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Message 1843293 - Posted: 20 Jan 2017, 21:22:26 UTC
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I'll hold my hand up if I'm wrong., imho I doubt there will be that much of a change to society.

The rich will get richer & the poor poorer.
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Message 1843297 - Posted: 20 Jan 2017, 21:39:26 UTC - in response to Message 1843267.  


I know that many people died of the Spanish flu during the WWI.
Three to five percent of the world's population died.
Even in my country that was not even engaged in the war.
Are flu somehow connected to wars/misery?
I think it is.
We will see many cases of diseases in Eastern Ukraine if not respecting the Minsk agreement by both parts.


Well, to use a metaphor from Christian scripture...

The 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse.

1. War
2. Famine
3. Pestilence
4. Death

War leads to Famine and Pestilence... And all 3 lead to Death.

The civil disruption from war frequently leads to famine as fields are not tended, not to mention the fields being direct targets frequently by the enemy.

Pestilence follows as people are weakened by starvation, not to mention the breakdowns in the infrastructure due to the fighting.

War, Famine, and Pestilence... all three lead to Death (and suffering).

So you are correct in this point (at least, in my opinion).
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
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Message 1843300 - Posted: 20 Jan 2017, 22:01:19 UTC - in response to Message 1843273.  
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And so we see the TRUE COLORS of those who espouse 'criticism of our Government' on the streets of our Capitol.

Ex, why don't you join them? Throw a few rocks, break some windows, destroy property that doesn't belong to you. No, you will call the Police, the National Guard thugs for defending the peaceful transition.

There are 68 congress people (neither of which words deserve capitalization in this context} who have played into the hands of Putin and others who wish to divide America further. They will be replaced in time. The idiot Dimocrats are sewing the seeds of their own demise. I gleefully watch it happen. Dr King would be ashamed of John Lewis.

Go ahead, riot, we have a couple of places for those who do, Super Max and Guantanamo.

The People have spoken and they will continue to speak and no longer be ignored.


I criticize my Government at the ballot box and on the soapbox. I do not (yet -- I have not been pushed that far -- yet) go around being violent and destructive to those I consider to be the 'opposition'.

And Dr. King... From what I remember of him and his message before his assassination, I don't think he would look at what is going on with very much approval... Even what is done in his name by his former associates and supporters. Dr. King wanted to bring us forward and together to be one people... Not to further divide us like most of the civil rights leadership does today.

Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King wrote:


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But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. They have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.

...

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today.

...

And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God’s children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, “Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!”


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/17/i-have-a-dream-speech-text_n_809993.html
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

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Message 1843354 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 0:36:49 UTC

The sparring begins ahead of the main bout in March

"The voice of business must drown out that of the bitter politics of the EU project."
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Message 1843355 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 0:38:23 UTC

And Dr. King... From what I remember of him and his message before his assassination, I don't think he would look at what is going on with very much approval... Even what is done in his name by his former associates and supporters. Dr. King wanted to bring us forward and together to be one people... Not to further divide us like most of the civil rights leadership does today.
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Division and violence was antithetical to everything Dr King believed and worked for.

Criticism of the Government is a basic right of Freedom. Doing it through violent insurrection is not. Those that are unhappy with the choice made by the States in November should work through the system to change the outcome in the next election. No matter what the opinion of Donald J Trump as a person, the Office of President deserves respect as does the tradition of a peaceful transition of power. The alternative is chaos as we see elsewhere in the World(Ghana?). Disrespect of the transition by boycott is divisive and also disrespects the system this county was founded upon.

Even Hiliary had the GUTS to show up, unlike her fellow Dimocratic congress people who chose to thumb their noses and call a legally elected President illegitimate. If Russia did try to interfere with the election their goal was sewing doubt as to the veracity of the American system, a ploy which 68 irresponsible persons swallowed, Hook, Line and Sinker. (I found it interesting, but not surprising, that the majority of those persons represent California, or La La Land).

I respected the Office but not the empty suit that occupied it for the last 8 years. But I gave him a chance before criticizing. I supported Obama(I did not vote for him), and his hope and change, until the lies started. I will support Trump, but not unconditionally. If he is true to his word and works for all the people to bring them together in peace and prosperity. If he is not true to his word I will be as critical as anyone. A man is his word.

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Message 1843379 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 1:36:44 UTC - in response to Message 1843355.  
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Trump, but not unconditionally. If he is true to his word and works for all the people to bring them together in peace and prosperity. If he is not true to his word I will be as critical as anyone. A man is his word.

Eye that is true and Trump's record of not honoring his business contracts is well documented. so far the man has not shown integrity. This is his chance to redeem himself. I hope he does but I am skeptical.
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Message 1843405 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 3:41:54 UTC - in response to Message 1843266.  

That's the most un-American statement I've heard in quite some time. To hold your government accountable is to be a patriot. And to disregard your government's mistakes is to be ignorant.

Why start now?

Because I had no real complaints for the last 6-8 years.
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Message 1843406 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 3:45:06 UTC - in response to Message 1843273.  

And so we see the TRUE COLORS of those who espouse 'criticism of our Government' on the streets of our Capitol.

Ex, why don't you join them? Throw a few rocks, break some windows, destroy property that doesn't belong to you. No, you will call the Police, the National Guard thugs for defending the peaceful transition.

