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Walter Kraslawsky Send message Joined: 6 Jun 02 Posts: 8 Credit: 1,024,102 RAC: 0 |
Hi All. I am an old contributor with multi-year gaps, and request help connecting stats from an old account with new stats now accumulating in a new account. The problem is that I could not remember the password for my old account at walterkras@hawaii.rr.com. I clicked on the Forgot Password link, hoping I could get a reset with some secret Q&A, but it only sent a password reset email to an address I can't access anymore. I left Hawaii in 2008. Today I created a new account with my current email address, walterkras@cfl.rr.com, started running Seti@Home, and then remembered I had founded a team named "Galactic Patrol" back in 2006. That let me look up stats from my old account. (I could then also look up old posts showing I had already lost my classic stats.) If any administrator follows these links, you will see what I am trying to reconnect to: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/team_display.php?teamid=126077 https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=8411114 Thanks in advance for any help, preferably merging the old credits into my current account. Alternatively, if I can get a password reset on the old Hawaii account, I am willing to sacrifice the few credits I am earning today. Regards, Walter Kraslawsky |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22158 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
It sounds as if you have created your new account using a different one used on your old account. There is no way to merge the two accounts. But if you can remember your old email address and password you can re-activate the old account. I think if you try to sign in and can't remember your password you can request a change, however that sends an email to your old address, for which you haven't got the details :-( Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Walter Kraslawsky Send message Joined: 6 Jun 02 Posts: 8 Credit: 1,024,102 RAC: 0 |
It sounds as if you have created your new account using a different one used on your old account. There is no way to merge the two accounts. uh ... yes, that is exactly what I said above. Any administrator willing and able to reset the old account password for me can send a test email to my old account to confirm they get an "Undeliverable" reply to show I am not trying to hack into someone else's account. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22158 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
A policy was put in place a few years back after an unfortunate hijacking of a dormant account so it is highly unlikely that they will do this for you. The actual response from a re-set is automated, and from a "no-reply" address. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0 |
Why you revealed your email addresses in Open forum?: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=69103#1273877 It doesn't matter at all if you "can't access anymore" your old email address, nor if that email existed at all. (e.g. I have secondary "fake" test account with email address of the form 12345@777.999 and it is accepted by this site as login) The only thing that matters is: was the old account here "SETI@home Classic" account or was it used for BOINC? If the old account is "SETI@home Classic" - go to this link and just paste your old email address (this will merge it to your current account - make sure you are logged in your current account while clicking the link): http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_classic_link.php (You don't need any password for this to work) But - Read the text at bottom after: This will not work if: ... If the old SETI@home account is BOINC account you can: - remember/try passwords for the old SETI@home BOINC account (and use "your old email" string + the remembered SETI@home password (no need for email password)) - find your old computer/HDD which had BOINC installation - there is file in it account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml which have <authenticator> inside. "Log in with authenticator": https://setiathome.berkeley.edu//get_passwd.php P.S. I only now noticed you give some links but since they are not clickable I didn't see them: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=8411114 This is BOINC account (so first method for "SETI@home Classic" will not work for it) Find one of the old computers (to retrieve <authenticator>): https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?sort=rpc_time&rev=0&show_all=1&userid=8411114 ... or remember/try passwords for the old SETI@home BOINC account. P.P.S. It seems from your old posts that you have even older email So: - first try to recover your older (userid=8411114) SETI@home BOINC account (by above means) - then, while you are logged in that older SETI@home BOINC account (which have more credits), visit the link for "SETI@home Classic" and paste your oldest email (@comcast) Â Â - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :) Â |
BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0 |
