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Message 1797013 - Posted: 18 Jun 2016, 4:51:13 UTC - in response to Message 1797005.  

Yeah, I've don't use the -use_sleep command due to that reason but you have to make sure that you have enough CPU Cores for each work unit plus 1-2 more for the OS, so you can't do 8 work units on an 8 core.

Otherwise the system will lock up and force a manual reboot.

However for people that see too much CPU usage and lag, the -use_sleep is a good commandline for them to free up CPU cores.

Yes, I commented about the Red Kernal usage when a while back but it doesn't harm the computer.

Your times look pretty close to what mine are doing.
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Message 1797029 - Posted: 18 Jun 2016, 5:19:01 UTC - in response to Message 1797013.  

I've only been doing 4 GPU tasks at a time on each computer for quite a while now. Ever since Mike convinced me that for AMD FX processors it is best to only use 4 cores to crunch CPU tasks with because of its unique sharing of a floating point processor in each module. So that enabled the 4 "spare" cores to support GPU task crunching along with system upkeep. Haven't really seen any impact to CPU task completion so far which I thought I would because their really isn't much spare CPU cycles anymore. Need to keep monitoring things. So good, so far.
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Message 1797344 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 10:16:48 UTC - in response to Message 1796828.  

[quote][edit] a pity it didn't work though.

Use
button and Copy/Paste the following line to Notepad:
->               <- space (nbsp)

Then use (Copy/Paste from Notepad in future) the "spaces" that are between the arrows.

P.S.
- Do not Copy the above line from the page, Copy from the typing box after [Quote] button.
- Use [Preview] button before post to see if "it did work"

Alt+255 (and similar) exist since MS-DOS times.

"Your spaces" look like normal spaces (Hex: 20 20 20 ...) and "My spaces" look like A0 A0 A0 ...:
20 20 20 20 20 20 54 68 69 73 20 69 73 20 73 6F 20 6D 75 63 68 20 62 65 74 74 65 72 :      This is so much better
2D 3E A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 3C 2D                            : ->               <-


-> <-

-> <-

. . Even when I copy your spaces, both directly and via a notepad file, once I paste them into a message they end up disappearing when it is posted so I am guessing that Hex character 'A0' is not supported in the character set loaded on this machine. Or there is something that changes them to Hex character '20'.

. . Thanks for trying to help.
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Message 1797345 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 10:19:28 UTC - in response to Message 1796976.  

[quote][edit] a pity it didn't work though.

Use
button and Copy/Paste the following line to Notepad:
->               <- space (nbsp)

Then use (Copy/Paste from Notepad in future) the "spaces" that are between the arrows.

P.S.
- Do not Copy the above line from the page, Copy from the typing box after [Quote] button.
- Use [Preview] button before post to see if "it did work"

Alt+255 (and similar) exist since MS-DOS times.

"Your spaces" look like normal spaces (Hex: 20 20 20 ...) and "My spaces" look like A0 A0 A0 ...:
20 20 20 20 20 20 54 68 69 73 20 69 73 20 73 6F 20 6D 75 63 68 20 62 65 74 74 65 72 :      This is so much better
2D 3E A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 3C 2D                            : ->               <-

  test
^
worked for me ...
though I've found the pre /pre functions to be more useful ...



. . I guess I need to learn to use that.
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Message 1797614 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 21:18:31 UTC - in response to Message 1797344.  

Use [Quote] button and Copy/Paste the following line to Notepad:
->               <- space (nbsp)

-> <-
-> <-
. . Even when I copy your spaces, both directly and via a notepad file, once I paste them into a message they end up disappearing when it is posted so I am guessing that Hex character 'A0' is not supported in the character set loaded on this machine. Or there is something that changes them to Hex character '20'.

. . Thanks for trying to help.

You Quoted my line (above) and it is OK
This is "copy directly" from the typing box, Not from the page:
->               <- space (nbsp)

So nothing changes them in the browser.

Alt+255 works in any program, e.g. while typing in Notepad. Try it.
Save the .txt (as ANSI) and open in Hex Editor - what do you see?
https://mh-nexus.de/en/hxd/
 


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Message 1797618 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 21:44:52 UTC - in response to Message 1791791.  

this installer is designed to preserve your downloaded tasks and pick up where your previous application left off. That includes when switching between CUDA and SoG, in either direction.

