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Message 1884116 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 5:09:01 UTC - in response to Message 1884077.  

Question? Could I just replace the 3 executables from the repository version of 7.2.42 with these ones?
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Message 1884120 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 5:28:34 UTC - in response to Message 1884116.  
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It should work by just copying and pasting the files mentioned back here;

...If you already have a working BOINC folder in your Home folder running zi3v and just want the New BOINC 7.2.47, copy the following files from the Download and paste them into your Existing BOINC folder;

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It works for me and I've changed Apps dozens of times in the BOINC Folder in my Home Folder. I haven't used the Repository version of BOINC in over Four years, so, can't help with that.
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Message 1884127 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 5:53:06 UTC - in response to Message 1884077.  

Oh, I forgot to mention another one of the features BOINC 7.2.47 has over the older 7.2.42;

1) Shows the CUDA driver version
2) Finds the OpenCL Library when using the Repository driver
3) Works in Newer versions of Ubuntu and 'may' work in other newer versions of Linux
4) Comes in an All In One package with the CUDA 8.0 Special App and supporting Apps Pre-Installed
5) Allows caching of up to 3k tasks

Nice features, and it also doesn't cause the Tasks Page to Jump to the Bottom of the Page during Scheduler Updates.


I'm using BOINC 7.8.0 and it works fine on Ubuntu 16.04.
The only problem is in the window display. No way to increase the window size, so, many option cannot be selected.
Does it include also feature 5) ? It would solve the tuesday outage problem ?
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Message 1884133 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 6:21:01 UTC - in response to Message 1884127.  

I'm using BOINC 7.8.0 and it works fine on Ubuntu 16.04.
The only problem is in the window display. No way to increase the window size, so, many option cannot be selected.
Does it include also feature 5) ? It would solve the tuesday outage problem ?
The mentioned feature is only in 7.2.47, it was designed for people such as myself who run the Special App.
Hmmm, I haven't had any trouble resizing the Manager window in 7.8, which video driver are you using? I'm using the Repository driver, my machines don't like the drivers from nVidia running with kernel 4.10.
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Message 1884141 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 6:49:48 UTC - in response to Message 1884133.  

I'm using BOINC 7.8.0 and it works fine on Ubuntu 16.04.
The only problem is in the window display. No way to increase the window size, so, many option cannot be selected.
Does it include also feature 5) ? It would solve the tuesday outage problem ?
The mentioned feature is only in 7.2.47, it was designed for people such as myself who run the Special App.
Hmmm, I haven't had any trouble resizing the Manager window in 7.8, which video driver are you using? I'm using the Repository driver, my machines don't like the drivers from nVidia running with kernel 4.10.


Yes I'm running the nvidia driver (mageia 6 using kernel 4.9) ... nvidia driver is 384, mageia is still 375
Problem affect only window with sub-windows (computing preferences)
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Message 1884144 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 7:16:22 UTC - in response to Message 1884141.  

Yes I'm running the nvidia driver (mageia 6 using kernel 4.9) ... nvidia driver is 384, mageia is still 375
Problem affect only window with sub-windows (computing preferences)
That was my first thought. I can't run 384 at all on my Ubuntu 16.04 machines with kernel 4.10, NV 384 works fine with Ubuntu kernel 4.8. The Repository driver 375.66 has worked fine on my machines, you might want to give that a try. The only problem I've found with BOINC 7.8 is it makes the Tasks Page Jump to the bottom during random scheduler updates which for me is a show stopper. BOINC 7.2.47 works fine in Ubuntu 14.04.5, but has the stopping problem with 16.04. I think there is another problem with 7.2.47 in Ubuntu 16.04, it doesn't print the stdoutdae.txt whereas it prints it in Ubuntu 14.04.5. Don't know why there are differences in 16.04, but so far it hasn't been anything major, and sure beats a Jumping Tasks page.
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Message 1884164 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 10:36:39 UTC - in response to Message 1884144.  

That was my first thought. I can't run 384 at all on my Ubuntu 16.04 machines with kernel 4.10, NV 384 works fine with Ubuntu kernel 4.8. The Repository driver 375.66 has worked fine on my machines, you might want to give that a try. The only problem I've found with BOINC 7.8 is it makes the Tasks Page Jump to the bottom during random scheduler updates which for me is a show stopper. BOINC 7.2.47 works fine in Ubuntu 14.04.5, but has the stopping problem with 16.04. I think there is another problem with 7.2.47 in Ubuntu 16.04, it doesn't print the stdoutdae.txt whereas it prints it in Ubuntu 14.04.5. Don't know why there are differences in 16.04, but so far it hasn't been anything major, and sure beats a Jumping Tasks page.


