All this drivel and I support the electoral college process

What does it matter if they don't vote? Popular vote doesn't matter. Popular vote doesn't elect our Commander in Chief

The two posts seem to be contradictory.......as previously pointed out...

if the POPULAR VOTE in a STATE is for a candidate then THAT STATE votes to ELECT THE PRESIDENT.

No it doesn't. The popular vote selects electors to the electoral college. They can and frequently do as they damn well please.
https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19

And if they choose to do that, what then? What will that do to democracy and what sort of precident will that set?

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OR perhaps I just see what a terrible danger Trump is?

Yeah but let's all be honest. That's hardly a challenge is it?

I seriously doubt there are any Trump dangers you could alert me to that I haven't seen coming a mile away. Yeah, I know that sounds a bit pompous but I really mean it.

However, it takes a lot of effort to come to the understanding that a Hillary vote would be almost as dangerous (albeit for a whole different set of reasons).

Ironically - and you would be right to call me sexist for getting this wrong - it was the WOMEN of America who flipped Hillary the bird.

I underestimated them and I shouldn't have. Shame on me. Seriously.

Hillary is cast in exactly the same mold as crazy f'ers like Cheney, Rumsfeld and - dare I say - Kissinger.

Same, same but different.

All this drivel and I support the electoral college process

What does it matter if they don't vote? Popular vote doesn't matter. Popular vote doesn't elect our Commander in Chief

The two posts seem to be contradictory.......as previously pointed out...

if the POPULAR VOTE in a STATE is for a candidate then THAT STATE votes to ELECT THE PRESIDENT.

No it doesn't. The popular vote selects electors to the electoral college. They can and frequently do as they damn well please.
https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19

I don't believe they would dare to try to overturn the election results.
I would believe Clinton and her cronies are trying to rig things behind the scenes.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

And if they choose to do that, what then? What will that do to democracy and what sort of precident will that set?

The USA is a republic, not a democracy. It will remind you of the important difference.

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I'm with kittyman.

They'd start the biggest & bloodiest riots in American history if they were actually dumb enough to go down that road.

All this drivel and I support the electoral college process

What does it matter if they don't vote? Popular vote doesn't matter. Popular vote doesn't elect our Commander in Chief

The two posts seem to be contradictory.......as previously pointed out...

if the POPULAR VOTE in a STATE is for a candidate then THAT STATE votes to ELECT THE PRESIDENT.

You forget about faithless electors. People who don't vote still have a right to have their voice heard as codified in the Bill of Rights.

I'm with kittyman.

They'd start the biggest & bloodiest riots in American history if they were actually dumb enough to go down that road.

I would not want to be anywhere near Washington if that went down.
Can you say "march on the capitol"?

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Can you say "march on the capitol"?

Can you say "Ted Nugent rebel WITH a cause"?

I really, REALLY... I don't even want to imagine it!

:D

Can you say "march on the capitol"?

Can you say "Ted Nugent rebel WITH a cause"?

I really, REALLY... I don't even want to imagine it!

:D

LOL....I can see it now......................................

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

You forget about faithless electors. People who don't vote still have a right to have their voice heard as codified in the Bill of Rights.

And what exactly would that 'voice' be if not a vote? Armed insurrection? Or just riots and business burning? The voice 'codified in the Bill of Rights' in relation to choosing the Government is their vote.

No it doesn't. The popular vote selects electors to the electoral college. They can and frequently do as they damn well please.
https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19

And the source here, 'Change.org' would seem to indicate a push to disenfranchise those who directed their college electors to vote for Trump.

Yes that would trigger MAJOR disturbances. I think riots would be the least of the problem. The red on that Elector Map contains a lot of American resources, Agriculture, Oil, Transportation Hubs, Power Generation, Water, Natural Gas. So what would be the effect if enough workers, already fed up with the 'rigged system' are deprived of the leader they voted for? What if they decided to literally 'turn off the water', along with the lights, gas, food, and all the Pilots and Truck Drivers and Freight Engineers decided we're not working til our vote is restored?

Very dangerous for (pocket)Change.org to even suggest.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

You forget about faithless electors. People who don't vote still have a right to have their voice heard as codified in the Bill of Rights.