"The installer is designed to preserve" but users are not ;)

One user 'aborted the Cuda WUs that were "Ready to start"' after installing SoG app by this installer.
He didn't understand that what is shown in BOINC Manager (tasks marked as CUDA) is not the reality.

He wants/advices for "at least inform the user at the end of the Lunatics setup" about this "quirk":
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=79766&postid=1797177#1797177
 


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Message 1797622 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 21:50:01 UTC - in response to Message 1797618.  

this installer is designed to preserve your downloaded tasks and pick up where your previous application left off. That includes when switching between CUDA and SoG, in either direction.

"The installer is designed to preserve" but users are not ;)

Yes, I've been looking for ways of installing intelligence (or even basic literacy) into users for some time. So far, without success.

I'm just back from my local beer supplier, so unwise to address the issue tonight. I'll try to find some words of one syllable in the morning. It is a Beta, after all.
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Message 1797626 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 22:07:43 UTC

One thing I would like to see in the installer, if this is possible, preserving the "count" in the app info file, I have to manually go back in after updating Lunatics and find "count>1" and replace with "count>0.33", minus the " marks of course. And/or some way to set the count in the installer.
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Message 1797631 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 22:24:18 UTC - in response to Message 1797626.  

One thing I would like to see in the installer, if this is possible, preserving the "count" in the app info file, I have to manually go back in after updating Lunatics and find "count>1" and replace with "count>0.33", minus the " marks of course.

I recognise that's an issue, but with "Replace all" available in Notepad and upgraded replacements like Notepad++, it doesn't tale long to do it safely.

But I have for some time been advocating that people switch to the alternative app_config.xml file (see Application configuration): <gpu_usage> performs exactly the same function as <count>. The installer (by design) leaves any app_config.xml file untouched during installation.

And/or some way to set the count in the installer.

That would be nice, I agree - but it would be complicated using the current technology. I fear I will probably have to leave that to the next generation of installer writers.
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Message 1797641 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 22:46:09 UTC - in response to Message 1797618.  

One user 'aborted the Cuda WUs that were "Ready to start"' after installing SoG app by this installer.
He didn't understand that what is shown in BOINC Manager (tasks marked as CUDA) is not the reality.

He wants/advices for "at least inform the user at the end of the Lunatics setup" about this "quirk":
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=79766&postid=1797177#1797177


How about "In the Application column current work will retain it's existing application naming, but will be crunched by the new application (use Task Manager to see what is actually running). Any new work downloaded will have the new applications' naming."
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Message 1797642 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 22:46:10 UTC - in response to Message 1797614.  

Use [Quote] button and Copy/Paste the following line to Notepad:
->               <- space (nbsp)

-> <-
-> <-
. . Even when I copy your spaces, both directly and via a notepad file, once I paste them into a message they end up disappearing when it is posted so I am guessing that Hex character 'A0' is not supported in the character set loaded on this machine. Or there is something that changes them to Hex character '20'.

. . Thanks for trying to help.

You Quoted my line (above) and it is OK
This is "copy directly" from the typing box, Not from the page:
->               <- space (nbsp)

So nothing changes them in the browser.

Alt+255 works in any program, e.g. while typing in Notepad. Try it.
Save the .txt (as ANSI) and open in Hex Editor - what do you see?
https://mh-nexus.de/en/hxd/



. . When quoted by the messaging software they remain intact, but once I cut and paste them they change. I have downloaded the hex editor and I will have a look. Thanks again.
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Message 1797644 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 22:55:02 UTC - in response to Message 1797631.  

I fear I will probably have to leave that to the next generation of installer writers.

You may just put an "example" app_config.xml file in docs\ in a hope that people even look in docs\
(and maybe ReadMe_app_config.txt to say some short info where to copy it and what to edit in it?)
 


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Message 1797646 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 23:03:48 UTC - in response to Message 1797642.  
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I have downloaded the hex editor

I hope you did NOT used download.cnet.com !

Use the FTP download link:
ftp://wa651f4:anonymous@mh-nexus.de/HxDSetupEN.zip

I prefer 'portable' (no install):
ftp://wa651f4:anonymous@mh-nexus.de/HxDen.zip
 
 


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Message 1797743 - Posted: 21 Jun 2016, 9:29:51 UTC - in response to Message 1797646.  