Don't understand what you means by 'Tasks Page Jump'....anyway version 8.0 works fine for me on Ubuntu 16.04.3 using repository driver 375.66.
There is a BOINC meeting in Paris beginning of september...time to report all those problems ;)

btw, is there any update on macos software ? the webiste seems to be outdated
http://www.arkayn.us/forum/index.php?topic=191.msg4501#msg4501
My mac crash and I get a new one...was looking for the latest build for sierra.
Found MBv8_8.22r3605_avx2_x86_64-apple-darwin and MBv8_8.22r3610_ati5_ssse3_x86_64-apple-darwin in a backup (you sent
me those files beginning january).
Thanks.
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Message 1884167 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 11:04:20 UTC

Don't understand what you means by 'Tasks Page Jump'....anyway version 8.0 works fine for me on Ubuntu 16.04.3 using repository driver 375.66.

In the BOINC Manager, under Linux: When looking at the tasks page of the GUI the list suddenly re-arranges itself into what appears to be "newest at top" order. This is not related to the version of SETI being run, or the video driver being used, it is a "feature" of the more recent Linux version of BOINC Manager (7.6.31) . Certainly in earlier version of BOINC Manager this did not happen (but I can't remember how far back one has to go).


There is a BOINC meeting in Paris beginning of September...time to report all those problems ;)

This meeting is more about the way forward than fixing bugs.
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Message 1884170 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 12:05:14 UTC

I also built a BOINC 7.4.53 version and it also has the Jumping Tasks Page Bug, as does the 7.6.33 version I built. I haven't tried the Still current (After 3 YEARS!) 7.4.22 Development version in a while, but I remember that version also having the Tasks Page Bug. The last version that Doesn't have the Bug is 7.2.42, which is why I went through the trouble of Building the 7.2.47 version and fixing a couple outstanding Bugs with that version. 7.2.47 works acceptably well on my machines. There is a list of the problems I encounter in a thread at the BOINC Forum in the BOINC Manager section, for anyone interested.

I haven't worked on the Mac since I filed the Bug report back in May about the New Pascal Driver basically breaking my CUDA Apps. The Bug report is still Open as far as I know. I suspect the nVidia driver problems in OSX are related to the Linux kernel 4.10 problems as they occurred around the same time. I see there is a New OSX CUDA driver, I might give that a try in a couple weeks. I haven't been very happy with Apple lately, they've made it almost impossible to boot to another platform without jumping through their hoops. I thought my XP system had turned belly up until I finally got Linux working again. Then I discovered there wasn't anything wrong with XP, Apple was just blocking it. My XP works fine when started from the Grub screen. It was also a pain to get Linux working again since I don't have an EFI Boot screen with my nVidia cards. Seems they are going out of their way to make any computing except their own difficult.
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Message 1884185 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 13:36:19 UTC - in response to Message 1884167.  


In the BOINC Manager, under Linux: When looking at the tasks page of the GUI the list suddenly re-arranges itself into what appears to be "newest at top" order. This is not related to the version of SETI being run, or the video driver being used, it is a "feature" of the more recent Linux version of BOINC Manager (7.6.31) . Certainly in earlier version of BOINC Manager this did not happen (but I can't remember how far back one has to go).


Don't see anything like this on 7.2.42 or 7.8.0....anyway, not really important.

There is a BOINC meeting in Paris beginning of September...time to report all those problems ;)

This meeting is more about the way forward than fixing bugs.[/quote]
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Message 1884227 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 16:56:41 UTC - in response to Message 1884185.  

Are you sure you don't see the Page jumping with BOINC 7.8? When I switched a machine from 7.2.47 to 7.8 a few hours ago it immediately jumped to the bottom of the page on startup. I scrolled it back to the top and 5 minutes later it was back at the bottom. I gave up and reversed the sorting to have the active tasks at the bottom and it's been there since. Unfortunately it will occasionally jump just high enough off the bottom to where the active tasks are out of view. Open the Manager to the Tasks Tab and sort by Progress with the active tasks at the Top of the Page. See how long it stays that way.
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Message 1884256 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 19:08:16 UTC - in response to Message 1884227.  

Are you sure you don't see the Page jumping with BOINC 7.8? When I switched a machine from 7.2.47 to 7.8 a few hours ago it immediately jumped to the bottom of the page on startup. I scrolled it back to the top and 5 minutes later it was back at the bottom. I gave up and reversed the sorting to have the active tasks at the bottom and it's been there since. Unfortunately it will occasionally jump just high enough off the bottom to where the active tasks are out of view. Open the Manager to the Tasks Tab and sort by Progress with the active tasks at the Top of the Page. See how long it stays that way.


sorry no problem !
1) open the Tasks Tab
2) show all tasks
3) sort by Progress so active tasks are at top
4) 100% completed tasks at top after few minutes
5) After 10 minutes, completed tasks disappear as they are sent to servers

till display active tasks at top 20 minutes after...
will wait until CPU tasks are completed (one hour)...
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Message 1884268 - Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 19:45:34 UTC - in response to Message 1884256.  

Keep watching, I've had it go as long as 2 hours without jumping. Other times it jumps every Update or 2. On Tuesdays when it isn't downloading tasks it will stay at the top for as long as it isn't downloading new tasks, once the downloads start, it jumps back to the bottom to show the downloads. It appears it's sole purpose it to show the tasks being downloaded, it doesn't care what you want to view.
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Message 1884405 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 6:26:49 UTC - in response to Message 1884268.  

