I payed my fear shear for 24 years mate as I've earned more than most.

Well why didn't you say that?

Looks like you are just baiting us with your statements.

Americans pay into SS & Medicare all our working lives too. I paid into it what I get back much like you. Other receive and paid nothing into it. That's the rub.

BTW

What the hell is a fear shear? You a sheep barber?

and I an't your mate either I'm happily married thank you. Har! ;^)

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14 or more units.

If your using that many your gona die real quick from a heart attack . It's a steroid and makes your hart beat faster and there have been a few deaths from people not following the correct way to use them .

And man the times I've pulled someone up for misusing them , I often wonder why there are not more deaths .

So the correct way to use one is to take 1 beep a breath as you can from the inhaler then wait at least 2 mins for it to work then take a second deeper breath (witch you should be able to do after the first one) and then DO NOT USE IT again for AT LEAST 4hrs

if you need to use it more than 3 times a day you do need to see your doctor for a different type of puffer other wise you may die from a hart attack if you keep using them more than 3 times a day

You can use one 4 times a day but NEVER MORE THAN 4 times

So you can see each puffer has 200 doses so you should never be using any more than 1 per 2-3 months or a total of 6 per year other wise you may die if you do need it more see your doctor as you have uncontrolled ashma

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On the NHS the charge for one Ventolin Inhaler is the standard NHS prescription charge of £8.40. But if you require more than three in a 3 month period then the total charge is £30, if required for a year or more then the charge is £105/year for 14 or more units.

Generic inhalers can be bought for about £5.

For children up to leaving school age or people over 60 there is no NHS prescription charge.

http://www.healthcentre.org.uk/pharmacy/ventolin-inhaler-cost.html

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Kong i just looked at the inhalers i have , i have 2 at the moment 1 generic and the Band name version BOTH have a sticker on it saying CFC free and you getting charged $150 wow man

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well kong just send me a money order for $9.50 Us per unit, i'll keep the exchange rate difference a small fee heheheheheheh and i'll send you as many Inhalers as you need mate .

Or $7.50 for the generic brand (no difference I've used both )

Edit : i'll even throw in free postage (just worked out what $9.50 US is in ozzie dollars )

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generic ashma spay is $7.50 over the counter . Ventolin brand name $9.50 over the counter . Both can be got for $2.50 if you get your Doctors script i don't bother with the script and just buy over the counter as i can afford $9.50 once every 3 months or so .

The same medicine in your country is over $40 US that's close to $50 ozzie and to think it only cost the drug company's about $3 to make said medicine

US$40?!?!?

The cash co-payment on Proventil HFA is a bit over US$50... AFTER INSURANCE... per inhaler.... at WALMART pharmacy (one of the cheaper ones). I have seen the cash price elsewhere at over US$150 per inhaler.

It used to be cheaper, but they had to change propellants in it (environmental damage and all that with the old CFC propellants)... So the new (patented) 'HFA' units are mucho dinero.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Glenn,

You not paying one cent means the taxpayers are paying for it instead. NOTHING in life is FREE.

Read my other post i have paid more than my fear shear

You system is broke yes i agree but it's not only Doctors pay rates it's the drug company's that are really doing your system in .

You have no mechanism to challenge them like our P.B.S system does .

And you are hindered because of your Constitution so change it and recue it .

You can't blame Obama really he did what he could with what he could get away with a second class system and i bet he knows this but he at least has helped those that where not covered before

The current bunch of a/h are trying to stuff the P.B.S system up buy certifying to many new drugs and reducing the requirements .

Why is this happening and who is behind it .....the American drug company's and for the same reason American company's are trying to water down our consumer laws , they can't do there normal business of lieing and conning people to buy there products as the Shark swivel vacuum cleaner company found out when the ACCC took them to court over false and misleading advertising .

Won't work this mob wont win the next election as they still haven't learnt they only one by 1 seat and that was a warning to them however there to greedy to listen .

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I too am a 'Pensioner' and for my healthcare I pay US $144 per month plus whatever co-pays and deductibles apply. So if you are paying nothing, then as Barrack and Hiliary say "You're not paying your fair share!"

I payed my fear shear for 24 years mate as I've earned more than most.

And I chose to pay the Medicare Levy witch is higher than private when your on a higher income rate as you have to pay a extra 0.5% on top off the 1% if you earnt over a certain amount and i was in the higher bracket .

I'm just not a greedy F-er

Also now i get a Government benefit i don't pay much at all for health

Your system is corrupt and it rips you off

eg: generic ashma spay is $7.50 over the counter . Ventolin brand name $9.50 over the counter . Both can be got for $2.50 if you get your Doctors script i don't bother with the script and just buy over the counter as i can afford $9.50 once every 3 months or so .

The same medicine in your country is over $40 US that's close to $50 ozzie and to think it only cost the drug company's about $3 to make said medicine

So stop whining you get what you deserve

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I'm a pensioner and I don't pay 1 cent and yet I am covered.

Good job. Just stick it to the other guy. Har!