I have downloaded the hex editor

I hope you did NOT used download.cnet.com !

Use the FTP download link:
ftp://wa651f4:anonymous@mh-nexus.de/HxDSetupEN.zip

I prefer 'portable' (no install):
ftp://wa651f4:anonymous@mh-nexus.de/HxDen.zip
 


. . Sadly I did, it was the top option.

. . Should I try one of these two then?
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Message 1797776 - Posted: 21 Jun 2016, 14:52:09 UTC - in response to Message 1797743.  

OK, I checked and THIS TIME the CNET Download is clean (identical file to HxDSetupEN.zip from the FTP download link)

But CNET is source of adware ("infects" browser) which THEY put "around" many of the free files, see user comments:
https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/download.cnet.com

You should have one of these files:
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/ea6ea4d4cc90f891915856b0393f99f275c0b6bb2a9e75a6b262117a18a2a469/analysis/
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/ec8ab9522eefd2db19a18203e4195430a12c0c9e49b1e15cf195cee385da0d0c/analysis/

Look in "Additional information" for MD5 and File size.
Or just send your file for scan:
https://www.virustotal.com/en/
 


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Message 1797801 - Posted: 21 Jun 2016, 22:54:06 UTC - in response to Message 1797776.  

OK, I checked and THIS TIME the CNET Download is clean (identical file to HxDSetupEN.zip from the FTP download link)

You should have one of these files:
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/ea6ea4d4cc90f891915856b0393f99f275c0b6bb2a9e75a6b262117a18a2a469/analysis/
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/ec8ab9522eefd2db19a18203e4195430a12c0c9e49b1e15cf195cee385da0d0c/analysis/

Look in "Additional information" for MD5 and File size.
Or just send your file for scan:
https://www.virustotal.com/en/


. . I will follow that up.
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Message 1806481 - Posted: 1 Aug 2016, 23:04:28 UTC

Can someone please provide a link for Lunatics v0.45 beta 3 other than the one on the first post ?
Dunno why, but it seems I can't download it : after 15 minutes it is stuck @ < 1 Mbyte and when it finish, but it is damaged ( probably self-aborted ).
Tried this on three different servers, no joy, and speedtest gives me a solid 7 MB/s.. :-(

Thank you

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Message 1806552 - Posted: 2 Aug 2016, 5:05:41 UTC - in response to Message 1806481.  

Can someone please provide a link for Lunatics v0.45 beta 3 other than the one on the first post ?
Dunno why, but it seems I can't download it : after 15 minutes it is stuck @ < 1 Mbyte and when it finish, but it is damaged ( probably self-aborted ).
Tried this on three different servers, no joy, and speedtest gives me a solid 7 MB/s.. :-(

Thank you

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. . I think the earliest version has been removed, (or so I thought anyway). The Newest version of the Beta is version 3 so look for a link to 0.45 Beta(3)

. . I cannot remember how far back that posting would be.
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Message 1806553 - Posted: 2 Aug 2016, 5:16:08 UTC

The link in Richard's first post is to his OneDrive folder for the current version of the 0.45 installer, (Beta3 just now) and is works. There are two files there, one for the 32-bit installer and one for the 64-bit installer.
The 64-bit version is 20.945kb long, is a "proper" executable file, so runs as it is (or at least starts without fault). All I can suggest it that something got in the way of your download and damaged it, two things come to mind, either an over-frisky AV program or a temporary glitch with your isp.
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Message 1806592 - Posted: 2 Aug 2016, 9:03:10 UTC - in response to Message 1806553.  
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The link in Richard's first post is to his OneDrive folder for the current version of the 0.45 installer, (Beta3 just now) and is works. There are two files there, one for the 32-bit installer and one for the 64-bit installer.
The 64-bit version is 20.945kb long, is a "proper" executable file, so runs as it is (or at least starts without fault). All I can suggest it that something got in the way of your download and damaged it, two things come to mind, either an over-frisky AV program or a temporary glitch with your isp.


Hi Rob, the three hosts @home had no antivirus installed, so I thought that some ISP glitch was preventing the download, as you suggested.
However, this morning I have tried that with my pc @work, which is connected to a proxy server in the U.K. ( totally different ISP ) and got the same result... : three self-aborted download @2, 7 and 9.5 Mb ( Installer integrity check )

So, again..please someone can provide an alternative link ?

Thank you in advance..

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