Keep watching, I've had it go as long as 2 hours without jumping. Other times it jumps every Update or 2. On Tuesdays when it isn't downloading tasks it will stay at the top for as long as it isn't downloading new tasks, once the downloads start, it jumps back to the bottom to show the downloads. It appears it's sole purpose it to show the tasks being downloaded, it doesn't care what you want to view.


12 hours later...still no problem !
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Message 1884450 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 13:44:17 UTC - in response to Message 1884405.  

Keep watching, I've had it go as long as 2 hours without jumping. Other times it jumps every Update or 2. On Tuesdays when it isn't downloading tasks it will stay at the top for as long as it isn't downloading new tasks, once the downloads start, it jumps back to the bottom to show the downloads. It appears it's sole purpose it to show the tasks being downloaded, it doesn't care what you want to view.


12 hours later...still no problem on Mageia !
....but same problem on Ubuntu 16.04 !

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Message 1884490 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 16:45:26 UTC - in response to Message 1883815.  
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. . Not quite. Create/install the, BOINC folder under your home folder and then you will have the usual BOINC/projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu folder for SETI, copy the special app and libraries into that folder.

Stephen

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I haven't looked, will the "standard" Ubuntu repository install put the bionic folder under your Home folder?

I haven't gotten around to deleting Lubuntu and doing a fresh install. Side tracked by work, family Win10 tech support, a new diet and installing Win Server 2012 r2. ;)

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Message 1884499 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 17:18:14 UTC - in response to Message 1884450.  
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Keep watching, I've had it go as long as 2 hours without jumping. Other times it jumps every Update or 2. On Tuesdays when it isn't downloading tasks it will stay at the top for as long as it isn't downloading new tasks, once the downloads start, it jumps back to the bottom to show the downloads. It appears it's sole purpose it to show the tasks being downloaded, it doesn't care what you want to view.


12 hours later...still no problem on Mageia !
....but same problem on Ubuntu 16.04 !
I've had the Jumping Tasks Page on Ubuntu 12.04, 14.04, 16.04, Mint 18.2, & Xubuntu 16.04. Everyone else that has tried has also had the same problem. I just tried to install Mageia 6 and apparently there is some non-Ubuntu trick to getting the Driver to work. It says the Current 375.66 is installed, but it seems the open source driver is still working as BOINC says No Usable GPUs. My last attempt was to change the 3D setting to use compiz and now it refuses to Boot. It seems Mageia is much less user friendly than the Ubuntu varieties. Too bad if Mageia really doesn't have the problem, it would at least double the difficulty for new users, heck, I can't even get it to work. Back to Ubuntu and BOINC 7.2.47 for me, where the Tasks page also doesn't jump.
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Message 1884559 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 20:35:30 UTC - in response to Message 1884499.  

Keep watching, I've had it go as long as 2 hours without jumping. Other times it jumps every Update or 2. On Tuesdays when it isn't downloading tasks it will stay at the top for as long as it isn't downloading new tasks, once the downloads start, it jumps back to the bottom to show the downloads. It appears it's sole purpose it to show the tasks being downloaded, it doesn't care what you want to view.


12 hours later...still no problem on Mageia !
....but same problem on Ubuntu 16.04 !
I've had the Jumping Tasks Page on Ubuntu 12.04, 14.04, 16.04, Mint 18.2, & Xubuntu 16.04. Everyone else that has tried has also had the same problem. I just tried to install Mageia 6 and apparently there is some non-Ubuntu trick to getting the Driver to work. It says the Current 375.66 is installed, but it seems the open source driver is still working as BOINC says No Usable GPUs. My last attempt was to change the 3D setting to use compiz and now it refuses to Boot. It seems Mageia is much less user friendly than the Ubuntu varieties. Too bad if Mageia really doesn't have the problem, it would at least double the difficulty for new users, heck, I can't even get it to work. Back to Ubuntu and BOINC 7.2.47 for me, where the Tasks page also doesn't jump.


24 hours later....jumping tasks page is there on mageia 6 !
I don't understand why it was working fine for a whole day and now the bug is there !
anyway, this is not a serious bug for me, I use to display only running tasks.

Make sure driver is set to "nvidia'" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
I agree mageia is not as user friendly as ubuntu...but it's a french distribution ;)
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Message 1884564 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 21:30:47 UTC - in response to Message 1884490.  


I haven't looked, will the "standard" Ubuntu repository install put the bionic folder under your Home folder?

I haven't gotten around to deleting Lubuntu and doing a fresh install. Side tracked by work, family Win10 tech support, a new diet and installing Win Server 2012 r2. ;)

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. . No! The repository version of BOINC will install in /var/lib/boinc-client. You may run into permission/ownership issues if you are working with that version. There are several ways to attack that problem but I forget which way worked the best for me.

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Message 1884568 - Posted: 17 Aug 2017, 21:53:57 UTC - in response to Message 1884564.  

I don't know why anyone would use the repository version of BOINC when TBar has so kindly given us two All-In-One Home folder installations that couldn't be easier. You have a choice of the most recent 7.8.0 version or a tried and true 7.2.47 version with all the bugs removed.
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