No, cost of mitigation comes under the solution side of the job.
Risk identification does not look at the cost of the potential solutions. Risk identification just asks the questions "Does the event present a risk? and what is the level of that risk?" Some other poor soul has the job of working out the best solution considering cost of implementation.....

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

Agree 100% again. And also fast disappearing from many countries, particularly America with electing Trump. As I have often said, it doesn't take much these days to rise above the average oik in the street.

Think everyone can guess My feelings towards Donald J Trump and 4t that a long time before he even stood for election ( let alone win ) , ( Sir Alan Lord Suger is loads better on the " Apprentice " anyho least he says " you're talkin boll#x , you're fired ;-) ) But do sort of remember people saying the same about " Ronny Raygun " when he became President and he got a lot done ( nuke reductions etc ) but that was " a different time " even if it's not that long ago . . one thing about Mr Trump i do like is he ain't a "carrier politition" even tho he's a complete a - wipe in my eyes .

£28 first class return sounds excellent value to me, but I assume that is an advance ticket?

Yea that's in advance think she's going to my " godparents" 50th wedding ani in May but still cheeper than she was expecting , stupid to think you get a good deal " on the day " ( we ain't that stupid in the "sticks ;-) " )

The perennial problem is that 21C technology needs less and less people. The only way Unions survive is by numbers of members. If the industry that they represent is downsizing or adapting to modern life, then they either keep pace with it or wither away.

In simple terms you're saying " they don't want to adapt to the changing times " well suck it up buttercup " coz times they are a changin "
Rather be living in the " now" than the 19th century industrial revolution and times before thanks . Tech is nutral it's the people who decide what use it is but ain't any need to be a " ludite" like the unions are . The Unions all over the world are " making a mess in their suits" coz they are going to be out of a job and they is unemployable ;-)

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Life is what you make of it :-)

When i'm good i'm very good , but when i'm bad i'm shi#eloads better ;-) In't I " buttercups " p.m.s.l at authoritie !!;-)

No, cost of mitigation comes under the solution side of the job.
Risk identification does not look at the cost of the potential solutions. Risk identification just asks the questions "Does the event present a risk? and what is the level of that risk?" Some other poor soul has the job of working out the best solution considering cost of implementation.....

"How are we going to stop bus" is mitigation, cost comes along for the ride once you talk mitigation.

Your example was all about making it obvious that the cost of stopping the bus was crazy compared to the risk. Why everyone laughed.

Frankly, when you consider quantum mechanical risks there are essentially an infinite number of such risks and given enough time all become certain to occur. One frequently used example is that all the oxygen atoms in the air will be on the other side of the room. (Heisenberg uncertainty principal)

There are two kinds of risks:
There are risks you can attempt to mitigate
There are risks that there is no way to mitigate

Of the risks you can mitigate the cost to mitigate is either stupid or acceptable.

Stupid cost is cost of mitigation that is more than the cost of the event happening.
Acceptable cost is cost of mitigation that is less than the cost of the event happening.


Of course there is risk of mitigation, but that becomes an infinite loop.


BTW oxygen on the other side of the room is a different risk than confined space entry that there isn't any oxygen in the room. Toxic gas in the room is yet another different risk.

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In any case we were discussing Health & Safety practices in the workplace, where cost is not the over-riding factor. If a current method of working is considered to be dangerous or unsafe, then that either has to be modified, another alternative method found, or stopped.

So just how many paper cut reduction plans have you written and implemented? Don't try and tell me that paper cuts don't happen in the workplace either, so the "current method of working is considered to be dangerous or unsafe, then that either has to be modified, another alternative method found, or stopped." Cost is always the overriding factor. Or a few bandages is far less expensive than Kevlar gloves for every employee who touches paper.

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Cost is always the overriding factor. Or a few bandages is far less expensive than Kevlar gloves for every employee who touches paper.

That's takiing it to the "exremes" in't it can you see that situation arising in any workplace ? maybe it's possible in the States ( with your suing " culture" ) but in the UK i'd like to think that common sence would play a part , even if it's " very small " .
I've got very little time for H&S / risk assesment but i've got 20+ years of welding and like to think i know what i'm doing without having to be told " by " pen pushers" or reading a piece of paper etc . ( but then w / shop staff are looked "down on" by the " shirts and tie's " who ain't got a clue " how to do the job emselfs ;- )

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Life is what you make of it :-)

When i'm good i'm very good , but when i'm bad i'm shi#eloads better ;-) In't I " buttercups " p.m.s.l at authoritie !!;-)

Gary is of course just being theatrical

Just showing you how silly your own words are about worker protection and it ALWAYS requires protection.

Now on this side of the pond OSHA may very well require classes on the prevention of paper cuts, but they are government inspectors with big fine citation books who must follow the letter of the law no matter how silly or stupid.

