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Cardassian Send message Joined: 22 Nov 05 Posts: 3 Credit: 537,329 RAC: 0 |
Sono molto triste (ed anche arrabbiato) dalla lettura di questa comunicazione relativa ad Arecibo, anche considerando quanto è il costo annuale per armi da guerra e altre cose. Spero Arecibo continuerà la sua operatività . Se un'altra petizione sarà proposta su questo, sarò felice di sottoscriverla. I'm very sad (and angry too) by reading this notice concerning Arecibo, even considering how much is the annual cost for military weapons and other stuff. I hope Arecibo will continue its operativity. If another petition will be proposed on this, I will happy of subscribe it. |
HAL9000 Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57 |
Arecibo is what in Carso (Karst) highland is called a dolina. It cannot be dismantled. Also the China FAST is in a dolina. I'm sure we could blow the whole area well below sea level if needed. I mean have you seen our military spending? I'd like to see the Arecibo Observatory stay funded & running, but on the other hand I hate already seeing 30% of my pay taken in taxes. SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ |
Mike Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34365 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 |
Signed. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
Eric Korpela Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1382 Credit: 54,506,847 RAC: 60 |
Lot's of things to reply to... First I want to make it clear that Breakthrough's effect on SETI@home wasn't due to anything malicious. As far as personnel go, Breakthrough wants experienced people, and SETI@home is where the experienced people are. It would be silly for those people not to go where the funding is. As far a funding goes, it's clear that SETI@home doesn't have a strong advocate with a direct line to Yuri Milner. I'm two or three levels away from the people who get to talk to Yuri about funding priorities, and the people in those intervening levels have their own ideas about what the funding priorities are. If they aren't excited about SETI@home, Yuri probably won't be either. Regarding non-Arecibo data sources, we're certainly working on that. In addition to definite plans for Parkes, we are considering FAST, MeerKAT and eventually SKA. I'd also like to build a tap from SERENDIP VI at Arecibo so we can record the data from every receiver (and when SERENDIP VI instruments are installed at other telescopes data becomes available more easily). It would be nice to get 327 MHz data from Arecibo before it gets shut down. Each new data source has a cost attached to it, which we estimate at about ~$200k annually per data source. Unfortunately radio telescopes aren't as simple as plug and go, each one has a different way of communicating observing parameters, each one has different ways of setting or calculating the observing frequencies. @SETIEric@qoto.org (Mastodon) |
tbret Send message Joined: 28 May 99 Posts: 3380 Credit: 296,162,071 RAC: 40 |
Thank you for your reply, Eric. I've read the lines you have written and a little between them, too. One thing I am personally interested to know is how it came to be that we have data from the GUPPI instrument. PUPPI has been in operation a fair amount of time and I would *think* that if Einstein@Home is willing to share GUPPI and the ATLAS cluster, they might be willing to ship a bunch of PUPPI data, also. (I think the GUPPI data is probably the better data-set, and Parkes will be even better, but I'm just thinking if Arecibo is shut down we still might have a source of data as yet un-crunched from it.) ...I should have been born a multi-billionaire.... <sigh> $200k / source is just a little beyond my budget. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13842 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
$200k / source is just a little beyond my budget. Plus the money to keep the people (such as Eric) going, and their hardware. Grant Darwin NT |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Kitties need to win the lottery. Or a really hot game of craps. And not of the litterbox sort. Meow. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13131 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
I'm Embarrassed Every Time I See Arecibo on TV show or Movie. I've been to Arecibo. It is a beautiful place. There are wild orchids growing under that dish! Yes the facility was built decades ago and she is showing her age, but she still works. |
celttooth Send message Joined: 21 Nov 99 Posts: 26503 Credit: 28,583,098 RAC: 0 |
Just for a bit of understanding, does anyone know how important the Arecibo dish is to spotting big rocks that may hit the earth? |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
Maybe the NASA Near Earth Objects program should know this. It is managed by JPL. Tullio |
HAL9000 Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57 |
Just for a bit of understanding, does anyone know My understanding is that it was being used for that. At least at one point in time. However when being used to look for space rocks we don't get data for SETI@home. SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ |
Katherine Send message Joined: 7 Nov 99 Posts: 2 Credit: 1,006,661 RAC: 1 |
Thank you for the heads up on this potential problem. I signed and placed on my facebook page with a request to sign. What else can I do? |
Mentor397 Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 25 Credit: 6,794,344 RAC: 108 |
I'm not sure how much it will help, but I wrote an editorial for the local paper on this. Good luck. http://www.beloitdailynews.com/opinion/petition-to-keep-science-funding/article_f4c66116-3307-11e6-836f-cf113375eb6c.html |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11413 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
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Gary Conway Send message Joined: 4 Aug 99 Posts: 1 Credit: 7,804,158 RAC: 14 |
I have been with SETI@Home since virtually the beginning... I believe in this project.. when it comes to funding, this is a very small budget item and if we the people can waste money on ridiculous studies (of which there are many), perhaps a change in the political climate in DC is the ultimate solution here, we shall see. |
Pablo Bolanos-Villegas Send message Joined: 3 Jan 16 Posts: 2 Credit: 1,210,743 RAC: 0 |
I signed it already! |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11413 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
To get a green star a 10$ once a year is all that is required although 10$ a month is 12 times better. |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9958 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Re: Funding. As I have said many times you can turn off your green star. As I do for that very reason. So it is not and should not be used as an indicator as to whether a person has donated. Also we all donate money when we crunch. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3803 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
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Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13842 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
Even then a star does not say how much you donated, it could be $10 or 100 times that. The rate of spin directly proportional to the magnitude of the donation? Grant Darwin NT |
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