?
To become greater than Tsar Peter the Great of course:)

Is it the Russian people or his need to restore the Russian borders to those of the Soviet Union?
According to Putin, Russia restoring former borders is to protect Russian citizens.
Especially protecting citizens in Moscow and St Petersburg.
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Message 1969779 - Posted: 10 Dec 2018, 15:52:14 UTC - in response to Message 1969776.  

What are Putin's priorities?
To become greater than Tsar Peter the Great of course:)

Is it the Russian people or his need to restore the Russian borders to those of the Soviet Union?
According to Putin, Russia restoring former borders is to protect Russian citizens.
Especially protecting citizens in Moscow and St Petersburg.

Let's not believe that Putin's future actions would be what we would consider correct for Russia or the Russian people.
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Message 1969794 - Posted: 10 Dec 2018, 18:26:33 UTC
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UNIAN: Poroshenko enacts law on termination of Ukraine-Russia friendship deal

https://www.unian.info/politics/10371039-poroshenko-enacts-law-on-termination-of-ukraine-russia-friendship-deal.html

P.S. Poroshenko every time speak about the Ukraine at war with Russia, almost 5 years already. And he terminate Ukraine-Russia friendship deal only now. And really it's not the termination but not-prolongation, from April 1 of 2019. Hm. Hypocrisy again and again...
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Message 1969799 - Posted: 10 Dec 2018, 19:18:28 UTC - in response to Message 1969794.  

UNIAN: Poroshenko enacts law on termination of Ukraine-Russia friendship deal

https://www.unian.info/politics/10371039-poroshenko-enacts-law-on-termination-of-ukraine-russia-friendship-deal.html

P.S. Poroshenko every time speak about the Ukraine at war with Russia, almost 5 years already. And he terminate Ukraine-Russia friendship deal only now. And really it's not the termination but not-prolongation, from April 1 of 2019. Hm. Hypocrisy again and again...

Or finally had enough of Putin.

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Message 1970161 - Posted: 13 Dec 2018, 17:49:45 UTC

Joel Lion, Ambassador of the State of Israel to Ukraine:
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I was shocked to hear the decision of the Lviv Oblast declaring 2019 as the Stepan Bandera year. I cannot understand how the glorification of those directly involved in horrible antisemitic crimes helps fight antisemitism and xenophobia.
Ukraine should not forget those crimes committed against Ukrainian Jews and in no way celebrate them through honoring their perpetrators.
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Message 1970186 - Posted: 13 Dec 2018, 20:57:40 UTC - in response to Message 1970161.  

I wonder why he's shocked. It's nothing new.
Last year celebrating Bandera at his birth on January 1.
https://www.unian.info/society/2327799-over-6500-people-take-part-in-events-across-ukraine-to-honor-bandera.html
But apparently now even Ukrainian oblast councils declare Bandera years on top of that.
Lviv and also Zhytomyr :(
http://24-my.info/in-the-lviv-region-2019-declared-the-year-of-bandera/
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Message 1970310 - Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 15:43:59 UTC
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Why is Putin so keen off Ukriane?
Maybe there is an answer to that.
Vatrushki (ukrainian: ватрушка)
The name comes from Ukrainian word vatra (Ukrainian: ватра) which means fireplace, brasa.
Putin once shared memories about his mother who "baked pies with cabbage, meat, or rice - and vatrushki (pies with cottage cheese)

And Ukha of course, a fish soup that originate from the Don region.
Yes. Donbass:)
https://www.rbth.com/russian-kitchen/326728-what-does-russian-president-putin-eat
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Message 1970428 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 6:03:52 UTC

moomin's post, as usually, contain many incorrect (or false) information.
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Message 1970430 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 6:21:19 UTC - in response to Message 1970428.  

moomin's post, as usually, contain many incorrect (or false) information.
How so?