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The "effect" is that MY insurance rates are rising at a greater rate than would have been otherwise expected because of the types of patients newly insured

Well put, all of your posts. Thank you. ;^)

Even with reduced plan and higher deductibles 30% increase for us and rising. As a pensioner I'm getting close to budget limit.

I'm a pensioner and I don't pay 1 cent and yet I am covered .

If Obama had been able to bring in our Universal heath you would not be paying 1 cent

But hey your Constitution is sacred and you can't change it to allow our type of system.

He could not introduce our system because of the penalty's .

You don't pay private health then you will pay 1% more tax . The Medicare levy

pay into a private health fund and get 30% subsidy and you won't have to pay the extra 1% Medicare levy

And that is the only reason he could not introduce it as your constitution says your Government can't tell you what to do and the Medicare levy is doing exactly that telling you to pay into a private fund or pay extra tax

So stop whining about the cost you got what you deserved for being selfish and greedy

Glenn,

You not paying one cent means the taxpayers are paying for it instead. NOTHING in life is FREE.

In the USA, the Medicare Tax is a bit more than 1%, iirc, and it is payed by everyone with a job on gross earnings. The system is in financial trouble. Costs are spiraling out of control. Cost saving measures (reductions in pay to doctors and hospitals) initially passed by Congress keep getting blocked.

The Medicare system is virtually broke. Then, to add insult to injury, Obama raided what little money Medicare has left to the tune of US$ >700 Billion to help pay for Obamacare.

Obamacare is doing EXACTLY what it was designed to do... Torpedo the Health Care system in the USA into oblivion.

It doesn't matter which one (Trump or Clinton) gets elected president. Healthcare in the USA is imploding. Maybe if Johnson (L) gets elected (along with a L majority in Congress, something could be done to save it. Otherwise it is doomed.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Again, Glenn, you're talking out of your lower orifice.......

I'm a pensioner and I don't pay 1 cent and yet I am covered .

From the official Australian Government website........

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/1301.0~2012~Main%20Features~Health%20care%20delivery%20and%20financing~235

HOUSEHOLD EXPENDITURE ON HEALTH AND MEDICAL CARE

The Household Expenditure Survey (HES) provides estimates of expenditure on medical care and health by households across Australia. Expenditure is net of any refunds and rebates received from Medicare, private health insurance companies and employers.

According to the 2009–10 HES, households spent an average of $65.60 per week on medical care and health expenses. This was approximately 5% of an average household's expenditure on goods and services each week.

Major items contributing to overall household medical care and health expenditure were accident and health insurance (40%), health practitioners’ fees (29%), and medicines, pharmaceutical products and therapeutic appliances (27%). The remainder was mainly taken up by hospital and nursing home charges.

Health practitioners’ fees per household averaged $18.99 a week and were mainly for dental treatments (38%) and specialist doctors’ fees (33%). Fees for general practitioners accounted for 9% of all health practitioners’ fees, possibly reflecting the higher level of government subsidisation of GP services.

I too am a 'Pensioner' and for my healthcare I pay US $144 per month plus whatever co-pays and deductibles apply. So if you are paying nothing, then as Barrack and Hiliary say "You're not paying your fair share!"

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Darth...

Different Cultures, react differently.

The American Culture believes that to give Power to those who, for whatever Psychological Reason, believe they must Control (for their own good): The People. Must eventually destroy Individual Freedom.

In this particular point. We are correct.

However, the downside of this belief. Leads to many of our problems.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

The "effect" is that MY insurance rates are rising at a greater rate than would have been otherwise expected because of the types of patients newly insured

Well put, all of your posts. Thank you. ;^)

Even with reduced plan and higher deductibles 30% increase for us and rising. As a pensioner I'm getting close to budget limit.

I'm a pensioner and I don't pay 1 cent and yet I am covered .

If Obama had been able to bring in our Universal heath you would not be paying 1 cent

But hey your Constitution is sacred and you can't change it to allow our type of system.

He could not introduce our system because of the penalty's .

You don't pay private health then you will pay 1% more tax . The Medicare levy

pay into a private health fund and get 30% subsidy and you won't have to pay the extra 1% Medicare levy

And that is the only reason he could not introduce it as your constitution says your Government can't tell you what to do and the Medicare levy is doing exactly that telling you to pay into a private fund or pay extra tax

So stop whining about the cost you got what you deserved for being selfish and greedy

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The "effect" is that MY insurance rates are rising at a greater rate than would have been otherwise expected because of the types of patients newly insured.

Well put, all of your posts. Thank you. ;^)

Even with reduced plan and higher deductibles 30% increase for us and rising. As a pensioner I'm getting close to budget limit.

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The "effect" is that MY insurance rates are rising at a greater rate than would have been otherwise

Whenever Government gets involved in any human endeavor and starts mandating services and 'standards', much less guaranteeing payment, prices will rise because the skimmers and scammers and outright thieves soon infest the endeavor.

True for Healthcare, true for Government construction contracts, etc., etc., etc.. ad Nausea, ad Infinitum...........

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Won't the fact that nearly 70k more people have cover in New Hampshire than in 2013 have an effect?