Your current account (userid=10365107) is gaining Credit very fast, in a few days it will have more credits than your older SETI@home/BOINC account (userid=8411114) So the only thing needed to merge the oldest SETI@home Classic account to your current account is to click: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_classic_link.php ... and paste your oldest email (@comcast) (you can just try any of your oldest emails if you are not sure which one was used) This will give you: - You original "Joined" date - List of # and CPU time of SETI@home classic workunits in your account Like in this account (rob smith): http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=226846 SETI@home member since 7 Mar 2003 (BOINC was introduced in 2005) SETI@home classic workunits 4,653 SETI@home classic CPU time 30,622 hours (This will not work if somebody already stolen your SETI@home Classic account since you posted the email in the forum In this case there will be message similar to: "Some other SETI@home/BOINC account is already connected to the Classic account" ) Â - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :) Â |
Walter Kraslawsky Send message Joined: 6 Jun 02 Posts: 8 Credit: 1,024,102 RAC: 0 |
Thanks, BilBg The link you recommended that I use to merge didn't work for my classic Comcast account because it was already connected to my Hawaii account back in 2006. I also tried it for my Hawaii account, hoping for a merge, but it just said that account is active. This is what I have for the classic Comcast hours from 2002: User ID 1208361 SETI@home member since 6 Jun 2002 SETI@home classic workunits 51 SETI@home classic CPU time 2,554 hours This is what I have for Hawaii from 2006: User ID 8411114 SETI@home member since 20 May 2006 Total credit 45,494 (I wonder if this includes previously merged classic credit.) This is what I earned this week on my new CFL account: User ID 10365107 SETI@home member since 30 Aug 2016 Total credit 47,376 Recent average credit 3,894.64 But more important than just the SETI credits, that old Hawaii account had multiple projects: malariacontrol.net 39,324 0 13 Jul 2006 Rosetta@home 41,392 0 19 May 2006 LHC@home 3,851 0 20 May 2006 Einstein@Home 84,103 0 11 Feb 2005 SETI@home 45,493 0 20 May 2006 I am holding off joining the other projects with past credit, hoping I can remember that old Hawaii password. Regards, Walter |
BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0 |
This is what I have for the classic Comcast hours from 2002: This looks like classic account never used for BOINC ("Total credit 0" and no computers ever in BOINC list) https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=1208361 https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?sort=rpc_time&rev=0&show_all=1&userid=1208361 This is what I have for Hawaii from 2006: This is BOINC account never connected to classic ("member since 20 May 2006" - classic didn't existed in 2006, and no mention of "SETI@home classic workunits" # - and no, that # is never converted to credit) https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=8411114 If "User ID 8411114" was "already connected" to "User ID 1208361": - Both 8411114 and 1208361 will have date 6 Jun 2002 - the list of "SETI@home classic workunits" will be removed from 1208361 and added to 8411114 So it is not possible that "User ID 8411114" is "already connected" to "User ID 1208361" Try again: You have to be logged in your current account (User ID 10365107) while clicking the link: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_classic_link.php Paste the email used for User ID 1208361 If this works - it can't be reversed! (i.e. you can't "unmerge" and try again from (while logged in) User ID 8411114) If there is error message - Copy/Paste it here (removing/changing the exact email for the post) (the error message can't say anything like "Hawaii account") ... hoping I can remember that old Hawaii password I hope you already understand: that "password" you need is the password for User ID 8411114, not the password for the email site (SETI@home server don't check if the email box/account exists) Can you find/resurrect some of these old computers?: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?sort=rpc_time&rev=0&show_all=1&userid=8411114 ... Every project have its own server and its own accounts. You obviously used the same email for all these projects (the same as email used for SETI@home User ID 8411114) but the passwords for every project may be different. It is not possible to connect/merge User ID 8411114 with your current User ID 10365107 because both are BOINC accounts. In any case you have to choose one of them and abandon (not use) the other. Â - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :) Â |
Walter Kraslawsky Send message Joined: 6 Jun 02 Posts: 8 Credit: 1,024,102 RAC: 0 |
... Thanks for continuing to work with me on this. Yes, I understand the difference between the password accessing my ISP email vs. the hundreds of different passwords used to access hundreds of accounts that used that email addresses as an identifier. No, I tried to find the BOINC xml files on my oldest computers but was unsuccessful. Although I actually have two old laptops that I owned in 2006, neither was used for BOINC. All the old computers identified in the BOINC stats were desktops from home and work that were subsequently disposed of.