Please elaborate.
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Message 1970440 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 8:02:51 UTC
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"Vatrushka "- the etymology (i.e. origin) of the word is unclear. Yes, first hypothesis derives the name from the word "vatra", but "vatra" is not only Ukrainian word. And there is two other hypotheses about etymology of this word.
"Ukha" as a fish soup, was known in central and north Russia for centuries before Russians populates the Don region.
"Donbass", the origin of this name ("Donetskiy basseyn") is from the name of Donets (Seversky Donets) river, not the Don river. And the Don river is located in Russia, outside Ukraine.
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Message 1970464 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 13:08:37 UTC - in response to Message 1970440.  
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Vatruska is a Ukrainian sweetbread which is also popular throughout Eastern Europe.
Reference Stechishin, Savella. (1991). Traditional Ukrainian Cookery. London: Trident Press Ltd. Libris 9780919490369
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatruska

Ukha is mostly associated in Russia with the Don region.
The roots of the soup probably originated in the culture of the Russian Cossack steppe riders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukha
Donskaya Ukha
http://welcome2018.com/en/journal/materials/rostov_on_don_volunteers_help_to_conduct_annual_donskaya_ukha_festival/

Donets is a tributary to Don.
Maybe our Vikings got lost there.
In Snorre Sturlason's Heimskringla, Don is called Vanakvisl and Tanakvisl.
But I think the fishes that swim in the Don also swim in the Donets:)
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Message 1970535 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 21:20:55 UTC
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Ukha. Ukha is NOT mostly associated in Russia with the Don region. The roots of the soup originated long before appearance of Don's Russian Cossacks. Reading some local myths from some articles of Wikipedia don't give the real knowledge. LOL.

Vatrushka. Despite of etymology, most population of Belarus and Russia perceive Vatrushkas as product of their local cuisine, without thought about Ukraine.
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Vatrushka (Belarusian, Russian and Ukrainian: ватрушка) is an Eastern European pastry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatrushka
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Donets is a tributary of Don, but this fact change nothing in my previous post. Donbass is Donets region, not the Don region.

P.S. Yes, moomin never recognizes his mistakes.
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Message 1970539 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 21:34:30 UTC

Or, like some others around here, facts don't matter in an alternative universe. ;-)

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Message 1970542 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 21:50:56 UTC - in response to Message 1970539.  
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Wiggo, please ask many Russians (not from the Don region), is the "ukha" really mostly associated in Russia with the Don region and Don cossacks. You will listen something that contradict of strange info from Wiki.
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Message 1970556 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 23:05:19 UTC - in response to Message 1970535.  

Ukha. Ukha is NOT mostly associated in Russia with the Don region. The roots of the soup originated long before appearance of Don's Russian Cossacks. Reading some local myths from some articles of Wikipedia don't give the real knowledge. LOL.

Vatrushka. Despite of etymology, most population of Belarus and Russia perceive Vatrushkas as product of their local cuisine, without thought about Ukraine.
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Vatrushka (Belarusian, Russian and Ukrainian: ватрушка) is an Eastern European pastry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatrushka
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Donets is a tributary of Don, but this fact change nothing in my previous post. Donbass is Donets region, not the Don region.

P.S. Yes, moomin never recognizes his mistakes.
LOL:)
Reading some local myths from some articles of Wikipedia don't give the real knowledge.
I read the "local myth" about fish soups from an article from Rostov-on-Don and the Rostov region as I also gave a link to.
Lets try again. "Don fish soup is one of the main dishes of the Cossack cuisine; it is included in the list of the most popular national dishes in Russia."

You trust the English Wiki more than the Swedish Wiki. Hehe:)
It so happens that Sweden and Ukraine has a long history connecting us.
About 1000 years. That goes for Russia as well as you well know.
Britain came in many years later. In the first Crimean war I think that was about 150 years ago.
Still the fishes in the Donets and the Don share the same waters:)

As for food cultures. Heck. Russia is not the only country in this world that like beets.
Welcome to Sweden, Finland and Estonia!
Or fish soups for that matter:)
Or sweetbreads like Vatrushka for that matter as well:)
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