And what exactly would that 'voice' be if not a vote? Armed insurrection? Or just riots and business burning? The voice 'codified in the Bill of Rights' in relation to choosing the Government is their vote.

Is being verbal not a voice as well?

Is being verbal not a voice as well?

I think the winners are being very protective of the dissenters Freedom of Speech as long as it's non-destructive or doesn't interfere with the lives of innocents. It's just not very productive.

Change the system or get enough support for your candidate State by State, you know the way a REAL politician does it, Obama is a prime example. Hiliary had too much baggage to 'carry on'.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

I'm with kittyman.

They'd start the biggest & bloodiest riots in American history if they were actually dumb enough to go down that road.

So both of you are saying Trump supporters are bigger thugs than Hillary supporters who haven't exactly done bloody riots even though she got more votes.

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Gary, your straw men get very tedious.......

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Gary, your straw men get very tedious.......

You frequently talk about a "they" but don't define it.

Is the "they" you speak of the electors? Is it the Clinton machine? Someone else?

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I'm with kittyman.

They'd start the biggest & bloodiest riots in American history if they were actually dumb enough to go down that road.

So both of you are saying Trump supporters are bigger thugs than Hillary supporters who haven't exactly done bloody riots even though she got more votes.

Exactly the opposite.
Trump's supporters tend to be employed, tax paying, good citizens.
Hillary's supporters tend to be unemployed, welfare grabbing, deadbeats who have the time to go out and riot. So, they go out and destroy more of what they do not already have. They are upset because their meal ticket has been punched out and they might actually have to go out and find a job.

But if it came to blows, we can and shall defend our new president elect.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Is being verbal not a voice as well?

I think the winners are being very protective of the dissenters Freedom of Speech as long as it's non-destructive or doesn't interfere with the lives of innocents. It's just not very productive.

We weren't discussing rioters. We were discussing one's right to complain even if they don't vote.

Change the system or get enough support for your candidate State by State, you know the way a REAL politician does it, Obama is a prime example. Hiliary had too much baggage to 'carry on'.

The system doesn't need changing. The Dems needed a better candidate. I still say Trump wasn't the right answer, but unlike #notmypresident (or the birthers on the other side), I accept the results and I don't see any reason to protest.

The system doesn't need changing. The Dems needed a better candidate. I still say Trump wasn't the right answer, but unlike #notmypresident (or the birthers on the other side), I accept the results and I don't see any reason to protest.

And that is an intelligent and productive use of your motivation. I too feel the system is fine, even when I didn't get the results I wanted in the last two Presidential Elections. The small victories of the mid-terms were what kept me motivated,

@ Gary, the 'they' I refer to could be ascertained by including the context in which it was used. Not a hard task.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Is being verbal not a voice as well?

I think the winners are being very protective of the dissenters Freedom of Speech as long as it's non-destructive or doesn't interfere with the lives of innocents. It's just not very productive.

We weren't discussing rioters. We were discussing one's right to complain even if they don't vote.

And The Right to call them names, or describe them as we wish?

That is also a Right. Which the Demonstrator's and their supporter's appear to deny.

Why?

Sure, everyone has a right to call them names or describe them as they wish. Good manners dictate you don't do so. A smart lady recently said, "When they go low, we go high." Take the high road. If you don't like their opinion, calling them names and describing them as you wish (usually in negative terms) isn't going to help one iota. To paraphrase JaundicedEye, that's not a productive use of your time.

Is being verbal not a voice as well?

I think the winners are being very protective of the dissenters Freedom of Speech as long as it's non-destructive or doesn't interfere with the lives of innocents. It's just not very productive.

We weren't discussing rioters. We were discussing one's right to complain even if they don't vote.

And The Right to call them names, or describe them as we wish?

That is also a Right. Which the Demonstrator's and their supporter's appear to deny.

Why?

Sure, everyone has a right to call them names or describe them as they wish. Good manners dictate you don't do so. A smart lady recently said, "When they go low, we go high." Take the high road. If you don't like their opinion, calling them names and describing them as you wish (usually in negative terms) isn't going to help one iota. To paraphrase JaundicedEye, that's not a productive use of your time.

Good manners apply to both sides.

Unless one expects better from Trump Supporters than Hillary Supporters.

Of course good manners apply to both sides. Is that response a way to excuse your own behavior toward them?