Okay, let me see if I understand this last point. If I finally remember my password for the Rosetta@home project where I have stats associated with my old BOINC account, if I earn a few more credits on my new computer, then change the Hawaii email address on that project to my current CFL email address and then accumulate more new credits for Rosetta on the same computer, it won't link Rosetta to my current BOINC account where I have been earning current SETI credits? I could have sworn that I read in some post about having a common computer with multiple projects and/or emails will do some kind of linking. |
BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0 |
It is not possible to connect/merge User ID 8411114 with your current User ID 10365107 because both are BOINC accounts. Very good explanation :) If you do all that - "it" will "link" the old Rosetta account to your current SETI@home account (meaning: in "Your account" here you will see at bottom (after a few days) the old Rosetta account) Also it will sum in your "BOINC combined" credit: http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/4258798/projectList "It is not possible to connect/merge User ID 8411114 with your current User ID 10365107" means: not possible to merge 2 accounts on the same project (people usually ask this because they want somehow to add the credits from 2 accounts on the same project but it is not possible) The SETI@home classic is exception and is not really "merge", only transfer of date and separate list of "SETI@home classic workunits". I could have sworn that I read in some post about having a common computer with multiple projects and/or emails will do some kind of linking. Yes, if you use the same email on all projects. That is why I say: "You obviously used the same email for all these projects" The email is used in a hash formula (MD5 ?) to create your "BOINC Cross Project IDentifier" (which is not secret, i.e. is not password) http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/4258798/overview The same email on another project will generate the same CPID so will "link" your accounts from those projects: http://boincstats.com/en/stats/0/user/detail/10365107 http://boincstats.com/en/stats/152/user/detail/139239 http://boincstats.com/en/stats/49/user/detail/1442614 Â - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :) Â |
Walter Kraslawsky Send message Joined: 6 Jun 02 Posts: 8 Credit: 1,024,102 RAC: 0 |
Your current account (userid=10365107) is gaining Credit very fast, in a few days it will have more credits than your older SETI@home/BOINC account (userid=8411114) Making progress. When you told me my 2006 Hawaii account was not linked to the old 2002 classic SETI stats, I figured my prior attempt didn't have the correct old Comcast address. I looked up some old archived emails from 2002 and saw my error. This time it worked, so my new 2016 CFL account now shows I have been a SETI member since 6 Jun 2002 including those old 2002 credits. Whoopee! LOL. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Your current account (userid=10365107) is gaining Credit very fast, in a few days it will have more credits than your older SETI@home/BOINC account (userid=8411114) So that tells me your old account was never a BOINC-SETI account, but a SETI Classic account, since those are the only ones that can be merged with a BOINC-SETI account. That means this account was last used prior to the 2005 SETI Classic shutdown since all SETI Classic accounts were frozen, ready to be linked to a new BOINC-SETI account. And for clarity of anyone else reading this thread, you never needed to have your old password or log into the old account (indeed you can't because it is frozen). The process is to create a BOINC-SETI account and link it to your old SETI Classic, if you had one, via the email address that was used when you registered your SETI Classic account. This process is also explained on the front page where it links to instructions for SETI Classic users to follow. |
BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0 |
So that tells me your old account was never a BOINC-SETI account, but a SETI Classic account He have 2 old accounts - one SETI Classic 2002 and one BOINC-SETI 2006 (and current account created ~10 days ago which was 2016 and now 2002) This was clarified in this my post: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=80209&postid=1815148#1815148 The question was which of his BOINC-SETI accounts (2006 or 2016) to connect with the oldest SETI Classic 2002 He was trying to remember the password for the BOINC-SETI 2006 account. Since he fast get more credit on the newest 2016 account than had on 2006 account this doubt was easily resolved. Â - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :) Â |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
So that tells me your old account was never a BOINC-SETI account, but a SETI Classic account I'm aware of what transpired, but thanks for the recap. |
Walter Kraslawsky Send message Joined: 6 Jun 02 Posts: 8 Credit: 1,024,102 RAC: 0 |
Right. I earned 90K SETI credits in 10 days, twice what I earned in several months with my old computers. It would be even more, but I have had to throttle my late 2015 iMac27 at 25% to keep the heat down. |
BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0 |
I have had to throttle my late 2015 iMac27 at 25% to keep the heat down. Computing preferences The better option for this is "Use at most 25% of the CPUs" The other option "Use at most 25% of CPU time" will make the CPU load "bounce" as the tooltip say: "Suspend/resume computing every few seconds to reduce CPU temperature and energy usage. Example: 75% means compute for 3 seconds, wait for 1 second, and repeat." Â - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :) Â |
Walter Kraslawsky Send message Joined: 6 Jun 02 Posts: 8 Credit: 1,024,102 RAC: 0 |
I have had to throttle my late 2015 iMac27 at 25% to keep the heat down. Thanks for the suggestion, but I use TG Pro to watch what is going on. When I allow 25% of my cpus to run at 100%, all that did was bounce the cpus at random instead of in unison, without improving the net heat output. In fact most of the time TG Pro was reporting the fan running at a higher speed, which I suspect was due to the then-active cpu preventing the other three inactive adjacent cpus cooling as much as they would when all cooled in unison. Edit: An alternate theory is that task switching between cpus has more overhead than unison wait-resume cycling. |
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