The "effect" is that MY insurance rates are rising at a greater rate than would have been otherwise expected because of the types of patients newly insured. (untreated diabetics, COPD smokers, and people who didn't bother with healthcare are now in the que for "treatment" and I'm paying for it. (Universal Law #1. There is NO such thing as a free lunch.)
Total New Hampshire Residents - 1,304,282
Total New Hampshire uninsured residents - 10.37%
Total New Hampshire HMO enrollment - 148,360

The figure of 70k more covered does not consider an increase of risk. That needs to be tempered with Risk Adjustment just as the insurance industry uses to guarentee their own profitability.
Risk adjustment provides a relative measure for the difference in the illness burden of patients in the analysis and treated by the selected providers. Risk adjustment can be used to explain why the historical costs at one provider may exceed that at another provider. Risk adjustment considers more than the diagnoses for the visit of interest. Instead, all of the diagnoses throughout the period of the analysis are considered so that the effect of multiple comorbidities can be considered in evaluating how one patient population differs from another. Examples of the conditions checked for in a patient's history are: congestive heart failure, epilepsy, primary pulmonary hypertension, diabetes, and cancer. Patient populations that average more comorbidity or have the most severe forms of disease are expected to need greater health care resources than a less complex patient population.
Hence, adding this known risky population to the covered will eventually double insurance premiums. When insurers are not allowed to raise their rates in a specific state, they simply stop doing business in that state. I guess we are now seeing that as an "effect".
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Sorry that I hijacked this thread on why Hillary should be next President.
I just can't agree with that and healthcare policy is brushed aside as something that has been fixed. IT HAS NOT.

Won't the fact that nearly 70k more people have cover in New Hampshire than in 2013 have an effect?

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The fact of the matter is that there has been an unworkable mess created that has NO fix. Obamacare tried to remake a sector that constitutes one-eighth of the economy from the ground up. But it made a mess that nobody knows how to fix. My own insurance costs rose quite a bit, (despite assertions from my left-leaning PCP who told me that "Obamacare will make everything cheaper for you"), and they are still rising on a steeper curve this year.
Part of the problem was easy to predict: The mix of people enrolling is disproportionately weighted toward the sick and old rather than the young and healthy. Not enough of the latter are choosing to enroll—opting instead to pay an annul penalty that the law imposes on them. This riskier-than-expected patient pool is forcing insurers to raise premiums, which prices even more healthy people out of the market, which causes more hikes, unleashing a death spiral of adverse selection—exactly as many critics of the law had predicted would happen.
The Obama head-in-the-sand appologists glibly dismiss this as just a temporary setback. Their short sightedness is again applied to the issue when they chant "Wait, things will get better by themselves." Further, The left has more 'brilliant' ideas on how to overcome the adverse selection death spiral and create self-sustaining exchanges. One 'brilliant' suggestion is to embrace the Swiss model, which involves imposing very stiff penalties on insurance scofflaws and then enforcing them harshly by garnishing wages. The other idea is creating a public option or a non-profit government-run insurance plan that would compete with the private underwriters on the exchanges and bring down prices.
These ideas are draconian. They are also politically unfeasible—and ultimately self defeating. Raising the penalty won't happen without a bruising fight. Given that the Supreme Court ruled that the penalty was really a tax, any hike must be approved by Congress. That'll be an uphill task even if Democrats control one or both chambers. Good luck with that.
The public option, meanwhile, would have the added problem of not even working conceptually. Private insurers can't compete with an entity that has the power and backing of the almighty federal government behind it. So, they won't lower premiums they'll just quickly leave each state, leaving the public option as the only option.
This would basicily create a single-payer system—a government-run monopoly. And the only thing worse than a private monopoly is a state monopoly. Indeed, single-payer systems in countries like Canada and Denmark only stay afloat by dipping deeply into public coffers and/or rationing care—defeating their whole purpose. Even if the left tried, it'll be nigh impossible to pull this off in a debt-ridden country already careening toward a massive entitlement spending crisis.
My health insurance costs are going from outrageous to impossibly outrageous every year. My PCP (Primary Care Physician), seems undaunted in his support of Obamacare, even though his prediction of less cost for me remain untrue. It doesn't bother him much, he has a pretty chushy job working for a university hospital and it only affects him when he has to listen to the complaints from his patients, (the lesser class), who can't afford to retire because they cant afford insurance. That isn't a problem for him.

http://elections.ap.org/content/study-finds-20m-would-lose-health-coverage-under-trump-plan

WASHINGTON (AP) — A new study that examines some major health care proposals from the presidential candidates finds that Donald Trump would cause about 20 million to lose coverage while Hillary Clinton would provide coverage for an additional 9 million people.

The 2016 presidential campaign has brought voters to a crossroads on health care yet again. The U.S. uninsured rate stands at a historically low 8.6 percent, mainly because of President Barack Obama's health care law, which expanded government and private coverage. Yet it's uncertain if the nation's newest social program will survive the election.

Republican candidate Trump would repeal "Obamacare" and replace it with a new tax deduction, insurance market changes, and a Medicaid overhaul. Democrat Clinton would increase financial assistance for people with private insurance and expand government coverage as well.

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