There are 68 congress people (neither of which words deserve capitalization in this context} who have played into the hands of Putin and others who wish to divide America further. They will be replaced in time. The idiot Dimocrats are sewing the seeds of their own demise. I gleefully watch it happen. Dr King would be ashamed of John Lewis.

Go ahead, riot, we have a couple of places for those who do, Super Max and Guantanamo.

The People have spoken and they will continue to speak and no longer be ignored.

Yes, because some idiots chose to riot, that means I like riots and destruction too. Yep ALL liberals do!
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Message 1843407 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 3:48:08 UTC - in response to Message 1843293.  

I'll hold my hand up if I'm wrong., imho I doubt there will be that much of a change to society.

The rich will get richer & the poor poorer.

YEP!

Starting with: Given a chance to save poor people over 40$ per month on their FHA mortgages, the new POTUS and cronies said 'no way!'

This is how we're going to look out for 'all' Americans.
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Message 1843417 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 4:36:18 UTC

There's an old saying here in the Wild West: "You'd bitch if you were hung with a new Rope".

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Message 1843420 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 4:37:39 UTC

There's an old saying here in the Wild West: "You'd bitch if you were hung with a new Rope".

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Message 1843421 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 4:39:07 UTC

There's an old saying here in the Wild West: "You'd bitch if you were hung with a new Rope".

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Message 1843423 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 4:42:24 UTC - in response to Message 1843421.  

There's an old saying here in the Wild West: "You'd bitch if you were hung with a new Rope".

Eye you posted this 4 times, what's your point, are you having problems with meds?
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Message 1843425 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 4:52:11 UTC

The post button seemed stuck..........sorry, but here's a good one..........



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Message 1843430 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 5:15:14 UTC - in response to Message 1843423.  

There's an old saying here in the Wild West: "You'd bitch if you were hung with a new Rope".

Eye you posted this 4 times, what's your point, are you having problems with meds?

You would think someone would be reading and have hit a red-X, but maybe everyone has him blocked?
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Message 1843431 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 5:18:20 UTC - in response to Message 1843243.  

What about all the pain/suffering/death that's caused by things not called "war"...

Terrorism, imperialism, genocide, hostile takeovers, hunger, poverty, lack of health care, interference in other's governments leading to economic collapse (the US likes to do this), etc etc etc.
If you believe the US is so evil..................move. Goodbye. So Long. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Oh, the childish, stick fingers in ears and loudly say "la la la" reaction is now an acceptable response to criticism? And this from the person that wanted to engage in dialogue?

Brilliant.

As Dr. Martin Luther King Jr seems to be popular to reference in this thread:

‘Of all the forms of inequality, injustice in health care is the most shocking and inhumane.’

Is as true today as it was when he said it over 50 years ago.

I suspect if he were alive today, he would be on the side of Black Lives Matter,, they did when he was saying it, and they still do today.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1843433 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 5:44:43 UTC



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Message 1843514 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 14:51:21 UTC - in response to Message 1843431.  

What about all the pain/suffering/death that's caused by things not called "war"...

Terrorism, imperialism, genocide, hostile takeovers, hunger, poverty, lack of health care, interference in other's governments leading to economic collapse (the US likes to do this), etc etc etc.
If you believe the US is so evil..................move. Goodbye. So Long. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Oh, the childish, stick fingers in ears and loudly say "la la la" reaction is now an acceptable response to criticism? And this from the person that wanted to engage in dialogue?

Brilliant.

As Dr. Martin Luther King Jr seems to be popular to reference in this thread:

‘Of all the forms of inequality, injustice in health care is the most shocking and inhumane.’

Is as true today as it was when he said it over 50 years ago.

I suspect if he were alive today, he would be on the side of Black Lives Matter,, they did when he was saying it, and they still do today.

Dr. King did resoundingly condemn police brutality. But he ALSO condemned violence in attaining equality for the blacks.

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...

But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. They have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.

As we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, “When will you be satisfied?” We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied, as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro’s basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their selfhood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating “For Whites Only”. We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.

...



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/17/i-have-a-dream-speech-text_n_809993.html

Yes, he did condemn the racist injustices and police brutality that the black people were suffering.

But he did condemn using violence and destruction in the struggle to end the injustice and police brutality that the blacks were suffering.

While he might be in favor of the stated goal of BLM to end the police brutality against blacks, he certainly would not be in favor of the violence the BLM movement has engendered.

He looked forward to the day when we would all be united as one people... And the methods of BLM just serve to divide us further.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Message 1843558 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 18:32:04 UTC

With the many protests worldwide against Trump (which I find hilarious as the man has only been in power for 24 hours). the Liberals & Socialists are too focused with their own personal agendas that they are blind to what is staring them in the face.

A well written & interesting report that is worth reading:

Assault on Europe Part 1: Donald Trump and the New World Order

Assault on Europe Part 2: Europe's Last Toast?
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Message 1843577 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 19:08:21 UTC - in response to Message 1843558.  
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With the many protests worldwide against Trump (which I find hilarious as the man has only been in power for 24 hours). the Liberals & Socialists are too focused with their own personal agendas that they are blind to what is staring them in the face.

A well written & interesting report that is worth reading:

Assault on Europe Part 1: Donald Trump and the New World Order

Assault on Europe Part 2: Europe's Last Toast?

I take offense to that statement Sirius. I for one have been saying all along that we will see worldwide turmoil as a result of the incoming POTUS and his affiliations. I certainly am not only focused on my own agenda, rather I've been trying to point out the ugly agendas that could stem from this administration.
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