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It's Nowruz:)
At last.

iPhone Shocker (2016 Darwin Award Winner)

(11 December 2016, England) Drop an iPhone into your bath water, no biggie, all you get is a nasty repair bill. But drop a charging iPhone into your bath...and suddenly coroners are demanding warning labels. It is with chagrin that this writer, known to bathe while poking at a laptop keyboard, shares news of the explicable demise of Richard Bull and his iPhone.
Mr. Bull is believed to have plugged his charger into an extension cord and rested it on his chest, while using the phone in the tub in his West London home. "iWash I hadn't done that!"

Those of us who plug into plugged-in electronics must heed the coroner's warning and take a breather in the loo. Electricity and water are a sparky mix, a fact known to all, yet the doctor who conducted the iNquest plans to send a stern note to Apple, perhaps thinking that one more warning label will solve the problem.

"iWash I hadn't done that!" -Paul Seymour
"No Bull" -wR

SIDEBAR: "You're vulnerable in the bathroom." A laptop or mobile phone typically has a low voltage of 5V to 20V so you will not feel anything if it falls into your bath... as long as it is not charging. If it is charging, you are at the mercy of the transformer and its breaker fuse.

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Hmmm.
I was supposed to have a doctor's appointment for a routine physical in a few weeks.
Got a letter telling my I had to reschedule because..............
My doctor is sick and they do not know how long she is going to be out.
I guess doctors are human too.
Hope she shall be OK because I felt very comfortable with her over the years.
Get well soon, doc.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Only in America... Female Waffle House Coworkers BRAWL Over Dirty Dishes

Two employees at the Waffle House in Auburn, Ala., got into a all-out fight Sunday, allegedly over dirty dishes.

“(It) all happened so fast,” Robert Payne, a customer who witnessed the fight and captured the video on his cell phone, told news website AL.com.

Payne said the argument started when one woman asked the other to move so she could scrub caked syrup off customers’ dirty plates. The brawl turns into punches, thrown dishes and a lot of hair-pulling. Eventually, one woman gets the upper hand as the pair grapples on the floor.

“Oh, I can let her go,” one of the women said after she pinned her rival. “But if I let her go, she swipes on me, she’s gonna die,” the woman said.

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Mark, is there not going to be a locum to cover for her?

Well, I called today and her appointments are being covered by the other physicians on staff at the Theda Care clinic I visit.
I was actually able to reschedule on the same day and time I had already set up.
I offered to wait until my doctor was back on her feet, but they said they had no idea how long that would be right now, and it was the doctor's wishes that her patients should not put off their care because she was ill.
So, I shall have my routine physical done by another doctor.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

My doctor called me with a computer problem she wanted me to look at. It was just a problem with her network connection. I told her to take 2 aspirin and try again in the morning. She almost lost it.

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Carlos... Like the old saying "Laughter is the best medicine".

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Carlos... Like the old saying "Laughter is the best medicine".

Must be why I am so healthy.

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Carlos... Like the old saying "Laughter is the best medicine".

It's also contagious:)

From the New York (com)Post paper...
Astronaut who walked on moon says he knows the truth about aliens

He was an astronaut on the second manned mission to the moon and the fourth man to walk on its surface.

Alan Bean, 85, is one of only 12 people to have taken “one small step for man and one giant leap for mankind” on the moon.

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His experiences in space have led Bean to develop some interesting theories about the possibility of alien life.

“I do not believe that anyone from outer space has ever visited the Earth,” Bean told news.com.au from his home in Houston, Texas.

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Scraping By On $500,000 A Year: Why It’s So Hard For High Income Earners To Escape The Rat Race

I’ve highlighted in a previous article how living off $200,000 a year in an expensive city is really just an average lifestyle. In this article, I’ll discuss how one couple is living paycheck to paycheck while making a combined $500,000 a year. They are a real couple who shared with me their financial details to anonymously share with you. Judging others, after all, is an American pastime!

$500,000 INCOME ANALYSIS

Largest Expenses:
Taxes ($185,600, ~40% effective tax rate)
Mortgage ($60,000)
Childcare ($42,000)
Student Loans ($32,000)

Debatable Expenses:

Food For Four ($23,000)
Car Payments ($9,600)
Three Vacations A Year ($18,000)
Charity And Alumni Giving ($18,000)
Children’s Lessons ($12,000)
Miscellaneous ($10,000)

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Either there's some numbers missing or they're a sad couple of jerks. After all those expenses they still have $89,800 which comes to $7,483.33 a month. Cut out the charity expense & that jumps to $9483.33 a month.

Living paycheck to paycheck? Yeah right!

Read Thorstein Veblen, An American/Norwegian economist who came out with the theory of conspicuous consumption, those people are a classic case study.

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Ah, another name for "Social Status". Think there's quite a few of them on this project, maybe it should be renamed "Seti Consumption"

Thanks for the ref, grabbed a copy from one of your uni's.